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Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man has become lost in the woods. Using his cell phone he phones his wife, asking where he is. She tells him he's at home. How come?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he, in fact, at home?
Is he, in fact, in some woods?
Does he dial his wife's cell phone?
Their home phone?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he, in fact, at home? No
Is he, in fact, in some woods? Yes
Does he dial his wife's cell phone? No
Their home phone? Yes
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the man suffer from allzheimers or some other sort of forgetfulness?
Is it relevant why he is in these woods?
Is he hiking?
Hunting?
Collecting something?
Traveling somewhere?
Does the wife think that he is at home?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the man suffer from allzheimers or some other sort of forgetfulness? No
Is it relevant why he is in these woods? No
Is he hiking?
Hunting?
Collecting something?
Traveling somewhere? Any of these will do
Does the wife think that he is at home? She doesn't offer it much thought
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he, as a result of this communication with his wife, actually get "unlost" and find his way back to where he needed to go?
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it real man ?
is he a forester ?
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 1:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do the woods back onto his house ?
anybody else involved ? (identical twin ???)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 5:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He called his home phone number. But did his wife get the call on their home phone?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the wife technically correct? Is she totally mistaken?
Has she actually seen him which is why she thinks he's at home?
Could he be lost somewhere else for this puzzle to work? Could he be lost in a shopping mall for instance?
Does 'at home' mean literally in their place of residence? Or does it mean 'willing to receive visitors' in the other sense of the phrase? e.g "Mrs Blankety Smythe Jones will be At Home at 4 o'clock"
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he, as a result of this communication with his wife, actually get "unlost" and find his way back to where he needed to go? No

is it real man ? Well, he is muscular, self-confident and courageous. Judge for yourself.
is he a forester ? No

do the woods back onto his house ? No
anybody else involved ? (identical twin ???) No

He called his home phone number. But did his wife get the call on their home phone? Yes

Is the wife technically correct? Is she totally mistaken? She is totally mistaken
Has she actually seen him which is why she thinks he's at home? No
Could he be lost somewhere else for this puzzle to work? I suppose several kinds of places could work
Could he be lost in a shopping mall for instance? That would be far fetched
Does 'at home' mean literally in their place of residence? Yes. Or at least in the immediate vicinity.
Or does it mean 'willing to receive visitors' in the other sense of the phrase? e.g "Mrs Blankety Smythe Jones will be At Home at 4 o'clock" "Mrs. Drystick Appleknickers likewise". No, not in that sense.
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Correction: One more person is peripherally relevant
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a phone that sends photos?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the man expect his wife to know where he is from other information yet to be discovered? Or does he describe his surroundings ("Well, there's lots of trees, oh and a pile of leaves on the ground") and know that she will recognise the particular spot that he's at?
"If a man says something in the woods and there's no woman to hear him, is he still wrong?" He can't be lost if his wife can hear him. :O
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a phone that sends photos? No

Does the man expect his wife to know where he is from other information yet to be discovered? Yes
Or does he describe his surroundings ("Well, there's lots of trees, oh and a pile of leaves on the ground") and know that she will recognise the particular spot that he's at? No
"If a man says something in the woods and there's no woman to hear him, is he still wrong?" He can't be lost if his wife can hear him. And, of course, the wife has the last word in all discussions. Anything a man might say after that is the start of a new discussion.
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the time of day matter?
Does the wife consult an appointments diary to see where he should be?
The peripheral person - is he/she also in the woods? At their home? A member of their family? A workmate of the man? Of the woman? A complete stranger?
Does the peripheral person speak anything relevant?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 6:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has the wife been to those woods before?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 7:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he think something about the cell phone will allow her to find his location? Does he think she can see him (through camera, binoculars, whatever)? Is a map involved?
So she thinks he's calling her from the house? Is she unaware that he has a cell phone? Or does she somehow think she's speaking to him in person?
Is the wife at home?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 8:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the time of day matter?
Does the wife consult an appointments diary to see where he should be?
The peripheral person - is he/she also in the woods? At their home? A member of their family? A workmate of the man? Of the woman? All no
A complete stranger? Yes
Does the peripheral person speak anything relevant? Yesish, but...

Has the wife been to those woods before? No, irrelevant

Does he think something about the cell phone will allow her to find his location? Does he think she can see him (through camera, binoculars, whatever)? No
Is a map involved? Yope
So she thinks he's calling her from the house? She doesn't offer it much thought
Is she unaware that he has a cell phone? She knows he's on a cell phone
Or does she somehow think she's speaking to him in person? No
Is the wife at home? Yes
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 9:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the peripheral person seen by either the man or woman?
Is he/she the author of a book? Seen on TV or radio?
Is this a joke? Or a probable situation?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 8:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the peripheral person seen by either the man or woman? By the man, but...
Is he/she the author of a book? Seen on TV or radio? None of these
Is this a joke? Or a probable situation? I'd say the situation is not very probable. More of a joke.

It's probably better to leave the peripheral person for me to clear up in the spoi ler
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 9:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she think he's at home because of something he says?
Because of something she can see in her home?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 7:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she think he's at home because of something he says? Something he says is relevant.
Because of something she can see in her home? Yes
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 9:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she respond to his question with a duh attitude 'you're at home, dummy" type thing?
Had she seen something that he never left home without?
Was the way that he phrased his main location question relevant?
Was there something else that he said that he wouldn't be expected to say if he was in some woods?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 12:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she think she sees him in the house? Does she see something that he always takes with him?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 5:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she respond to his question with a duh attitude 'you're at home, dummy" type thing? No
Had she seen something that he never left home without? Noish
Was the way that he phrased his main location question relevant? Not sure what you mean by "his main location"
Was there something else that he said that he wouldn't be expected to say if he was in some woods? No

Does she think she sees him in the house? No Does she see something that he always takes with him? Noish
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 5:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had he voluntarily gone into the woods in the first place? Been taken there against his will?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 6:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had he voluntarily gone into the woods in the first place? Been taken there against his will? Irrelevant, but it was voluntary.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 7:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When the man phones his wife, presumably he thinks she has some way of finding out where he is? is he correct in thinking this? if so, does she use the method he expects her to use? or does she try to find out some other way? or does she just assume that she already knows?
GPS relevant?
Is he in a car? does she think he is? does she see his car? or think she does?
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 11:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she see something he should have taken with him?
Something she thinks he has taken with him?
Something she thinks he says he has with him? (eg, he says 'I'm surrounded by trees, and I'm right next to a My Little Pony beanbag - and she can see a My Little Pony beanbag)
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 5:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When the man phones his wife, presumably he thinks she has some way of finding out where he is? Yes
is he correct in thinking this? No
If so Well, it is not so, but..., does she use the method he expects her to use? Yes
or does she try to find out some other way? No
or does she just assume that she already knows? No
GPS relevant? Yes
Is he in a car? does she think he is? does she see his car? or think she does? All no

Does she see something he should have taken with him? Yes
Something she thinks he has taken with him? No
Something she thinks he says he has with him? No
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 5:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Latitude/longitude relevant? Like, did she use GPS to track him and he was standing at the reverse latitude longitude? So if their house was at 37 lat 46 long and he was at 46 lat 37 long, and she got it mixed up?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 6:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Latitude/longitude relevant? Like, did she use GPS to track him and he was standing at the reverse latitude longitude? So if their house was at 37 lat 46 long and he was at 46 lat 37 long, and she got it mixed up? No. Much simpler than that
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 7:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he leave his GPS thingy at home?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 12:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he leave his GPS thingy at home? Yes
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 5:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the wife have some sort of locator for OH's GPS? So she queries it and it says he is home?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 6:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the wife have some sort of locator for OH's GPS? So she queries it and it says he is home? Not sure what you mean by locator, but yes. Time to spoil, I believe.

**************** SPOILER *********************

The salesman (the peripheral third person) had been very convincing when telling our hero about the advantages of owning a GPS receiver. "With this", he had said, "you can never get lost. It will tell you where you are at any time. Just switch it on, let it have a few moments to orient itself, and it will show you on its built-in maps your exact location within one metre." So our hero, a man with great love for the wilderness, but no sense of direction, thought it to be a nice accessory. So having forgotten the GPS at home, he just phoned his wife and asked her to check the GPS, which, according to the salesman, should show his position at any time.
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 11:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Witty!
:-)

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