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Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 12:40 pm:


whatever finally damaged it... was it fire? water? mainly this wind? a different group of people? (or person?)
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 2:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

water through a rainstorm? a flood? a burst pipe? did they make the damaged property itself more susceptible to the damage? or did harm an alternate structure (like a levee) that allowed the water damage to come through? is digging involved?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 02:28 pm:


water through a rainstorm? a flood? a burst pipe? this one did they make the damaged property itself more susceptible to the damage? yes or did harm an alternate structure (like a levee) that allowed the water damage to come through? no is digging involved? no
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 2:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they put something down the drain in the property? something that corroded the pipes? did they try to make a structural alteration like tearing down a wall, not realizing the pipes were behind it?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 02:35 pm:


Did they put something down the drain in the property? something that corroded the pipes? did they try to make a structural alteration like tearing down a wall, not realizing the pipes were behind it? no to all
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 12:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

would the pipe have burst from freezing?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 12:41 pm:


would the pipe have burst from freezing? yes
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 8:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so they did something that caused the pipes to freeze? did they turn the temperature down in the house? did the weather turn cold unexpectedly?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 08:16 pm:


so they did something that caused the pipes to freeze? yes did they turn the temperature down in the house? yes did the weather turn cold unexpectedly? yope
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 12:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

were they turning the thermostat down before they went on vacation? was there a relevant weather event while they were gone?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 12:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 12:25 pm:


were they turning the thermostat down before they went on vacation? no, but... was there a relevant weather event while they were gone? yes
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 3:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

event being a blizzard? a hurricane? did they not close the windows in the house?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 03:37 pm:


event being a blizzard? no a hurricane? no did they not close the windows in the house? yope
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, September 23, 2005 - 12:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

leave the door open? actually open the windows? was the event just a drop in temperature? an early frost? rain?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Friday, September 23, 2005 - 12:41 pm:


leave the door open? no actually open the windows? yesish was the event just a drop in temperature? yesish an early frost? possibly rain? no
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, September 23, 2005 - 4:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the time of year important? if so, was it spring? summer? fall? winter? was the drop in temperature unexpected? unusual for that time of year?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 6:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Friday, September 23, 2005 - 04:05 pm:


is the time of year important? yes if so, was it spring? summer? fall? this one winter? was the drop in temperature unexpected? yes unusual for that time of year? no
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 3:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, what I think I know: A family's pipes froze, cracked, and burst, then they unfroze and caused significant damage to the house. Flooding perhaps? The insurance company paid because the family was determened to not be at fault. Now we're trying to find what caused the problem with the pipes?

Was something done that created a vulnerability in the pipes? Did something affect/ruin the insulation? Did somebody shoot a firework into the side of the house, exposing the pipes? Were the affected pipes in a hard to reach/see area?
Did termites make a home in the insulation?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So these people left (for vacation or otherwise) and opened the windows (ish) before leaving and/or otherwise left their house in such a state that when the temperature dropped unexpectedly, the pipes froze and burst. The insurance company decided that since they couldn't have know the temp. would drop, they weren't responsible and covered the damage. Is this right so far? What else needs to be discovered?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 03:13 pm:


Ok, what I think I know: A family's pipes froze, cracked, and burst, then they unfroze and caused significant damage to the house. Basically correct. Flooding perhaps? Quite likely. The insurance company paid because the family was determened to not be at fault. Right. Now we're trying to find what caused the problem with the pipes? no

Was something done that created a vulnerability in the pipes? Did something affect/ruin the insulation? Did somebody shoot a firework into the side of the house, exposing the pipes? Were the affected pipes in a hard to reach/see area?
Did termites make a home in the insulation? no to all, except the hard-to-see-part, which is not relevant

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 03:38 pm:


So these people left (for vacation or otherwise this, in fact) and opened the windows (ish) before leaving and/or otherwise left their house in such a state that when the temperature dropped unexpectedly-ish, the pipes froze and burst. The insurance company decided that since they couldn't have know the temp. would drop, they weren't responsible and covered the damage. Is this right so far? yes What else needs to be discovered? Why couldn't they have known the temperature would drop?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 2:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they having an unseasonably warm Fall (like the one we're having now in my part of the world)? Did they check the weather report and more sun was predicted? Did they go on vacation and not watch the weather afterwards? Did a sudden cold front sweep in? Cold meets warm = instant hail? Did something man-made affect the climate around their home suddenly?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 02:19 pm:


Were they having an unseasonably warm Fall (like the one we're having now in my part of the world)? possibly Did they check the weather report and more sun was predicted? probably not Did they go on vacation and not watch the weather afterwards? no Did a sudden cold front sweep in? Cold meets warm = instant hail? Did something man-made affect the climate around their home suddenly? no to rest
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 2:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

would other people have been able to know that the temperature was going to drop? is there something unique about these people's situation? did they have access to tv? radio? newspaper?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 3:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was a badly timed power outage involved?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 02:43 pm:


would other people have been able to know that the temperature was going to drop? yes is there something unique about these people's situation? yes did they have access to tv? radio? newspaper? yope

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 03:08 pm:


Was a badly timed power outage involved? no
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 6:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Clarification:
did they have access to tv? radio? newspaper? yope to all
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 1:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did they have a disability? is there something unique about where their house is located?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 01:49 pm:


did they have a disability? no is there something unique about where their house is located? no, but explore
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 2:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there something unique about the house?
The way it's built?
The way it's wired?
The way the plumbing is set up?
The layout?

Is there something unique about what is inside the house? Or perhaps what isn't?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 2:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was a construction project scheduled to be done on the house? Like replacing all the windows? Was the house a completed house that they lived in? Or still being built?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 02:51 pm:


Is there something unique about the house? no
The way it's built?
The way it's wired?
The way the plumbing is set up?
The layout?

Is there something unique about what is inside the house? Or perhaps what isn't? no to all, sorrrry

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 02:56 pm:


Was a construction project scheduled to be done on the house? no Like replacing all the windows? no Was the house a completed house that they lived in? yes Or still being built? no
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 12:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it relevant where they live (as in country, specific area of the country?)
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 12:33 pm:


is it relevant where they live yes (as in country yesish, specific area of the country? noish)
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 2:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

north america? south america? europe? asia? africa? australia?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 02:23 pm:


north america? no south america? no europe? yes asia? no africa? yes australia? no
... but all may be possible, except perhaps Australia
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 3:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it the climate that is relevant? is it normally a hot and arid climate? tropical? is is the remoteness (or lack thereof) that is relevant? the proximity to water? do they speak the same language as everyone else in the area?
Ostap Bender (Ostap)
Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant for what period of time they left the house? did they stay away longer than planned?
Did they leave the house (or stay away) voluntarily? or were they, maybe, arrested?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 03:43 pm:


is it the climate that is relevant? yes is it normally a hot and arid climate? NO tropical? NO is is the remoteness (or lack thereof) that is relevant? yesish the proximity to water? no do they speak the same language as everyone else in the area? no

By Ostap Bender (Ostap) on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 08:03 pm:


Relevant for what period of time they left the house? yesish did they stay away longer than planned? no
Did they leave the house (or stay away) voluntarily? yes or were they, maybe, arrested? no
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 1:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it a climate that is normally cold? but you might not expect that for the area of the world? could they not have known the typical weather because they were foreigners and didn't speak the language?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 01:48 pm:


is it a climate that is normally cold? yes but you might not expect that for the area of the world? you might well could they not have known the typical weather because they were foreigners and didn't speak the language? yes
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 2:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so not expecting it to be cold because they didn't speak the language, they went away leaving their house unprepared for the cold weather, and the pipes froze and burst? and the insurance company paid for it since they didn't understand the climate? is that right?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
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By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 02:22 pm:


so not expecting it to be cold because they didn't speak the language, they went away leaving their house unprepared for the cold weather, and the pipes froze and burst? and the insurance company paid for it since they didn't understand the climate? is that right? in all essentials - spioler to follow
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 8:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry for the delay - I have been a bit stressed and trying (with variable success) not to catch another cold.

******** SPOILER **********

This might be a true story or an urban legend.
A diplomat was sent to Sweden from a country in Central Africa somewhere. He arrived with his family in April, having been warned that Sweden was a very cold country. This happened to be a year with a very chilly summer, so they didn't really grasp the concept of seasons, which do not happen near the equator. In early October there was a shift of presidents in the home country, and this diplomat was called home to take a seat in the government. The family cleaned out the house they had rented, shut the central warming off and opened a window upstairs to let some air in, as anyone leaving a house in their home country would do. Soon afterwards the real autumn cold set in, the pipes froze and broke, and the insurance company had a very expensive case on their hands. But they agreed that the African family couldn't have foreseen that the very cold weather would soon have become even colder, and paid up.


And all could have been avoided if their neighbours had been a bit better at making friends and giving advice…

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