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Tony (E20)
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 8:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he shot by a hand gun?
A rifle?
Bow and Arrow?
Crossbow?

Was he holding the weapon as it fired?
Did he intend to pull the trigger (or operate whatever starting mechanism was used if it was another sort of weapon)?

When the weapon was fired, was it aimed at the central character's head? body?
Did the bullet (arrow, whatever) hit the central character directly? Did it ricochet off something else?

Are the secondary characters human? adult? female? real? alive?

Does the central character know any of the secondary characters? Do they know him?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 6:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BLOOPER ALERT! The central character (henceforth known as Ron) DID intend to kill himself. but...

By Tony (E20) on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 08:57 am:


Was he shot by a hand gun?
A rifle? actually, a shotgun
Bow and Arrow?
Crossbow?

Was he holding the weapon as it fired? NO!
Did he intend to pull the trigger (or operate whatever starting mechanism was used if it was another sort of weapon)? no--good question!

When the weapon was fired, was it aimed at the central character's head?yes-ish body?
Did the bullet hit the central character directly?yes Did it ricochet off something else? not really

Are the secondary characters human? yes adult? yes female?yope real? yes alive? yes

Does the central character know any of the secondary characters? Do they know him? yes to both
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 6:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

emailed
Tony (E20)
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 8:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So Ron shot himself with a handgun which he wasn't holding at the time?

He intended to kill himself, but he did not intend to pull the trigger?

Was he preparing to kill himself in a more conventional way (the "easy" way)? And then the shotgun fired before he intended it to (the "hard" way)?
Annelies (Annls)
Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 7:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did he wander around in a forest where they were hunting?

Did you see it in CSI?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 6:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tony (E20) on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 08:47 pm:


So Ron shot himself with a handgun which he wasn't holding at the time? yes, with a slight -ish, as well as a slightly incorrect (but only superficially relevant) fact--see above entries

He intended to kill himself, but he did not intend to pull the trigger? yes-ish... *possible FA*, but OTRT ... explore...

Was he preparing to kill himself in a more conventional way (the "easy" way)? yes And then the shotgun fired before he intended it to (the "hard" way)? beware potential FA lurking. However, this is closest to the right forest so far...

By Annelies (Annls) on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 07:47 am:


did he wander around in a forest where they were hunting? nothing like this

Did you see it in CSI? no
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the FA that people think he actually killed himself but didn't end up dying?

Was someone else holding the handgun when he shot himself?
Tony (E20)
Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 7:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oops .. I meant to type "shotgun" but my fingers were not working very well. Now let's search for that FA ...

Ron intended to kill himself?
With a shotgun?
Did he set up remote control firing device?

Were any of the other characters present when Ron was killed?

Was one of the secondary characters holding the gun when it fired?
Did they intend to fire the weapon?
Did they know it was aimed at Ron?

Are the other characters;
Friends of Ron?
Family?
Colleagues?
Law enforcement agents?
Members of the armed forces?
Samaritans?
Criminals?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 6:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:36 pm:


Is the FA that people think he actually killed himself but didn't end up dying? no

Was someone else holding the handgun when he shot himself? yes-ish, FA lurking

By Tony (E20) on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 07:59 pm:


Oops .. I meant to type "shotgun" but my fingers were not working very well. usually my fingers engage fine. My brain, on the other hand... Now let's search for that FA ... yes, let's do that...

Ron intended to kill himself? yes
With a shotgun? NO! VERY GOOD question!
Did he set up remote control firing device? no

Were any of the other characters present when Ron was killed? yes, but may confuse or mislead

Was one of the secondary characters holding the gun when it fired? yes... the wording on this one is more accurate than previous mentions of this idea
Did they intend to fire the weapon?no
Did they know it was aimed at Ron? NO!

Are the other characters;
Friends of Ron?
Family? This one
Colleagues?
Law enforcement agents?
Members of the armed forces?
Samaritans?
Criminals? ...and none of the rest...

way to tear into the puzzle, Tony!
Tony (E20)
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 7:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The person holding the shotgun was Ron's ... wife? son? daughter? brother? sister? mother? father? cousin? uncle? aunt? niece? nephew? grandmother? grandfather? grandson? granddaughter?

Was the firing of the shotgun caused by the person pulling the trigger in the standard shotgun-firing way?
Did Ron do something which caused the person holding the gun to shoot?
Did he say something which caused them to shoot?

Did Ron intend to kill himself by ...
Shooting?
Poison?
Explosion?
Gas?
Drowning?
Suffocation?
Falling to earth?
Stabbing?
Loss of blood?
Being hit by a train?
Starvation?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 7:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So Ron wanted to kill himself by a method other than shooting himself?
And someone in his family accidentally shot him?
(Just making sure I have this clear so far)
And he did actually die?
He wanted to:
hang?
poison?
jump off a bridge?
jump out a window?
throw himself in front of a car?
slit his wrists?
Did he actually die from a shotgun wound?
Did the gun do something other than leave a bullet hole?
Scare him into falling?
Shatter something that was supporting him?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 6:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tony (E20) on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 07:43 pm:


The person holding the shotgun was Ron's ... wife? son? daughter? brother? sister? mother?
father? <===THIS ONE!!!
cousin? uncle? aunt? niece? nephew? grandmother? grandfather? grandson? granddaughter?

Was the firing of the shotgun caused by the person pulling the trigger in the standard shotgun-firing way? yes
Did Ron do something which caused the person holding the gun to shoot? yes-ish
Did he say something which caused them to shoot? no

Did Ron intend to kill himself by ...
Shooting?
Poison?
Explosion?
Gas?
Drowning?
Suffocation?
Falling to earth? this one
Stabbing?
Loss of blood?
Being hit by a train?
Starvation?

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 07:44 pm:


So Ron wanted to kill himself by a method other than shooting himself? yes
And someone in his family accidentally shot him? yes, his father
(Just making sure I have this clear so far)
And he did actually die? yes
He wanted to:
hang?
poison?
jump off a bridge?
jump out a window?
throw himself in front of a car?
slit his wrists?
Did he actually die from a shotgun wound?
Did the gun do something other than leave a bullet hole?
Scare him into falling?
Shatter something that was supporting him?
none of these==see above

Wow... not much left here... keep plowing through this puzzle!!!
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 7:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Falling to earth - from an airplane? a manmade structure? a tree? a building?
Did his father intend to pull the trigger?
Did he know he was aiming at his son?
Did something startle him into shooting?
Did he think he could prevent the suicide by shooting?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 4:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 07:34 pm:


Falling to earth - from an airplane? a manmade structure? a tree? a building<==THIS ONE?
Did his father intend to pull the trigger? yes(-ish?)
Did he know he was aiming at his son? NO! good question!
Did something startle him into shooting? no-ish to yope
Did he think he could prevent the suicide by shooting? no
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 4:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rabrab, I received your email and tried to respond, but your email bounced back to me undelivered. You are correct in your conclusion. Good work!
Tony (E20)
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 1:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ron was intending to jump from a building?
Was he: on the roof? on his way to the roof? on a ledge? leaning out of a window? in the building but not yet in position to jump? on his way to the building?

Was he intending to jump because he was depressed? because the building was on fire? for any reason related to his father?

His father shot him with a shotgun?
Did he recognise Ron?
Did Ron see him?
Did Ron recognise him?
How far away were they: less than 1 metre? less than ten metres? less than 100 metres? less than a kilometre? more than a kilometre?

Did the father shoot with intent to kill? to injure? to warn?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 5:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the father think Ron was a burglar trying to get into the building?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 6:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tony (E20) on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 01:16 pm:


Ron was intending to jump from a building? yes
Was he: on the roof? yes on his way to the roof? on a ledge? leaning out of a window? in the building but not yet in position to jump? on his way to the building? none of the rest

Was he intending to jump because he was depressed?yes because the building was on fire? for any reason related to his father? yes-ish, but beware

His father shot him with a shotgun? yes
Did he recognise Ron? no
Did Ron see him? no
Did Ron recognise him? no
How far away were they: less than 1 metre? less than ten metres?<==somewhere between these two, but toward the smaller end===> less than 100 metres? less than a kilometre? more than a kilometre?

Did the father shoot with intent to kill? no-ish, possible FA to injure? no to warn? no

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 05:18 pm:


did the father think Ron was a burglar trying to get into the building? no, FA
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 7:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the father think ron was a person? did the father see anything/one at all? was the father trying to just shoot into the air?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 9:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 07:26 pm:


did the father think ron was a person? wrong forest here did the father see anything/one at all? yes, but not Ron! was the father trying to just shoot into the air? not really, but this is something worth exploring...
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 9:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was someone else on the roof with ron? was something else? was he/she/it a danger to ron? did the father even know that ron was up there at all?
Tony (E20)
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 10:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Clarification please:
Did Ron's father intend to fire the weapon?
Did his father intend to pull the trigger?

Had Ron already jumped when he was shot? Was he still on the roof?

Was Ron's father ... on the ground? on the roof? in the building? in another building? on another roof? in a tree?

Does Ron's father have perfect 20/20 vision?