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John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 4:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was this a performance? or a rehearsal?

Was it supposed to be his line? or someone else's? did he say it at the wrong time?

Is the Duke a character in the play?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 5:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Everyone who got angry: the rest of the cast? the audience? both? some other people?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was this a performance? no or a rehearsal? yes

Was it supposed to be his line? yes or someone else's? did he say it at the wrong time? no

Is the Duke a character in the play? probably

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 05:07 am:

Everyone who got angry: the rest of the cast? mainly them the audience? both? some other people? and possibly some technicans and other non-cast theater personnel
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 9:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he say exactly the same sentence as written on the original script of the theater play? Or was it slightly different?
Did one particular word of the sentence make people angry? Or the whole sentence?
Or did people get angry because of the precise moment he said the sentence?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 4:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he messing about during rehearsal, and the rest of the cast and the crew got angry because it was late, they were tired, and they all wanted to finish up and go home?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 6:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he say exactly the same sentence as written on the original script of the theater play? yes Or was it slightly different?
Did one particular word of the sentence make people angry? no Or the whole sentence? yes, in fact if he had said the whole sentence but left out just one word (and any word) he would have been fine
Or did people get angry because of the precise moment he said the sentence? no, not the moment

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 04:25 pm:

Was he messing about during rehearsal, and the rest of the cast and the crew got angry because it was late, they were tired, and they all wanted to finish up and go home? no, but he was messing around in a way
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 6:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it a line from a different play that he was also rehearsing for?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it the punch line to a particularly bad joke that he was telling?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was this the first rehearsal? if not, had he said the same line during a previous rehearsal? if so, did he use the same words? and did everyone become angry then too?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it the punch line to a particularly bad joke that he was telling? no

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 07:12 pm:

Was this the first rehearsal? possibly if not, had he said the same line during a previous rehearsal? if so, did he use the same words? and did everyone become angry then too? It could have been at any rehearsal, but he only could have said it once to get the anger, if he said it again the damage would already have been done
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Number of syllables relevant?

Any kind of superstition (e. g. saying "Good luck" is bad luck but saying "Break a leg!" is good luck, that kind of thing) relevant?

Professionals? Amateurs? Relevant?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did what he said make sense in the context of the play? Did he himself make any kind of mistake?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 9:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Number of syllables relevant? no

Any kind of superstition (e. g. saying "Good luck" is bad luck but saying "Break a leg!" is good luck, that kind of thing) relevant? YES

Professionals? Amateurs? Relevant? no

By Eliot (Eliot) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 07:59 pm:

Did what he said make sense in the context of the play? yes Did he himself make any kind of mistake? well, you could say that...
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 9:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A particular theat(er/re) superstition, then? Is it associated with a particular work (e. g. the whole "saying MacBeth" thing)?

Is it expected to result in a specific bad thing (e. g. bad reviews, short run, poor turnout etc.)? General bad luck?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 11:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A particular theat(er/re) superstition, then? yes Is it associated with a particular work (e. g. the whole "saying MacBeth" thing)? no

Is it expected to result in a specific bad thing (e. g. bad reviews, short run, poor turnout etc.)? General bad luck? latter some, former more
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 11:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It may possibly have been the first rehearsal: was it also the final rehearsal?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 11:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

possibly ;)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 11:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

pbbbbtttttth

OK, then, is the puzzle statement the last line in the play?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 12:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

YES, got it now? ;)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 12:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was pretty sure I had it when you refused to answer where it was the final rehearsal. Phbbbbtttt again. Check your email.
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 1:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

E-mail is mostly correct, except for one tiny detail...
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 2:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So we have to find out which is exactly this superstition and why this sentence is linked to it... Number of words in the sentence relevant? Structure of the sentence?
If this line was part of the script, and he said it at the right moment, he had no other choice than saying it, right? Or could he avoid it? And was he aware of the reaction of the others?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 4:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anything about a good final dress rehearsal resulting in a bad opening night or vice versa?

And he had the last chance to flub something?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 7:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So we have to find out which is exactly this superstition and why this sentence is linked to it... Number of words in the sentence relevant? Structure of the sentence? no to both, the sentence is relevant because it's the last line of the play}
If this line was part of the script, and he said it at the right moment, he had no other choice than saying it, right? FA Or could he avoid it? yes And was he aware of the reaction of the others? yes, he was being spiteful

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 04:15 pm:

Anything about a good final dress rehearsal resulting in a bad opening night or vice versa? no

And he had the last chance to flub something? no, but good tries all

Barb had it mostly, the only difference being that the sentence, while spoken during a rehersal, was NOT spoken on stage...
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 8:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ah.
OK.

FWIW, my guess was that he had spoken the final line of the play, thereby falling afoul of the superstition that doing the whole play during the final rehearsal brings about bad luck during the run of the play (usually either a short run or a run filled with problems.)
n.b. The theatre company I worked with got around that by traditionally starting the final rehearsal with the second line of the play. That way we never did "the whole play" accidentally.


Did he say the final line before anyone had left the theatre, and thus, he 'finished' the play during that rehearsal?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 10:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ah.
OK.

FWIW, my guess was that he had spoken the final line of the play, thereby falling afoul of the superstition that doing the whole play during the final rehearsal brings about bad luck during the run of the play (usually either a short run or a run filled with problems.) And it was so close that I want to give it to you, but he was not rehearsing when he said it
n.b. The theatre company I worked with got around that by traditionally starting the final rehearsal with the second line of the play. That way we never did "the whole play" accidentally. Clever. ;)


Did he say the final line before anyone had left the theatre, and thus, he 'finished' the play during that rehearsal? nope, he said it in a specific area that is a no-no to say it in
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 6:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was any one rehearsing when he said it?

Was he backstage? before he goes on? as he is getting himself 'in character,' going over his lines half out loud, that he says the final line, i.e the 'tag' line of the performance, whilst the play was being rehearsed?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 9:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was any one rehearsing when he said it? NO

Was he backstage? YES before he goes on? as he is getting himself 'in character,' going over his lines half out loud, that he says the final line, i.e the 'tag' line of the performance, whilst the play was being rehearsed? all rest is irrel, you have enough to solve
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 11:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We have enough to solve what?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 2:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why, the entire puzzle, of course.
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 4:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He said, "And that is why the duke will never be seen again, " and this comment angered everyone.

this is because it completed the play

there i solved it
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 11:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Um, no. RPA, and it's pretty much ripe for the picking.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 11:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I'm not familiar with any particular superstition regarding saying lines backstage, so I'll slightly amend my earlier guess:

They (the cast and crew) got mad because he finished the play during the final rehearsal by saying the final line right after he left the stage, thereby falling afoul of the superstion that doing the complete play for the final rehersal will result in bad luck during the run.

Better?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 12:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I'd love to say yes, but...not quite...there is a relevant superstition about saying lines backstage...but since you noticed that...I'll give it to you! ;)
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 12:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***** SPOILER *****

I've been told that there is a superstition in the theater world that saying the final line of the play backstage is a no-no. The actor in question here did just that (out of spite) and drew his fellows ire. The play was a success, even though the violator ended up in the hospital before opening night with a mysterious illness...

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