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Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 10:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

in a different movie? on a cd? just made up by a few individuals?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 11:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 10:53 pm:

in a different movie? on a cd? just made up by a few individuals? No to all
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 2:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

would many people have heard a major version of this song? would one person have heard it?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 02:53 pm:

would many people have heard a major version of this song? Noish would one person have heard it? Noish... FA going on
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 9:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does the song actually exist? is it something other than a song?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 1:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 09:59 pm:

does the song actually exist? Yes... svv for 'exist' is it something other than a song? Noish
The Undertaker (Undertaker)
Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 8:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

just a tune as opposed to a song?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 8:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By The Undertaker (Undertaker) on Wednesday, October 05, 2005 - 08:35 pm:

just a tune as opposed to a song? No... in fact, almost the opposite... (Hint hint)
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 8:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

something bigger than a song? a whole symphony? a whole soundtrack? is the minor part the "just a tune" part, and the major version is a big song?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 8:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 08:25 pm:

something bigger than a song? a whole symphony? a whole soundtrack? Nope... you misinterpreted my hint... is the minor part the "just a tune" part, and the major version is a big song? Although the major is bigger than the minor one.
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 9:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it spoken, and not set to music at all?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 11:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 09:18 pm:

is it spoken No, and not set to music at all? Yes
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 2:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does this just have to do with the words of the song? can they be interpreted one way which is happy and a sad way when set to minor music?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 11:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Friday, October 07, 2005 - 02:10 am:

does this just have to do with the words of the song? Mostly can they be interpreted one way which is happy and a sad way when set to minor music? No... the words were actually changed slightly.
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 8:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the words originally appear in the books? were they written for the movie? for some other purpose?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 2:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 08:40 pm:

did the words originally appear in the books? YES! were they written for the movie? for some other purpose?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 2:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

were they celebratory or happy in some other way within the books? then when slightly altered and set to minor music, became very sad?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 9:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 02:40 am:

were they They meaning the words of the song? celebratory or happy Than this in some other way within the books? then when slightly altered and set to minor music, became very sad? Yes

Left to figure out:
Where was the song originally used, and in what context?
How were the words changed?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 10:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the song in the third book, just like it was in the third movie? Was the setting the same? Was it in a prologue? An epilogue? Did it come at the beginning of the book? The middle? The end?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 10:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 10:02 pm:

Was the song in the third book, just like it was in the third movie? No Was the setting the same? No Was it in a prologue? An epilogue? Did it come at the beginning of the book? The middle? Somewhere between the beginning and the middle The end?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 10:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

1st book? 2nd? Does it get said by Aragorn? Eowyn? Frodo? Other hobbits? The talking trees?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 1:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 10:54 pm:

1st book? This 2nd? Does it get said by Aragorn? Eowyn? Frodo? Yesish... Tiny FA Other hobbits? And thisish, with the same tiny FA The talking trees?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 1:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it get said about them, not by them?
One site gave me the lyrics as being:
Home is behind
The world ahead
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadow
To the edge of night
Until the stars are all alight
Mist and shadow
Cloud and shade
All shall fade
All shall fade

The saddest part of this to me is the last lines, "All shall fade" Is this the part that was changed?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 2:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 01:46 am:

Does it get said about them, not by them? No, it is by them
One site gave me the lyrics as being:
Home is behind
The world ahead
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadows
To the edge of night
Until the stars are all alight
Mist and shadow
Cloud and shade
All shall fade
All shall fade

The saddest part of this to me is the last lines, "All shall fade" Is this the part that was changed? NO! Good question! Actually, upon further review, that line has been changed slightly, but only to fit it to the music better. That isn't the relative change. The original had, "Away shall fade." I assume it was changed simply to reduce the number of syllables.
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 2:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the fa that they say it? do they sing it?
was there part of the song in the book that got cut for the movie that would have made it happier?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 6:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, in the book, Frodo and Sam sing it, while they're still in the Shire, on the way from Bag-end to Buckland, and the relevant verse is:

"Home is behind, the world ahead,
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadows to the edge of night
Until the stars are all alight.
The world behind and home ahead,
We'll wander back to home and bed.

Mist and twilight, cloud and shade
Away shall fade! Away shall fade!
Fire and lamp and meat and bread,
And then to bed! And then to bed!"

So it's not a sad song at all, but a song of homecoming, and rest after a rather enjoyable journey.

The first two verses are about the pleasures and excitement of travelling and finding new things and new places.

Dropping those two verses, and leaving off the last two lines turns the meaning on its head, as does setting it more toward the end of the quest, rather than at the beginning.
add to that, setting it in a minor key, and what was, in the book, a rather cheery walking-song turns really bleak and forboding.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 8:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 02:28 am:

is the fa that they say it? do they sing it? Yep
was there part of the song in the book that got cut for the movie that would have made it happier? Noish...

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 06:05 am:

Well, in the book, Frodo and Sam sing it, while they're still in the Shire, on the way from Bag-end to Buckland, and the relevant verse is:

"Home is behind, the world ahead,
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadows to the edge of night
Until the stars are all alight.
The world behind and home ahead,
We'll wander back to home and bed.

Mist and twilight, cloud and shade
Away shall fade! Away shall fade!
Fire and lamp and meat and bread,
And then to bed! And then to bed!"

So it's not a sad song at all, but a song of homecoming, and rest after a rather enjoyable journey.

The first two verses are about the pleasures and excitement of travelling and finding new things and new places.

Dropping those two verses, and leaving off the last two lines turns the meaning on its head, as does setting it more toward the end of the quest, rather than at the beginning.
add to that, setting it in a minor key, and what was, in the book, a rather cheery walking-song turns really bleak and forboding. Precisely!!

****SPOILER****


A small change caused a huge difference.

See above.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 8:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nice puzzle, but exactly at what point of the 3rd movie was this song sung?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 9:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good puzzle! New one coming up, I hope?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 10:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pippen sings the song to Denithor, Steward of Gondor as Farimir rides out to attempt to re-capture Osgiliath...

As for another puzzle, I'll post one as soon as I can think of a good one....

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