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Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 4:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm not only shamelessly stealing the title, I'm shamelessly stealing most of iMage's puzzle statement, as well..

There is a rather large building somewhere. It contains officies, a library, and a few other types of rooms. Bob has been working there for 7 years. Four years ago, for a number of days, when Bob entered his office, he smelled an awful stench. It's happening again now. Many people are annoyed by this awful odor, which has no obvious cause.
Mario Mattiello (Mattiel)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 4:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is iMage's puzzle relevant? Or its solution needed to solve this one?
Do we have to discover the cause of the smell?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 4:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, I seem to be a sucker for more punishment.

Is Bob doing something outside of his office (i.e. outside of his working life) that he did 4 years ago? If yes, did doing this thing cause intense BO on Bob?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 5:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mario Mattiello (Mattiel) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 04:52 pm

Is iMage's puzzle relevant? No. Or its solution needed to solve this one? No.
Do we have to discover the cause of the smell? Indeed you do.

Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 04:59 pm

Yes, I seem to be a sucker for more punishment.
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Well, I must be doing something right, then.

Is Bob doing something outside of his office (i.e. outside of his working life) that he did 4 years ago? Most likely he is, but that's completely irrelevant. If yes, did doing this thing cause intense BO on Bob? So, no. It's not Bob making the smell.
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 5:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the source of the smell in Bob's office? In the library? In the vents? Outside?
Something organic involved? Animal? Vegetable? Mineral? :)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 5:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Eliot (Eliot) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 05:40 pm

Is the source of the smell in Bob's office? No. In the library? No. In the vents? No. Outside? Yesish.
Something organic involved? Yes, Animal? No, Vegetable? Yes, Mineral? and No.
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 6:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sewer system relevant?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 6:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

mold, by any chance?

The source of the smell: same source 4 years ago?

Relevant that he has only been in the office for 7 years? Would longer time periods work?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dref (Dref) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 06:50 pm

Sewer system relevant? No, not that simple, I'm afraid.

Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 06:57 pm

mold, by any chance? No.

The source of the smell: same source 4 years ago? Yes.

Relevant that he has only been in the office for 7 years? No. Would longer time periods work? Hmm. I'm not sure what you're asking here. The smell has occured only twice; four years ago, and again this week.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have a guess--there was something in the local news just recently--I'll email when I get home if it isn't solved in the next 4 hours...
HotBod (Hotbod)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant where Bob works?
Would this puzzle work if there wasnt a Library?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 07:21 pm

I have a guess--there was something in the local news just recently--I'll email when I get home if it isn't solved in the next 4 hours... OK. I'll keep an eye out...

HotBod (Hotbod) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 07:45 pm

Relevant where Bob works? Yes. Or at least, where the building is.
Would this puzzle work if there wasn't a Library? Yes.
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the plant recently begin growing again? Did it recently begin dying/rotting? Does it only bloom every few years, producing the smell?
Is the smelly thing right out his window? Right inside his window?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 7:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I went ahead and emailed from work...
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 8:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Eliot (Eliot) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 07:56 pm

Did the plant recently begin growing again? No. Did it recently begin dying/rotting? No. Does it only bloom every few years, producing the smell? Yes.
Is the smelly thing right out his window? Yope. Right inside his window? No.

Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 07:57 pm

I went ahead and emailed from work... That's the thing. Want to keep going on where it is?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 8:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, the local beastie (yclept "Ted") lives at UC Davis usually (which is not quite so local--maybe 100 miles away)--is the one in the puzzle at a university or place of learning?
Research facility of some kind? Commercial facility? Public? Government?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 8:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 08:15 pm

Well, the local beastie (yclept "Ted") I don't think the one in the puzzle has ever been named. lives at UC Davis usually (which is not quite so local--maybe 100 miles away)--is the one in the puzzle at a university or place of learning? Yes
Research facility of some kind? No. Commercial facility? No. Public? Open to the public, yes. Government? No.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 8:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, let's see, there's one named "Tiffy" at Cal. State Fullerton, and here's a link for Ted Ted the Titan, and it looks like U. of Washington has one, and...well, is it in North America? Europe? Asia? Africa? South America? Africa? Australia?

Is it a college/university? Botanical garden?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 8:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 08:47 pm

Well, let's see, there's one named "Tiffy" at Cal. State Fullerton, and here's a link for Ted , and it looks like U. of Washington has one, and...well, is it in North America? This one Europe? Asia? Africa? South America? Africa? Australia?

Is it a college/university? Botanical garden? Yep. It's in the university greenhouse.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 10:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this plant bloom once every 4 years?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 11:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Friday, June 03, 2005 - 10:03 pm

Does this plant bloom once every 4 years? No. It's not that predictable.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 5:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this a plant? A tree? A shrub? A bush? A vine? A weed? Grass? A crop? Is it the flower itself that is causing the smell? The blooming of said flower? Is this a specific species of plant?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 9:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ian (Image) on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 05:41 pm

Is this a plant? Yes. A tree? A shrub? A bush? A vine? A weed? Grass? A crop? But none of these. Is it the flower itself that is causing the smell? Yes. The blooming of said flower? Yes. Is this a specific species of plant? Yes.
Dena Elbling (Ladyzinga)
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 4:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

would it help to find out what type of smell were dealing with? is it sort of a rotting vegetable matter type of smell? a rotting meat smell? a kind of sulfuric smell like eggs or something? something else i cant think of right now?

as to the type of plant, what type of climate does it best thrive in? warm, tropical, temperate, desert-like, etc?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 5:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dena Elbling (Ladyzinga) on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 04:51 pm

Hi, I don't recall seeing you before. Are you new, or an old-timer returning?

would it help to find out what type of smell were dealing with? Somewhatis it sort of a rotting vegetable matter type of smell? Not really. a rotting meat smell? This one is strongest, a kind of sulfuric smell like eggs or something? but there's a trace of this about it, as well. something else i cant think of right now? Yes-ish. There's something particular that it smells like, that would be a better description than any of the ones you mentioned.

In fact, HINT: Precisely what it smells like is what it got its name from.


as to the type of plant, what type of climate does it best thrive in? warm, tropical, temperate, desert-like, etc? Warm and semi-tropical.
Dena Elbling (Ladyzinga)
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 6:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

it isnt that im new, i just havent been around for a while and wasnt on all that long when i was...

am i right in assuming its some type of corpse/carrion flower? i hope youre not referring to a specific type, there are several. the giant corpse flower, or amorphophallus titanum, was already mentioned, so can i safely assume it wasnt that one?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 6:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dena Elbling (Ladyzinga) on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 06:03 pm

it isnt that im new, i just havent been around for a while and wasnt on all that long when i was...
In any case, welcome!


am i right in assuming its some type of corpse/carrion flower? Corpse plant is right. i hope youre not referring to a specific type, there are several. the giant corpse flower, or amorphophallus titanum, was already mentioned, so can i safely assume it wasnt that one? My response of "That's the thing." was followed by Tim posting examples of, and a link to, specific Titan Arums. It is, in fact, the Titan Arum, or Sumatran Giant Corpse Flower... This particular one is going to be blooming sometime in the next week or so, and poor Bob's office is probably going to stink again. This Titan Arum is also notable for a couple of other reasons.

So what's left to figure out is, where does Bob work?
Dena Elbling (Ladyzinga)
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 7:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

well the only ones about to bloom this summer are ted and tammy, but i cant find any info about tammy.
Einar Berg (Grainbeer)
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 8:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I actually had one such plant (a small specimen though) in my home many years ago. Its flower was beautiful, but the stench was terrible. It smelled like rottening garbage. The purpose of this stench is to attract flies, who will then act as pollinators.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 8:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, I need to correct a couple of things. The one I'm talking about has been named (I didn't realize that.) And it should be blooming in the next ten days or so, not the next week.

The information you need to figure out which one is the star of this puzzle is all contained in the puzzle statement, now that the plant has been identified.

Googling is not cheating.
Dena Elbling (Ladyzinga)
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 8:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ive BEEN googling. i tried tammy with about 8 different qualifiers, and ted bloomed 2 years ago but not 4. i hope ive been helpful, cuz i give up!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 8:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Your google terms are too specific. It's not Ted or Tammy, so that won't help.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 10:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wow, googled Titan Arum and the first one to come up fits the requirements... Are we talking about Titan IV at the University of Wisconsin Madison?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 2:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ian (Image) on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 10:59 pm

Wow, googled Titan Arum and the first one to come up fits the requirements... Are we talking about Titan IV at the University of Wisconsin Madison?

Indeed we are!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, June 06, 2005 - 2:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*********SPOILER************

The Titan Arum in question is Titan IV, (also known as "Big Bucky") located in a tub in the University Greenhouse on the campus of the University of Wisconsin in Madison. The notable things about it are:

1) That this is the second bloom in just under 4 years for the 12-year-old plant (not expected, considering that these plants generally have a life expectancy of 40 years or so, and usually only bloom four or five times or so in that time;)

2) The 2001 bloom was the tallest on record in the US, and was only a couple of inches shy of the world record;

and
3) the current blossom is developing on pace to break the current world's record (8'11".)

Beside this, the UW greenhouse is right in downtown Madison, nestled amongst classroom and office buildings. In 2001, the stench from the flower reached into offices as high as the fifth floor in neighboring buildings. With the weather predicted to be warm and humid for the next few days, it's likely that once again, poor Bob in his office next door, will have to put up with the smell of rotting corpse, while Big Bucky makes his/her run at the record books.

Rank-smelling flower borders on No. 1 ranking
6/05/05
Ron Seely, Wisconsin State Journal

UW-Madison has set its share of records, from athletics to academics, so why not one in botany?

Big Bucky, a malodorous tropical plant of the species Titan arum, is blooming again, and this time, as surely as Badger football great Ron Dayne ran for his place in history, this strange tropical plant is going for the botanical gold - the world title for the tallest Titan arum flower.

The plant, known for the rich, carrion-like odor emitted by its flower, is blooming for a second time in its home at the Botany Garden and Greenhouses.

The flower has reached a height of more than 6 feet and is on pace to surpass the world record for a Titan arum. That would be just 1 inch short of 9 feet, set by a plant at the Bonn Botanic Garden in Germany in 2003.

Mohammad Fayyaz is director of the garden and greenhouses and also serves as Big Bucky's trainer and cheerleader. He's got a measuring tape strung up next to the growing flower and checks on his star several times a day.

Fayyaz is as circumspect as a tobacco-chewing baseball manager when it comes to predicting victory. But he's getting excited.

"It's still early," Fayyaz said of Big Bucky's race for the title. "We'll just have to see. That would be great. It is a monster."

Big Bucky has a track record as a stout competitor. This is the second time the plant has bloomed in its 12 years. The first was in 2001 and the event made headlines. The flower grew to 8 feet tall, just 3 inches shy of what was then the world record, set in 1932. That bloom still holds the record as the largest ever in the U.S.

Thousands of people stood in long lines waiting to view Big Bucky. The plant's effort garnered UW-Madison more than $50,000 in sales of Titan arum memorabilia, and the university's Web server crashed as people around the world tried to view the flower live online.

Fayyaz credits Big Bucky's success to the sauna-like temperatures in the greenhouse. The temperatures are pretty steady at around 85 during the day and 75 at night, very similar to the plant's native Sumatra, Indonesia.

UW-Madison is developing as much of a reputation in the botanical world for its Titan arums as its football team has in the field of college athletics. This is the fourth time a Titan arum has bloomed in the university's botany greenhouse in the past five years.

The university has several of the plants.

Titan arum blooms have been a botanical spectator sport since 1889 when the first such bloom caused a stir at the Royal Botanical Gardens at Kew, England.

While Big Bucky has become quite the celebrity on campus, that popularity has come in spite of the plant's odd personal habits. When its giant flower unfolds, the plant will give off a stench that makes heads spin. Some liken the smell - which serves the plant by attracting pollinators such as carrion beetles and sweat flies - to rotting fish. In turn, it has earned the plant the nickname of "corpse flower."

Fayyaz said the flower could open within the next 10 days or so.

Big Bucky

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