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Annelies Horckmans (Annls)
Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 11:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are there other people involved? f.e. sarah is walking next to her boyfriend or ron's worst enemy?

Is he carrying something that sarah may not see?

Is it important for sarah's sake that she doesn't see him?

Or is it important for ron's sake that she doesn't see him?

So it is a fact,meaning it really happened? that it is perfectly normal to happen?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 12:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are there other people involved? f.e. sarah is walking next to her boyfriend or ron's worst enemy? No to these

Is he carrying something that sarah may not see? No

Is it important for sarah's sake that she doesn't see him? No

Or is it important for ron's sake that she doesn't see him? Yes

So it is a fact,meaning it really happened? that it is perfectly normal to happen? No, the puzzle itself did not happen, but it is based on a fact, i.e. if you had a puzzle saying "He thought it was going to be simple, but it turned out he couldn't do it", the puzzle itself didn't happen, but could be based on the fact that the odd-numbered pages of a book are always one lower than the even numbered page on the other side of the paper sheet, and "he" had been challenged to place a pencil between page 101 and 102 of a book. If you see what I mean. :-)
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 5:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there anything relevant that is unique about Ron?
About Sarah?

Is there anything relevant that is unusual about Ron?
About Sarah?

Is there any aspect of culture that is relevant?
Brian Pamandanan (Sciguy47)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 2:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has Ron changed in appearance?
Did Susan know something about Ron?
Is a third person relavant?
Brian Pamandanan (Sciguy47)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 2:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Class system important?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 6:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there anything relevant that is unique about Ron? No
About Sarah? No

Is there anything relevant that is unusual about Ron? No
About Sarah? No

Is there any aspect of culture that is relevant? Yes, one detail

Has Ron changed in appearance? No
Did Susan know something about Ron? Not more than good friends usually know about each other
Is a third person relavant? No

Class system important? You mean, like in aristocracy/working class? No.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 6:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Sarah wearing something particular? not wearing something?

Same questions for Ron?

If Sarah saw Ron at this time, would he be embarrassed? damaged physically? damaged financially?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 6:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The cultural aspect confined to one culture?
Or does it thread through a number of cultures?
Does it have a recognised time / place of origin?

Is it found primarily one group of people (even though they may be spread among continents?

Are there any one or more continents in which this aspect of culture rarely evident, or not evident at all?

Is there one continent where the A of C is primarily found?

Is there one country where the A of C is primarily found?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 8:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Sarah wearing something particular? not wearing something? No

Same questions for Ron? No

If Sarah saw Ron at this time, would he be embarrassed? Maybe
damaged physically? No
damaged financially? Yes

The cultural aspect confined to one culture? I think so
Or does it thread through a number of cultures? Not sure, but I think not
Does it have a recognised time / place of origin? I believe its origins to be rather uncertain

Is it found primarily one group of people (even though they may be spread among continents? It's something that's have had slightly different manifestations at different places and times, mainly in the western culture as far as I know.

Are there any one or more continents in which this aspect of culture rarely evident, or not evident at all? See above about western culture

Is there one continent where the A of C is primarily found?

Is there one country where the A of C is primarily found? Not sure of these, but I am rather sure that you would find it both on the British isles and in the US
Annelies Horckmans (Annls)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 1:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It was very clear :-)

Would he react this way if it were someone else he knew in stead of sarah?

He would be damaged financially as a consequence of meeting her or immediately? So the loss of money, on a long term bases or right away?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 2:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would his business suffer? would he lose a client? clients? if he was seen being friendly to Sarah in public at this time? Is conflict of interest relevant at all?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 8:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would he react this way if it were someone else he knew in stead of sarah? He might, but probably not

He would be damaged financially as a consequence of meeting her or immediately? Define "immediately". As a consequence of meeting her, yes
So the loss of money, on a long term bases or right away? Not RIGHT away, but in the short term, yes. Not on a long term basis

Would his business suffer? would he lose a client? clients? None of these
if he was seen being friendly to Sarah in public at this time? No. It would not matter whether or not they were seen by any third party
Is conflict of interest relevant at all? Yes - I think we may safely say so
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 9:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, then, is some sort of deal in the works, and Sarah is a representative of one side, while Ron is a representative of the other side? (for example, they work for two different law firms involved in a court case?)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 9:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wait a second--wild guess! Is Ron a private investigator?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 5:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, then, is some sort of deal in the works, and Sarah is a representative of one side, while Ron is a representative of the other side? (for example, they work for two different law firms involved in a court case?) Oh no, it's much simpler than that

Wait a second--wild guess! Is Ron a private investigator? *waiting a second* good guess - but no.
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 8:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is a bet involved?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 10:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is a bet involved? No
Christopher Anderson (Cazo97)
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 2:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

IS RON GETTING MARRIED?
Annelies Horckmans (Annls)
Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 3:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it relevant what Ron and Sarah do for a living? both? Ron? Sarah?

Could you say that Ron behaved in a normal, appropriate way? Or is it rather an easy way out? Or is it not a decent way to behave? (i mean the shunning away)

Is it something that is a part of everyday life, or is it rather a rare occasion?

Is sarah doing something in particular when he sees her? is he?
Annelies Horckmans (Annls)
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 8:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he saw her in the street? Or somewhere particular?

Are they both in a healthy state of mind?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 9:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Ron getting married? NO

is it relevant what Ron and Sarah do for a living? both? Ron? Sarah? Neither

Could you say that Ron behaved in a normal, appropriate way? Normal? No, I wouldn't say so. Or is it rather an easy way out? I suppose you could see it that way, yes Or is it not a decent way to behave? (i mean the shunning away) Let me put it this way: It is understandable.

Is it something that is a part of everyday life, or is it rather a rare occasion? Rare occation. Good question!

Is sarah doing something in particular when he sees her? is he? Neither

Did he saw her in the street? Or somewhere particular? Could be anywhere

Are they both in a healthy state of mind? Yes (maybe with the tiniest -ish for Sarah)
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 10:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the last time that Ron was friendly to sarah, was he trying to confirm something in his own mind ? And then when he got the confirmation he "dumped" her ??
Annelies Horckmans (Annls)
Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 10:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they playing hide and seek?
Christopher Anderson (Cazo97)
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 12:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is someone getting married?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 6:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the last time that Ron was friendly to sarah, was he trying to confirm something in his own mind ? And then when he got the confirmation he "dumped" her? No

Are they playing hide and seek? No

is someone getting married? No one relevant to this puzzle, no
Annelies Horckmans (Annls)
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 8:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When Sarah would have seen Ron, does he have to buy something for her?

The financial damage, does it involve a lot of money?
1000?

Does the amount of money depends on Sarah? (does she more or less decide how much money Ron will have to pay?)

Did he saw her at a public place?
Annelies Horckmans (Annls)
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 8:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When Sarah would have seen Ron, does he have to buy something for her?

The financial damage, does it involve a lot of money?
less than 50euro?
less than 100euro?
less than 150euro?
less than 200euro?
less than 250euro?
less than 500euro?
less than 750euro?
less than 1000euro?
more than 1000euro?
(1 euro = 1.22040 dollar)

Does the amount of money depends on Sarah? (does she more or less decide how much money Ron will have to pay?)

Did he saw her at a public place?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 10:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When Sarah would have seen Ron, does he have to buy something for her? Correct answer: No. Least misleading answer: Yes.

The financial damage, does it involve a lot of money? Could do. I suppose that would be rather time- and culture-specific
1000? 1000 what?

Does the amount of money depends on Sarah? (does she more or less decide how much money Ron will have to pay?) Maybe, to a degree. Again, this might be time- and culture-spceific

Did he saw her at a public place? Irrelevant. Anywhere would do

The financial damage, does it involve a lot of money? Difficult to specify a fixed amount.
less than 50euro?
less than 100euro?
less than 150euro?
less than 200euro?
less than 250euro?
less than 500euro? ...but, let's say around this amount.
less than 750euro?
less than 1000euro?
more than 1000euro?
(1 euro = 1.22040 dollar)
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 11:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is she paying back a loan / debt ?
is she paying him for his services ?
Is it a bribe ?
Blackmail ?
making a purchase ?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 11:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

First of all, we have established that if any payment is going to take place, it will be from him to her. Assuming that the sexes are reversed in the following questions...
is she paying back a loan / debt ? No
is she paying him for his services ? No
Is it a bribe ? No
Blackmail ? Not really, but Ron may feel that it is
making a purchase ? No
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 2:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are either of them looking for a job ?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 5:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are either of them looking for a job ? No
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 7:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

**************** RECAPETTE *****************

Once Ron sees Sarah, he shuns away and hopes she hasn't seen him. He takes extreme measures to avoid her. Yet, the day before, they were the best of friends, and he enjoyed her company a lot. No new information about her has come to his attention in the time in between. So why the change in attitude?

If Ron does not avoid Sarah, he is in for an economic setback.
Era and culture are relevant, but it is difficult to put limits on the era. Culture is western. One detail in specific of the culture is relevant.
This is a rare occation, not something that usually happens.
An aspect of time is relevant.
Ron is not getting married.
Small clarification: It doesn't matter if Ron sees Sarah, or if Sarah sees Ron. The main thing for Ron is to avoid meeting Sarah.
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 4:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the particular date relevant?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 4:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the particular date relevant? I'll try a "Yes" on this one, but I may have misunderstood what you mean
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 12:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are they being watched / filmed ?
are they spies ?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 5:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are they being watched / filmed ?
are they spies ? Neither
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 2:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this now a permanent situation, or just happening on one specific day? Will they return to normality within a day, a week, a month, a year, never?
Brian Pamandanan (Sciguy47)
Posted on Monday, August 15, 2005 - 12:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this setback apply only to Sarah?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 4:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***************** SPOILER *****************

This puzzle is already solved but the end was lost due to a data crash; basically, it's February 29th, Ron knows that Sarah is going to propose to him, and he does not want to marry her, and, bing poor, neither does he feel that he can afford the customary gift that he is supposed to give her if he declines her proposal.

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