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Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 2:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

shrew?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 4:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was trying to establish the size of the animal's mouth The story never said how it was eaten, so I can only give an answer of... Irrel. ;)
Monito del Monte? no

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 02:52 am:

shrew no, but it starts with an a...
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 4:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You've reduced me to Googling up a list of marsupials of the world. I hope you're happy I have no idea which of these are New World species, though.

Anderson's Mouse Opossum?
Andean Slender Mouse opossum?
Aceramarca Gracile Mouse Opossum?
Agile Gracile Mouse Opossum?
Atherton Antechinus?
one of the other Antechinus species?
Agile Wallaby?
Antilopine Wallaroo?
Allied Rock Wallaby?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 4:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there another similarly mutilated body suspended elsewhere?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Armadillo?
Aardvark?

is the annimal rare?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it actually matter what the animal is?

Did the murderer intend that the authorities believe that the corpse belonged to someone else?
To the murderer perhaps?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 6:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You've reduced me to Googling up a list of marsupials of the world. I hope you're happy It's all part of my diabolical plan to take over the world, of course. ;)

Anderson's Mouse Opossum?
Andean Slender Mouse opossum?
Aceramarca Gracile Mouse Opossum?
Agile Gracile Mouse Opossum?
Atherton Antechinus?
one of the other Antechinus species?
Agile Wallaby?
Antilopine Wallaroo?
Allied Rock Wallaby? sorry, none of these :)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 04:39 am:


Was there another similarly mutilated body suspended elsewhere? nope

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:21 am:

Armadillo? yes, to Barbara's dismay ;)
Aardvark?

is the animal rare

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:25 am:

Does it actually matter what the animal is? yes, for a reason that will hopefully show up later on

Did the murderer intend that the authorities believe that the corpse belonged to someone else? yessish
To the murderer perhaps? no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 6:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm justified in not coming up with "armadillo". An armadillo is not a marsupial. So there.

"Did the murderer place the animal there? yes, for "svv" of "place" ;)"

Did the murderer place the body somewhere that the armadillo already was? in a cage? other enclosure? or just out where armadillos were known to be? Would his plan have worked out if a rat (or other animal?) had eaten the head, or was there something specific to armadillo-nibbling that other-animal-nibbling wouldn't have provided??
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 6:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm justified in not coming up with "armadillo". An armadillo is not a marsupial. So there. Sure? I'd read it was, I could be mistaken or it's one of those issues supposedly inflexible science is debating. ;)

"Did the murderer place the animal there? yes, for "svv" of "place" ;)"

Did the murderer place the body somewhere that the armadillo already was? no in a cage? other enclosure? or just out where armadillos were known to be? Would his plan have worked out if a rat (or other animal?) had eaten the head, or was there something specific to armadillo-nibbling that other-animal-nibbling wouldn't have provided?? there was something specific

Finding out the location where this takes place would really be helpful. Just a friendly direction. :)
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 7:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Then the story wouldn't have worked if the animal had been a rat?
Would it have worked if the animal had been anything else?

The head was eaten off before the body was hung up?
Was the murder supposed to look like an accident?

Did the murder involve mutilation of the head?
Would the ID of the victim ehvae given away the murderer?
Would the Presence of the head have betrayed the method of killing?
Betrayed anything else?

Apart from the method and reason for concealing the ID are there other key elements that we need to discover?

Was the victim related to the murderer?
If not, was he:
a stranger?
a friend?
a colleague?
and associate?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 7:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nope. They're placental mammals.
(Phylum Chordata: Chordates
Subphylum Vertebrata: Vertebrates
Class Mammalia: Mammals
Subclass Eutheria: Placental mammals)

Marsupials are Subclass Metatheria.
Wierd critters, but not marsupials.


Anyway, back to the matter at hand...


This occurs in the Americas, right?
North America?
if yes,
in the West?
Southwest?
South Central?
Deep South?
Florida?
Rockies?
Ozarks?
Appalachians?
Pacific Northwest?
Great Plains?
Upper Midwest?
Ohio River Valley?
Eastern Seaboard?
New England?
Mexico?
Western Canada?
Central Canada?
Eastern Canada?
Northern Canada?

Central America?
South America?
If yes,
Pacific Coast?
Andes?
Patagonia?
the Pampas?
the Amazon Basin?

The something specific to armadillos:
bite pattern? something in their spit? susceptibility to leprosy? their footprints?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 9:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Then the story wouldn't have worked if the animal had been a rat? no
Would it have worked if the animal had been anything else? there are a few possibilities, but very, very few

The head was eaten off before the body was hung up? no
Was the murder supposed to look like an accident? yes

Did the murder involve mutilation of the head? NO

Nope. They're placental mammals.
(Phylum Chordata: Chordates
Subphylum Vertebrata: Vertebrates
Class Mammalia: Mammals
Subclass Eutheria: Placental mammals)

Marsupials are Subclass Metatheria.
Wierd critters, but not marsupials. I see. Thanks for the info.

Anyway, back to the matter at hand...

This occurs in the Americas, right? yes
North America? yes
if yes,
in the West?
Southwest?
South Central?
Deep South?
Florida?
Rockies?
Ozarks?
Appalachians?
Pacific Northwest?
Great Plains?
Upper Midwest?
Ohio River Valley?
Eastern Seaboard?
New England?
Mexico?
Western Canada?
Central Canada?
Eastern Canada?
Northern Canada?

Central America?
South America?
If yes,
Pacific Coast?
Andes?
Patagonia?
the Pampas?
the Amazon Basin? Somewhere in U.S, geographical location irrel, but the setting is not

The something specific to armadillos:
bite pattern? something in their spit? susceptibility to leprosy? their footprints? none of these

Would the ID of the victim have given away the murderer? YES
Would the Presence of the head have betrayed the method of killing? no
Betrayed anything else? no

Apart from the method and reason for concealing the ID are there other key elements that we need to discover? yes

Was the victim related to the murderer? no
If not, was he:
a stranger?
a friend?
a colleague?
and associate? last two
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 9:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, the setting, then...

urban area?
suburban?
rural?
wilderness?

A zoo? game farm? roadside attraction? (like all the places you can see alligators in the south?) research lab? farm? park?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 9:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

urban area?
suburban?
rural? this
wilderness?

A zoo? game farm? roadside attraction? (like all the places you can see alligators in the south?) research lab? farm? park? none of these, research lab is closest, but not particularly close
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 1:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do we need to explore how the Armadillo was able to reach the head of the corpse?

Are the occupations of the murderer and victim relevant?

Did the victim die from poisoning, strangulation etc?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 1:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the murderer (Sam) want it to look like the victim (Jim) had died from having his head eaten away?
Or was this solely to erase the ID?

"Suspended" - I haven't the concentration power to read back - suspended by rope? Something similar to rope?

Was the suspension supposed to be part of the appearance of an accidental death?

Is this how the body would have been discovered - suspended witht he head eaten off?

Only an armadillo - is this because of the teeth / claws /some habit?
Because only the armadillo would eat enough of the head?
Because the armadillo would eat only the head?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 1:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would it have worked if Jim had used a Pangolin?

Did the armadillo have any role other than eating the head?

Was there anything else relevant at the scene?

Were Sam and Jim Rednecks?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 3:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do we need to explore how the Armadillo was able to reach the head of the corpse? not really

Are the occupations of the murderer and victim relevant? yes, but only as it relates to the setting

Did the victim die from poisoning, strangulation etc? hit by car

Did the murderer (Sam) want it to look like the victim (Jim) had died from having his head eaten away? no
Or was this solely to erase the ID? yes

"Suspended" - I haven't the concentration power to read back tsk, tsk! - suspended by rope? Something similar to rope? no

Was the suspension supposed to be part of the appearance of an accidental death? no

Is this how the body would have been discovered - suspended witht he head eaten off? no

Only an armadillo - is this because of the teeth / claws /some habit? no
Because only the armadillo would eat enough of the head? no
Because the armadillo would eat only the head? no

Would it have worked if Jim had used a Pangolin? yes

Did the armadillo have any role other than eating the head? no

Was there anything else relevant at the scene? no

Were Sam and Jim Rednecks? no
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 5:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant that the body was suspended?
Who suspended it - Sam? The authorities? Other?

Was an armadillo used simply because of it's availability?
Otherwise could a rat / dog / pig have been used?
Were the authorites supposed to think that the head had been eaten away by an animal / by an armadillo?
Would this have worked if the victim had been killed by other means (i.e. other than hit by a car?
Do we need to discover what "the setting" was?
Were they criminals? Farmers?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 5:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant that the body was suspended? yes
Who suspended it - Sam? The authorities? these Other?

Was an armadillo used simply because of it's availability? no
Otherwise could a rat / dog / pig have been used? no, there was a needed trait...that both Armadillos and Pangolin's share...
Were the authorities supposed to think that the head had been eaten away by an animal / by an armadillo? no
Would this have worked if the victim had been killed by other means (i.e. other than hit by a car? possibly
Do we need to discover what "the setting" was? no
Were they criminals? no, on the contrary... Farmers? no, that would be silly ;)
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 5:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sam and Jim were lawmen? Policemen?
Why did the authorities suspend the body? Is this relevant?

Were the authorities supposed to think that the body had lost its head by some means other than being eaten by an animal?

Did the setting have something that could have caused the head to be eroded? Say in an accident?

Is the shared trait of the armadillo & pangdolin to do with their armour / lack of fur / eating habit /something else?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 9:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sam and Jim were lawmen? yes Policemen? one was
Why did the authorities suspend the body? Nope, can't tell 'ya, nice try Is this relevant? yes

Were the authorities supposed to think that the body had lost its head by some means other than being eaten by an animal? yes, mainly they were just supposed to be left puzzled

Did the setting have something that could have caused the head to be eroded? no Say in an accident? no

Is the shared trait of the armadillo & pangdolin to do with their armour / lack of fur / eating habit /something else? something else