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Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 1:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man took a needle into a place of business in order to save himself some money. How?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 2:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sewing needle? knitting needle? hypodermic needle?
Was he an employee? customer? thief?
Was the place of business a bank? a pharmacy? anything to do with clothing?
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 5:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he piercing something
did he normally take a needle there ?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 9:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it his place of business? Someone other's?

Did the needle have something to do with the business activities usual at this place?

Was what he did legal?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 7:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sewing needle? this one, although it doesn't really matter, as long as it was somewhat needle-ish...a safety pin would have done, really. knitting needle? hypodermic needle?
Was he an employee? customer? this thief?
Was the place of business a bank? a pharmacy? anything to do with clothing? none of these

was he piercing something? yes
did he normally take a needle there ? Irrelevant. If he had done it regularly, he would have saved money regularly.

Was it his place of business? no
Someone other's? yes

Did the needle have something to do with the business activities usual at this place? If by this you mean was it normal to bring a needle to this place, then no.

Was what he did legal? yes
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 2:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Place of business = a shop? a car dealership? An office? A place of entertainment? a place of leisure? a pub? a nightclub?

Did he pierce something to redcue an item in monetary value and was therefore offered a discount if he bought it? Was he asked to pierce something? by someone who worked at the place of business?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 5:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Place of business = a shop? a car dealership? An office? A place of entertainment? a place of leisure? a pub? a nightclub? none of these

Did he pierce something to redcue an item in monetary value and was therefore offered a discount if he bought it? no
Was he asked to pierce something? no
by someone who worked at the place of business? no
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 6:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The thing that he pierced: was it a product for sale? a fixture in the place? something he brought with him? something organic? alive?
Did he bring the needle in his hand? in his pocket? in a bag? in another container? was it already piercing something when he brought it in?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 6:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The thing that he pierced: was it a product for sale? no
a fixture in the place? no
something he brought with him? no
something organic? alive? no to both
Did he bring the needle in his hand? in his pocket? in a bag? in another container? irrelevant
was it already piercing something when he brought it in? not necessarily
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 6:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he there to buy a product? avail of a service? did he pay less than he would have otherwise? or did he get more value for the same price? did he pay at all?
Did he pierce something with the needle? before entering the place? on his way in? while inside? on his way out? after leaving?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 4:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he there to buy a product? yes
avail of a service? no-ish
did he pay less than he would have otherwise? yes
or did he get more value for the same price? no
did he pay at all? he did
Did he pierce something with the needle? yes
before entering the place? no
on his way in? no
while inside? yes
on his way out? no
after leaving? no
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 5:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he pierce the thing in order to let something in? or out? air? another gas? water? another liquid? light? or was it to hold something in place? mark the position of something?
The thing that he pierced was already in the place, but it wasn't a fixture or a product for sale? was it a display model? something belonging to another customer? something belonging to the owner of the place? money?
Was there anyone else there at the time? employee(s)? other customer(s)? others? did they see the needle? did they see him pierce the thing? did they see that it had been pierced? did they realize that he had pierced it? did they understand why?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 7:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he pierce the thing in order to let something in? yes
or out? no
air? yes
another gas? water? another liquid? light? or was it to hold something in place? mark the position of something? no to rest
The thing that he pierced was already in the place, but it wasn't a fixture or a product for sale? correct
was it a display model? something belonging to another customer? something belonging to the owner of the place? money? no to all of these
Was there anyone else there at the time? employee(s)? other customer(s)? others? did they see the needle? did they see him pierce the thing? did they see that it had been pierced? did they realize that he had pierced it? did they understand why? and all of these are irrelevant
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 9:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

CORRECTION

The place IS more or less a place of leisure...I think I accidentally skipped over that question.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 9:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The thing he was there to buy: did he buy it? did he take it with him when he left?
The thing he pierced: did it have a (partial) vacuum inside it? or did he (or someone else) force air into it?
Who owned the thing he pierced: himself? an employee of the place? the government? someone else entirely? more than one person? nobody at all? did it change hands?
Without the needle, would he have spent: less than $10? $100? $1000?
By using the needle, did he save: less than 5%? 10%? 20%? 50%?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 9:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The thing he was there to buy: did he buy it? yes
did he take it with him when he left? um...yes, in a sense
The thing he pierced: did it have a (partial) vacuum inside it? not yet
or did he (or someone else) force air into it? yes, but that may be kind of misleading
Who owned the thing he pierced: himself? at the time when he pierced it, he did...
an employee of the place? the government? someone else entirely? more than one person? nobody at all? did it change hands? before he had come in the store, the place of business owned it
Without the needle, would he have spent: less than $10? less than ten, yes
$100? $1000?
By using the needle, did he save: less than 5%? 10%? maybe about this 20%? 50%?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 10:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the thing he bought some kind of food? or drink? did he eat/drink it while in the place?
The thing he pierced: did it have an inside and an outside in the usual sense?
Did he? or someone else? force air into it: while in the place of business? other than by using the needle to create a hole through which an already-existing pressure difference would force air into it?
did he take it with him when he left?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 10:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the thing he bought some kind of food? this too, but...
or drink? YES
did he eat/drink it while in the place? yes
The thing he pierced: did it have an inside and an outside in the usual sense? pretty much
Did he? yes
or someone else? no
force air into it: while in the place of business? yes
other than by using the needle to create a hole through which an already-existing pressure difference would force air into it? he used a different means
did he take it with him when he left? no
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 10:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The drink: milk? alcohol? fruit juice? soup? relevant exactly what it is?
The thing he pierced: something that was given to him with the drink? which he would discard after drinking it? a disposable cup?
Did he spend any money other than on the drink? or would he have, without the needle?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 10:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The drink: milk? alcohol? fruit juice? soup? relevant exactly what it is? no not really relevant
The thing he pierced: something that was given to him with the drink? yes
which he would discard after drinking it? yes
a disposable cup? no
Did he spend any money other than on the drink? maybe on food, but that's it
or would he have, without the needle? yes, he would probably have spent money on something else
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 10:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the temperature of the drink relevant? if so, was it hot? or cold?
Did he force air into the thing: through the hole created by the needle? by blowing?
Was the thing in contact with the drink at the time he forced air into it? was it in contact with the cup?
Did he pierce the item: before ordering the drink? before starting to drink? while drinking? after drinking? before paying? while paying? after paying?
Did he force air into it: before ordering the drink? before starting to drink? while drinking? after drinking? before paying? while paying? after paying? after piercing the item?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 10:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the temperature of the drink relevant? if so, was it hot? or cold? not relevant
Did he force air into the thing: through the hole created by the needle? no, actually
by blowing? very much no
Was the thing in contact with the drink at the time he forced air into it? yes
was it in contact with the cup? not necessarily
Did he pierce the item: before ordering the drink? no
before starting to drink? yes
while drinking? no
after drinking? no
before paying? yes while paying? no after paying? no
Did he force air into it: before ordering the drink? no
before starting to drink? no
while drinking? yes
after drinking? no
before paying? yes
while paying? after paying? no to these after piercing the item? yes

so to recap all of these tense questions: He received his drink, pierced the item that came with the drink, forced air into the item, which was in the drink, while drinking, and payed later.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 11:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he force air into it through an already existing hole, by sucking air (or drink) through the hole he had just created?
Was it a straw?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 11:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he force air into it through an already existing hole, by sucking air (or drink) through the hole he had just created? yes
Was it a straw? YES
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 11:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So he uses a needle to pierce a hole in a straw, sucks air? or drink? or both? through the hole, and causes air to be sucked into the straw, and thereby avoids spending money on something else?
Was it actually a straw to begin with? or did he make it into a straw by making the extra hole? and thereby avoid paying for an actual straw?!?
Was the place a restaurant?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 11:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So he uses a needle to pierce a hole in a straw, sucks air? or drink? or both? yes, both
through the hole, and causes air to be sucked into the straw, and thereby avoids spending money on something else? yes
Was it actually a straw to begin with? yes
or did he make it into a straw by making the extra hole? no
and thereby avoid paying for an actual straw?!? fortunately, this place did not charge for straws
Was the place a restaurant? yes
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 12:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The other thing he would have had to spend money on: was it a product? a service? would most of the restaurant's customers have to pay for the same thing?
Is he trying to avoid giving a tip?
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 10:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he trying not to buy alocohol ?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 8:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The other thing he would have had to spend money on: was it a product? yes
a service? no
would most of the restaurant's customers have to pay for the same thing? not necessarily, but some might
Is he trying to avoid giving a tip? no
was he trying not to buy alocohol? not necessarily alchohol, but yes, he was trying to avoid buying more drink.

Now just figure out exactly how puncturing the straw helped him to avoid buying more drink.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 9:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he trying to make the drink last longer? make himself less thirsty? or was he trying to avoid buying a drink for someone else?
Is it relevant what food he was eating?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 9:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he trying to make the drink last longer? yes

********SPOILER*********

The man went to a restaurant that didn't offer free refills and ordered a drink with his meal. He always had a habit of absent-mindedly drinking his drinks too fast, and they would never last him through much of the meal; he would always get thirsty and order another one. So the man brought a needle into the restaurant and punctured a hole in the straw that came with the drink. Thus, it was more difficult to get a big mouthful of drink through the straw because of the air that leaked in, and so it allowed him to slow his drinking speed and helped the drink to last through the whole meal.


Kind of an odd thing to do, I know, but I actually did this once, not with a needle, but with a knife, and it did really make the drink last longer.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 10:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Interesting idea. I always drink too fast myself, maybe I should try this. Nice puzzle

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