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Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 4:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He thought he had met him previously. He was able to convince him that he was wrong. This was an argument for his superiority.
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 4:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are there two people involved? If so, are any of these statements true:
'A thought A had met B previously'? 'B was able to convince A that A was wrong'? 'This was an argument for B's superiority'?

If there are three or more, are any of these statements true for three of them:
'A thought B had met C previously'? 'A thought A had met C previously'? 'B was able to convince A that A was wrong'? 'This was an argument for B's superiority'? 'This was an argument for C's superiority'?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 7:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mosquito (Mosquito) on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 04:57 pm:


Are there two people involved? yesish If so, are any of these statements true:
'A thought A had met B previously'? yes 'B was able to convince A that A was wrong'? yes 'This was an argument for B's superiority'? yope

If there are three or more, are any of these statements true for three of them: noish
'A thought B had met C previously'? 'A thought A had met C previously'? 'B was able to convince A that A was wrong'? 'This was an argument for B's superiority'? 'This was an argument for C's superiority'? This one is a yope, no to first to sentences
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let's clear this up a little bit. I said yope to It being an argument for both B and C's superiority. The puzzle works both ways, but let's just assume we are talking about C. Thus, the original statement now reads: A thought A had met B previously. B was able to convince A that A was wrong. This was an argument for C's superiority.
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 7:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gender's relevant?

Superiority, General? within a specific community? (Business, Cult, government, etc) intellect? physical? skillfully?

I hate using letters, let's name them...

Is Caleb (C) superior to Alaster (A) AND Brendan (B), just Brendan, or just Alaster?

If Alaster though he had met Brendan previously, had he in fact mistook him for Caleb?

Brendan then proved that he was not Caleb by proving Caleb's superiority over whoever?

are any of the men brothers?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 12:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gender's relevant? yes, all males

Superiority, General? within a specific community? yes (Business, Cult, government, etc) but not these intellect? yes, this is part of it physical? no skillfully? for what skill?

I hate using letters, let's name them...

Is Caleb (C) superior to Alaster (A) AND Brendan (B), just Brendan, or just Alaster? fa

If Alaster thought he had met Brendan previously, had he in fact mistook him for Caleb? no

Brendan then proved that he was not Caleb by proving Caleb's superiority over whoever? no

are any of the men brothers? no

Thanks for getting this one going again!
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 7:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is any of the men a hypnotist?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 11:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is any of the men a hypnotist? no
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 11:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are all three men present?
Any others present?
Is 'present' an applicable word?

FA to the question above: So none of the men were superior to any of the other men, or was Caleb the least superior?

Superiority Skillful: General skill of some yet undefined task - did the "superiority" involve this definition?

If so: The 'skill' is a mental/intellectual skill, as opposed to a physical one?

If not, is it just mental/intellectual superiority, i.e. one is 'smarter' than the other?

Superiority within a certain field (employment, intellectual property (patents, books, art), real estate, bank accounts, programming, University Professors, etc)

Is there a competition involved?
Wild guess: is this a gameshow?
... or even a game(boardgame, cardgame, computer game, etc)?

Met: face-to-face or internet (chat, forum, network game, MMORPG, virtual world)?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 5:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are all three men present? no
Any others present? yes, but probably won't help you much
Is 'present' an applicable word? sort of

FA to the question above: So none of the men were superior to any of the other men, right, they weren't superior to each other, but Caleb was still superior or was Caleb the least superior? not this

Superiority Skillful: General skill of some yet undefined task - did the "superiority" involve this definition? yes, if i understand you correctly.

If so: The 'skill' is a mental/intellectual skill, correct as opposed to a physical one?

If not, is it just mental/intellectual superiority, i.e. one is 'smarter' than the other? sort of this too, but you do want to find the task

Superiority within a certain field (employment, intellectual property (patents, books this one! , art), real estate, bank accounts, programming, University Professors, etc)

Is there a competition involved? no
Wild guess: is this a gameshow?
... or even a game(boardgame, cardgame, computer game, etc)? no to these

Met: face-to-face yesish or internet (chat, forum, network game, MMORPG, virtual world)?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 7:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are Alaster and Brendan characters in Caleb's book?
Had they actually met previously?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 3:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are Alaster and Brendan characters in Caleb's book? yes, good job!
Had they actually met previously? no to noish
Tony (E20)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 11:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So is "Caleb's superiority" a reference to his skill as an author? By making these characters and/or situation believable, he proved himself better than other authors?

Is Caleb a real author? Would it help to find out who he is?
If so ...
Is he alive?
Did he write in the 21st century? 20th century? ...etc
Is he African? Asian? Australasian? European?South American? North American? Antarctican?

Within the book, had Alaster and Brendan met previously?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 2:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So is "Caleb's superiority" a reference to his skill as an author? yes By making these characters and/or situation believable, he proved himself better than other authors? yes, and better than one specifically
It might be pertinent to remember that at the beginning I said that the puzzle worked both with "Caleb's" superiority and with "Brendan's" superiority


Is Caleb a real author? yes Would it help to find out who he is? definitely
If so ...
Is he alive? no
Did he write in the 21st century? 20th century? ...etc 17th century
Is he African? Asian? Australasian? European? this one South American? North American? Antarctican?

Within the book, had Alaster and Brendan met previously? no

This was a great set of questions!
Tony (E20)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 2:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the author ... British? English? Irish? French? Spanish? German? Italian? Russian? Greek? Scandanavian? Southern European? ...
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 3:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the author ... British? English? Irish? French? Spanish? this one German? Italian? Russian? Greek? Scandanavian? Southern European? ...


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Tony (E20)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 5:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In that case, I hope the next answer is "Yes" or I'm going to struggle to find any more guesses ...

Cervantes?

Would the particular author to whom he was judged to be superior be a contemporary of his? Perchance an Englishman?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 7:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In that case, I hope the next answer is "Yes" or I'm going to struggle to find any more guesses ... Fear not!

Cervantes? yes indeed!

Would the particular author to whom he was judged to be superior be a contemporary of his? yes Perchance an Englishman? no
Tony (E20)
Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 12:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the characters A and B from Don Quixote?

Is A Don Quixote? Is A Sancho Panza?
Is B Don Quixote? Is B Sancho Panza?

It's been a while since I read any early Spanish literature ... if there's anyone out there with more recent knowledge, feel free to join in! :)
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 2:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the characters A and B from Don Quixote? yes

Is A Don Quixote? Is A Sancho Panza? no
Is B Don Quixote? yes Is B Sancho Panza?

Just a note: A is a very minor character... finding his name is not the best way to go about this puzzle... you may want to explore more about Cervantes' superiority and why the meeting between the two characters was important. That is more important than learning A's name.
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 9:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The people of Spain thought Cervantes
Equal to half a dozen Dantes -
An opinion resented most bitterly
By the people of Italy.


Is the notion that some incident in Don Quixote demonstrated the superiority of Cervantes over some other author?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the notion that some incident in Don Quixote demonstrated the superiority of Cervantes over some other author? yes - how did it do this?
Tony (E20)
Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 1:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So ...

A character thought that he had met Don Quixote? But in fact he hadn't?
Don Quixote convinced him that he hadn't?
This episode demonstrates that Cervantes is a better author than another contemporary author?

Would it help to discover the identity of the other author? Was the other author ... British? English? Irish? French? Spanish? German? Italian? Russian? Greek? Scandanavian? Southern European? ...

Was this a deliberate device of Cervantes to demonstrate his superiority?
Does the superiority relate to a particular passage in the other author's work? Or is it a more general superiority?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 2:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A character thought that he had met Don Quixote? correct But in fact he hadn't? yope
Don Quixote convinced him that he hadn't? correct
This episode demonstrates that Cervantes is a better author than another contemporary author? contemporary to Cervantes, yes

Would it help to discover the identity of the other author? figuring out what he wrote would be more helpful than who he was Was the other author ... British? English? Irish? French? Spanish? this one German? Italian? Russian? Greek? Scandanavian? Southern European? ...

Was this a deliberate device of Cervantes to demonstrate his superiority? absolutely
Does the superiority relate to a particular passage in the other author's work? Or is it a more general superiority? more general, it is not a specific passage, but it exactly tied into what the other author wrote
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, October 17, 2005 - 7:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the story-within-a-story format of the book relevant?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, October 17, 2005 - 8:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the story-within-a-story format of the book relevant? no, but you're otrt
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 4:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the phony sequel relevant?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 7:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the phony sequel relevant? YES! Care to put it all together?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 2:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I suppose I can try, but I'm not that familiar with the story outside of the musical (I've done that at least twice--the horn part is ok but not spectacular).

So a bogus sequel was written under a pen-name, and Cervantes therefore wrote a real sequel--did he, in the proper sequel, refute something written in the fake? Using a character introduced in the fake?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 2:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So a bogus sequel was written under a pen-name, and Cervantes therefore wrote a real sequel--did he, in the proper sequel, refute something written in the fake? yes Using a character introduced in the fake? YES!!!
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 4:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So in the real sequel, Cervantes re-introduces a character from the fake sequel and makes him look foolish/mistaken? Makes him out to be an imposter? Has the somewhat befuddled (ok, extremely befuddled) Hidalgo Don Quixote put him in his place?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 4:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So in the real sequel, Cervantes re-introduces a character from the fake sequel and makes him look foolish/mistaken? Makes him out to be an imposter? Has the somewhat befuddled (ok, extremely befuddled) Hidalgo Don Quixote put him in his place? Yup! basically this is it... spoiler to follow
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 7:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

****************SPOILER******************

After Cervantes wrote the first part of Don Quixote de la Mancha in 1605, someone using the penname of Avellaneda wrote a sequel. Cervantes was none too pleased that someone else was borrowing his character, especially since Avellaneda made him look even more like a bumbling idiot. So, he took revenge on Avellaneda in the second part of Don Quixote, published in 1615. In this book, Don Quixote and Sancho Panza run into don Alvaro Tarfe, a character from Avellaneda's book. Don Alvaro insists that he has met don Quixote before (since he presumably did, in Avellaneda's book). Don Quixote tells him that this is impossible, since he is don Quixote. Don Alvaro says "You are right, you are the true don Quixote, the other one was just an imposter." This is Cervantes' way of getting a jab in at Avellaneda and proving his own superiority, as even the characters from the fake Quixote say that the characters from the real Quixote are the real and true people.

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