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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 9:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 09:35 pm:


earlier I asked..
"for the victim to feel this blessing is it necessary that something else happen to them as well

as the infertility? yes"

this other thing - is it something unpleasant? no unasked for? no something pleasant? yes something
linked to infertility? yes another health problem? no something to do with their finances? no their
romantic relationship? yope the place they live? no

is it relevant which country they live in? no would some countries not work? no

is it relevant how old they are? yesish

is it relevant whether they ever have any natural children? no is the blessing that, as sometimes
happens, they have a natural child after adopting one? no

are there some people in this situation who do not consider this factor to be a blessing? yes
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 9:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the blessing tha their relationship has been strengthened by going through the adversity of infertility together?

could this blessing be acquired by having other adverse life events happen to a couple (rather than infertility)?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 10:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 09:56 pm:


is the blessing tha their relationship has been strengthened by going through the adversity of
infertility together? Nooooooooooooo. You should know me better than that.:(:(:(:( I said this was an attitrude many victims had quite reasonably. I sure hope I'vegotten it across that I'm not an endorser of the "growth through adversity" line!!!!!

could this blessing be acquired by having other adverse life events happen to a couple (rather
than infertility)? yes
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 7:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

sorry - got carried away - I'm running out of ideas...

is the strength of their relationship relevant? is the blessing that this is stronger? is the blessing that they have stayed together?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 8:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 07:38 pm:


sorry - got carried away - I'm running out of ideas... :O:O:O:O!!!!!~~~

is the strength of their relationship relevant? no is the blessing that this is stronger? no is the
blessing that they have stayed together? no
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 3:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Age of the child when adopted relevant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 9:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 03:55 am:


Age of the child when adopted relevant? no
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would this benefit also occur if the couple were gay, also meaning that they'd have to adopt?

Is the race? colour? gender? of the infertile person relevant? Of the adopted child? Of the infertile person's partner?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ed Mason (Logician) on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:02 pm:


Would this benefit also occur if the couple were gay, also meaning that they'd have to adopt? yes

Is the race? no colour? no gender? no of the infertile person relevant? no Of the adopted child? no Of the
infertile person's partner? no
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 3:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the blessing to do with the child's experiences as an adopted child? The parent's experiences in having adopted someone?

For both questions, replace 'experiences' with 'something they didn't experience'.
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 3:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the child's biological parents' relevant? The 'home' that the adopted child left behind?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 8:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant that a couple can adopt a child when they are too old to have one naturally (even if they had been fertile)? So that they do not feel pressured to establish their careers and form a stable relationship by their early to mid thirties?
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 3:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the health of the child / parents relevant ?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 9:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ed Mason (Logician) on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 03:15 pm:


Is the blessing to do with the child's experiences as an adopted child? yesish The parent's
experiences in having adopted someone? yes

For both questions, replace 'experiences' with 'something they didn't experience'. no

By Ed Mason (Logician) on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 03:16 pm:


Are the child's biological parents' relevant? no The 'home' that the adopted child left behind? no

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 08:02 pm:


Is it relevant that a couple can adopt a child when they are too old to have one naturally
(even if they had been fertile)? no So that they do not feel pressured to establish their careers
and form a stable relationship by their early to mid thirties no
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 9:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Kapil Kapur (Dinkie) on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 03:50 pm:


is the health of the child / parents relevant ? no
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 12:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do the parents' relevant experiences relate to their outlook on life?

Do these experiences happen when the child is a certain age? Choice of schools? Parents' evenings?

Do these experiences relate to other people's positive? negative? neutral? inquisitive? reactions to discovering that they have adopted?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 12:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ed Mason (Logician) on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 12:22 am:


Do the parents' relevant experiences relate to their outlook on life? yesish

Do these experiences happen when the child is a certain age? no particular age Choice of schools? irrel Parents'
evenings? relevant

Do these experiences relate to other people's positive? negative? neutral? inquisitive?
reactions to discovering that they have adopted? no to all
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 7:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the blessing also affect people who can get biological children but choose to adopt instead? or to have one biological child and one adopted?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 4:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant that, by adopting, the mother's body doesn't have to temporarily adapt to fit the baby?

Is it relevant that it's (supposed to be) easier to adopt than to have a biological baby?

Is it relevant that you can ethically choose factors about an adopted child, whilst to try and choose factors of a biological child is much more frowned upon?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 6:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Birgitta Ericsson (Brid) on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 07:27 am:


Would the blessing also affect people who can get biological children but choose to adopt
instead? yes or to have one biological child and one adopted? yes

By Ed Mason (Logician) on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 04:46 pm:


Is it relevant that, by adopting, the mother's body doesn't have to temporarily adapt to fit the
baby? no

Is it relevant that it's (supposed to be) easier to adopt than to have a biological baby? no

Is it relevant that you can ethically choose factors about an adopted child, whilst to try and
choose factors of a biological child is much more frowned upon? no
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 12:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Something the parents would experience once? several times? regularly? continuously over an extended period?
Is anyone else relevant other than the parents and child?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 12:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y John Morahan (Wunderland) on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 12:13 am:


Something the parents would experience once? see next answer several times? ditto regularly? ditto continuously over an
extended period? yes
Is anyone else relevant other than the parents and child? no