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Batman (Ashusharma)
Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2005 - 3:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she expected to say anything to the fighers?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2005 - 7:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the fighters children? no
Was she the only one summoned? no
Is the person who summoned here relevant? no
Did more than one person summon her? no
Whoever summoned her - did he/she/they know the fighters? no know one of the fighters? no
Was the fighting taking place in a prison? no
As a doctor, did she work in a hospital? yes

Was she at work when the summons came? yes Was she on the way to work? Was she on the way home from work? no to rest
Was the fight taking place at her place of work? yes

When she received the summons, how far away was she from the scene of the fight ... less than 10 metres? less than 100 metres? less than 500 metres? less than a kilometre? More than a kilometre? inside the hospital, otherwise irrel

Was she expected to say anything to the fighers? no


After looking at the puzzle statement I'd written in a temporary sleepless haze, I now think it's too potentially misleading to make for a good puzzle and I'd better reword it. Sorry about the change!


**** CLARIFIED PUZZLE ALERT ****

Arriving at the scene of a violent fistfight shortly after hearing that her presence was urgently needed there, Sylvia couldn't understand why she had been summoned.
Lauri Ahonen (Klaivu)
Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 3:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the fighters doctors? Nurses? Patients?
Male? Female? One of each?
Age relevant? Elderly?

Is she a specialist in one or more field of medicine?
Are the specialist skills needed? Are they relevant?
Is her specialty something that has nothing to do with treating trauma associated with fistfights? Was this the reason she was confused?
Is she supposed to treat the injured in some way?
Are the injured going to hurt themselves in some other way than fighting? Indirectly because of catheters or I.V.:s or such?
Was there a shortage of personnel?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 3:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she puzzled because she knew that brute force would be needed and she thought she was too slight to be of any use?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 10:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lauri Ahonen (Klaivu) on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 03:44 pm:

Were the fighters doctors? Nurses? Patients?
Male? Female? One of each? Age relevant? Elderly? probably one patient fighting a hospital staff member, otherwise irrel

Is she a specialist in one or more field of medicine? yes
Are the specialist skills needed? not at all Are they relevant? no
Is her specialty something that has nothing to do with treating trauma associated with fistfights? yes Was this the reason she was confused? yes, one of the reasons
Is she supposed to treat the injured in some way? no
Are the injured going to hurt themselves in some other way than fighting? no Indirectly because of catheters or I.V.:s or such? no
Was there a shortage of personnel? no

By Lynne (Lynne) on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 03:54 pm:
Was she puzzled because she knew that brute force would be needed and she thought she was too slight to be of any use? yes exactly; this was the other reason for her confusion
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 10:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she have to resort to verbal intervention?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 11:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she have to resort to verbal intervention? no
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Sunday, September 25, 2005 - 11:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she inject them with anything?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 12:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she inject them with anything? no
Batman (Ashusharma)
Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 8:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she the only person available?
Was she summoned to witness the fight?
Is she also a policewoman? Hypnotist?
Is the reason why they were fighting relevant?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 6:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she the only person available? no
Was she summoned to witness the fight? no
Is she also a policewoman? no Hypnotist? no
Is the reason why they were fighting relevant? no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Sylvia summoned specifically? Was she the only person summoned?
Or was it more like "All available personnel..."

Summoned: called on the intercom? called on the phone? told in person by someone?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 9:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was she actually intended to be summoned?

or was there an identity mix-up, and a different person was actually supposed to have been the one summoned?

if she was intended as the one summoned, did she report to the correct location?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 11:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 08:31 pm:
Was Sylvia summoned specifically? yope Was she the only person summoned? yope
Or was it more like "All available personnel..." no

Summoned: called on the intercom? yes called on the phone? no told in person by someone? no


By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Monday, September 26, 2005 - 09:02 pm:
was she actually intended to be summoned? NO

or was there an identity mix-up, and a different person was actually supposed to have been the one summoned? yesish

did she report to the correct location? yes
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 1:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she summoned by her whole name? By 'Dr. [lastname]'? or was the summons for
"a doctor"? or some other such vague descriptor?

Is there another doctor working at the same hospital who has the same name, and who it would have been sensible to summon?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 4:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she summoned by her whole name? no
By 'Dr. [lastname]'? YES
or was the summons for "a doctor" or some other such vague descriptor? no

Is there another doctor working at the same hospital who has the same name, and who it would have been sensible to summon? NO
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 4:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they page 'Dr. [lastname]', which was actually her *first* name?
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 2:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did someone else's name sound similar to hers, causing the mixup?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 3:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the summons not intended (or not supposed to be) for a doctor?
Batman (Ashusharma)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 3:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the summons for "Dr. Sylvia"?
Or were the summons for someone else but they sounded like for "Dr. Sylvia"?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 4:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they page 'Dr. [lastname]', which was actually her *first* name? no

Did someone else's name sound similar to hers, causing the mixup? no

Was the summons not intended (or not supposed to be) for a doctor? YES

Was the summons for "Dr. Sylvia"? no
Or were the summons for someone else but they sounded like for "Dr. Sylvia"? no
Lauri Ahonen (Klaivu)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 4:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They were paging someone else?
With the same name?
She thought they were paging her, while they weren't?

Were they paging by name?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 4:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They were paging someone else? yesish
With the same name? no
She thought they were paging her, while they weren't? yes

Were they paging by name? yope
Lauri Ahonen (Klaivu)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 5:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they paging by profession?
Was it only a notification of what was going on?
Workplace specific lingo relevant?

Did she think they were paging her by name?

Are languages relevant?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 5:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they paging by profession? noish
Was it only a notification of what was going on? no
Workplace specific lingo relevant? yes

Did she think they were paging her by name? yes

Are languages relevant? no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 5:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the page actually for
security?
a particular orderly?
a particular staff member who was good at breaking up fights?
a particular piece of equipment?
(restraints of some sort perhaps?)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 5:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, another thought: was the page a 'Code [something]'? did she confuse the codes and think that it was for a doctor, when it was for someother response? (frex Code Blue generally means a resuscitation team is needed, but Code Brown may mean security is needed.)
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 5:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the page actually for
security? yes
a particular orderly? no
a particular staff member who was good at breaking up fights? no
a particular piece of equipment? no
(restraints of some sort perhaps?) no

Oh, another thought: was the page a 'Code [something]'? (frex Code Blue generally means a resuscitation team is needed, but Code Brown may mean security is needed.) not 'Code' exactly, but this is *very* close to the right idea
did she confuse the codes and think that it was for a doctor, when it was for some other response? no
Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 7:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is her last name relevant? Is it the name of a color? Instead of code something, was it "blue alert..." or something like that? or "blue please report to..."
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 8:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"silver team please report to _____"?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 9:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they use a made-up name to call for security to avoid alarming the civilians? Rather than having an announcement about "Security to the ER stat--bring restraints and tasers..." they announce "Dr. So-and-so to the ER, Dr. So-and-so to the ER." when there really isn't (supposed to be) any Dr. with that name, and the security guys are supposed to recognize it and respond? And Sylvia's new there and happens to have the made-up name as her real name?
Lauri Ahonen (Klaivu)
Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 12:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sylvia in X ( x where the thing was taking place ) ?
Or Sylvias last name taking place in X ?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 3:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer Warde (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 07:30 pm:
Is her last name relevant? Is it the name of a color? no Instead of code something, was it "blue alert..." or something like that? or "blue please report to..." no

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 08:56 pm:
"silver team please report to _____"? no

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 09:38 pm:
Did they use a made-up name to call for security to avoid alarming the civilians? Rather than having an announcement about "Security to the ER stat--bring restraints and tasers..." they announce "Dr. So-and-so to the ER, Dr. So-and-so to the ER." when there really isn't (supposed to be) any Dr. with that name, and the security guys are supposed to recognize it and respond? And Sylvia's new there and happens to have the made-up name as her real name? got it - exactly right!

By Lauri Ahonen (Klaivu) on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 12:14 am:
Sylvia in X ( x where the thing was taking place )? no
Or Sylvias last name taking place in X? no


***** SPOILER *****
To avoid upsetting patients who need a calm environment, hospitals are reluctant to broadcast something like "Security to Ward 5 immediately" over the intercom during an emergency. This particular hospital used the phrase "Dr. Strong to room XXX" to alert security staff without alarming the public - this worked well until endocrinologist Dr. Sylvia Strong arrived for her first day of work and was surprised to be paged to a major fistfight (where none of the participants were diabetic.)



This puzzle was inspired when I heard University Hospitals of Cleveland had once used that exact "Dr. Strong" phrase for security situations. They have since changed to something more boring like "Code Gray".
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 6:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good one! I remember hearing about a hospital that would page the residents to the autopsy room when there was something they should see (in the furthering of their education of course,) with "Paging Dr. Post. Paging Dr. Mortimer Post..."
Batman (Ashusharma)
Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - 7:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good one! :)
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 10:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Right up my street - sorry I missed it!
Sam Hastings (Sjh)
Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 11:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They do this on the London Underground I think. They announce "Could inspector sands please come to [place]", place being where the security alert or whatever is taking place.

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