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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 10:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Puzzle regulars already know that I think "Every cloud has a silver lining" is just a nasty slogan to intimidate disaster victims out of complaining. But there's one misfortune that many victims, quite reasonably, end up considering a blessing in disguise. How come??
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 10:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this relate to a disaster? a natural disaster? human error?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 7:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Sam Greene (Pandora) on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 10:36 pm:


Does this relate to a disaster? no a natural disaster? no human error? no
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 9:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anything medical? Something showing up in routine tests which can now be treated but would otherwise have gone unheeded until too late?
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 10:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do they consider it a blessing because they gain financially? gain in health terms? gain in spiritual terms? do they feel that those they love gain in some way? do they gain a greater appreciation for life?

or is the blessing an absence of something else bad happening? to them? to someone else?

the misfortune - is something done to them by the actions of another person? are they the victim of a crime? an illness?
does the misfortune concern employment? education? health? money?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Lynne (Lynne) on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 09:11 pm:


Anything medical? yes Something showing up in routine tests which can now be treated but would
otherwise have gone unheeded until too late? no

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 10:21 pm:


do they consider it a blessing because they gain financially? no gain in health terms? no gain in
spiritual terms? yesish do they feel that those they love gain in some way? yesish do they gain a greater
appreciation for life?yope

or is the blessing an absence of something else bad happening? no to them? to someone else?

the misfortune - is something done to them by the actions of another person? no are they the
victim of a crime? no an illnes noish
does the misfortune concern employment? no education? no health? yope money? no
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 6:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the misfortune concern drugs? pregnancy?
Would someone be likely to consider it a blessing for someone else that it happened to? or only if it happened to oneself?
Would they consider it a "blessing" in any religious sense? or just generally a good thing?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 6:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 06:36 pm:


Does the misfortune concern drugs?no pregnancy? yes
Would someone be likely to consider it a blessing for someone else that it happened to? possibly or
only if it happened to oneself see previous answer
Would they consider it a "blessing" in any religious sense? They would if they were religious or just generally a good thing? If they weren't religious
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 9:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the misfortune: to be infertile? to have a miscarriage? to lose a baby? to have a termination? to have an unwanted pregnancy?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 9:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Unexpected multiple birth?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 9:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 09:16 pm:


the misfortune: to be infertile? yes to have a miscarriage? noto lose a baby? no to have a termination? no
to have an unwanted pregnancy? no

By Lynne (Lynne) on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 09:30 pm:


Unexpected multiple birth? no
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 11:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Not having to worry about contraception considerations? Either medical or religious constraints?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 8:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 11:29 pm:


Not having to worry about contraception considerations? no Either medical or religious
constraints? no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 9:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the blessing anything to do with adoption?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 10:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 09:33 pm:


Is the blessing anything to do with adoption?possibly
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 10:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so some people believe that their infertility is a blessin? are these people who have managed to get a child by other means? is the blessing to do with that child?

is the blessing that something good happens to them that otherwise would not have happened? or that something good happens to a child that otherwise would not have happened?
or that something bad fails to happen to them? or that something bad fails to happen to the child they might have had (if that makes sense)?

for the victim to feel this blessing is it necessary that something else happen to them as well as the infertility? for instance, someone who has been told they are dying might feel it is a blessing that they had no children to leave behind motherless (or fatherless)- anything like that?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 7:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 10:54 pm:


so some people believe that their infertility is a blessin? yes are these people who have managed
to get a child by other means? yes is the blessing to do with that child?yes

is the blessing that something good happens to them that otherwise would not have
happened? yes or that something good happens to a child that otherwise would not have
happened? no
or that something bad fails to happen to them? no or that something bad fails to happen to the
child they might have had (if that makes sense)? no

for the victim to feel this blessing is it necessary that something else happen to them as well
as the infertility? yes for instance, someone who has been told they are dying might feel it is a
blessing that they had no children to leave behind motherless (or fatherless)- anything like
that?I should hope not, Is being an orphan worse than non-existence? I've never met an orphan who thought so, even if he missed his parent very much
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 9:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so someone who is infertile so adopts a child might feel that they have gained a blessing in some way? some kind of benefit that they would not have gained by having their own natural child?

is the blessing:
that they have made a very conscious decision to have a child so are more sure that they want one? that they are somehow not adding to the world's population problem?

is the size of their family relevant?

are genetics relevant? might they feel for some reason that they are glad their child doesn't have their genes? are these people those who discover they have an inheritable disease? and are therefore glad that their children don't necessarily carry the same disease? or do they have some sort of genetically determined attribute which they consider to be negative?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 10:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 09:06 pm:


so someone who is infertile so adopts a child might feel that they have gained a blessing in
some way? yes some kind of benefit that they would not have gained by having their own natural
child? yes

is the blessing:
that they have made a very conscious decision to have a child so are more sure that they
want one? no that they are somehow not adding to the world's population problem? no

is the size of their family relevant? no

are genetics relevant? nomight they feel for some reason that they are glad their child doesn't
have their genes? noare these people those who discover they have an inheritable disease?irrel and
are therefore glad that their children don't necessarily carry the same disease? no or do they
have some sort of genetically determined attribute which they consider to be negative? irrel
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 8:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are cross cultural adoptions relevant here? Adopting from a third world country and learning so much more as a result?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 8:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 08:23 am:


Are cross cultural adoptions relevant here? no Adopting from a third world country and learning so
much more as a result? no
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 9:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

earlier I asked..
"for the victim to feel this blessing is it necessary that something else happen to them as well
as the infertility? yes"

this other thing - is it something unpleasant? unasked for? something pleasant? something linked to infertility? another health problem? something to do with their finances? their romantic relationship? the place they live?

is it relevant which country they live in? would some countries not work?

is it relevant how old they are?

is it relevant whether they ever have any natural children? is the blessing that, as sometimes happens, they have a natural child after adopting one?

are there some people in this situation who do not consider this factor to be a blessing?