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Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 08:16 pm:

Was that his problem?
He had an internet map and the street he was on wasn't shown? No, he had no map at all.
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ergh. Those aren't exactly yes or no questions are they...

Um, west village? east village? Around washington square park?
In otherwords... left? right? or middle?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It showed on the map I was looking at, either running parallel to the FDR Highway or as a different name for a short stretch of FDR Highway. At any rate, it's way over on the east side, and I couldn't tell if it was East Village or Lower East Side. But since that's not where he is, it doesn't really matter, does it, now?

Was the street sign correctly spelled? was it correctly placed? was it correctly mounted? was it mounted upside down? had it been defaced in some way? (painted on, some sort of sticker(s) added?) had the same street sign been placed going both ways on the post, so that Fred found himself at the corner of, for example, Perry and Perry? well, I'm at the corner of Telephone and Telephone. [old joke]
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Um, west village? According to wikipedia, Yes
east village? Around washington square park? Not too far from here
In otherwords... left? right? or middle?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The maps I found said the boundaries for Greenwich are 14th St on the north, Houston on the South, the river on the west, and Broadway on the east. Once you get east of Braodway, you're in the East Village, which seems to be a separate entity.

Are those the boundaries you're using? He is in Greenwich Village itself, right? not the East Village?
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 08:25 pm:


Was the street sign correctly spelled?
was it correctly placed? was it correctly mounted?
Yes

was it mounted upside down? had it been defaced in some way? (painted on, some sort of sticker(s) added?) No


had the same street sign been placed going both ways on the post, so that Fred found himself at the corner of, for example, Perry and Perry?

<ding ding ding> Yes, thats it!!!

So if you can figure out what's going on here this puzzle will be solved!
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok... in that case... we're fast running out of named streets. At least ones that aren't obvious first or last names.

Laguardia Street?
Commerce?
Mercer?
Bethune?

Is this street near the park?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nevermind... um...

Gay... Perry...

Is this some sort of a France joke? He saw the sign and thought, Paris (often pronounced Per-ry), I thought I was in New York.
Badum chink.
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Quote:

Once you get east of Braodway, you're in the East Village, which seems to be a separate entity.




Not just by name. There's quite a change in character once you cross Broadway. The East village has a much more Bohemian character, while the West village seems a bit more upscale. At least that's my impression.

I have to say, after all this talk, I'm itching to take another Village excursion, while the weather here still is nice! I'm only an hour train ride away so I should go more often.
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

P.S. Perry is totally somebody's last name. Think Luke Perry, Matt Perry, etc.
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 08:36 pm:

Ok... in that case... we're fast running out of named streets. At least ones that aren't obvious first or last names.

Laguardia Street?
Commerce?
Mercer?
Bethune?

Is this street near the park? Yes, starts with a "W" (no, not Washington Street)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Then, let's continue with the brute force method...

The streets near Washington Square:
Christopher,
Grove,
Gay,
Barrow,
Morton,
Commerce,
Jones,
Cornelia,
Leroy,
Carmine,
Downing?
Macdougal,
Sullivan,
Thompson,
LaGuardia,
Mercer,
Waverly,
Greene,
University,
Washington Square Village,
Washngton Square North,
Washington Square South?
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 08:38 pm:

Nevermind... um...

Gay... Perry...
No, it's not Perry street - that was just an example Barbara used :)
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Then yeah... like Barbara said... it would be Waverly and Waverly, right?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Unless it was Washington Square (N,S,E) and Washington Square (N,S,E)?
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 08:42 pm:

Then, let's continue with the brute force method...
Mmm, we could, but first, what about my message at 8:35? So we're not just guessing at street names without first having solved the lateral part puzzle!
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Isn't Waverly and Waverly a famous insurance company or something? And it's not in New York? But somewhere like London or Chicago?
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 9:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oops, never mind, sorry Barbara, reading your post again it looks like you got the whole thing! (Boy, it's been a rough week!)

************ SPOILER ************************

Fred was taking a walking tour of Greenwich Village.

Unlike midtown Manhattan, where all the streets are laid out on a grid, and nicely numbered, the Greenwich Village street plan has remained largely unaltered from its original haphazard development.
There are some odd situations - for example, 4th street intersects 11th street (and I think also 10th and 12th).

So, after a time Fred became a bit lost. The kicker came when he came to the intersection of Waverly Place and Waverly Place. He laughed, and thought amusedly, "Now I'm definitely lost!".

Waverly Place intersects itself just after it crosses Christopher street, where it meets another branch of itself that runs between Christopher and
I MacDougal street.

Interesting, there is an old triangular dispensar y building at the corner. On the third side, Christopher and Grove branch out. So this is a building that has two sides on the same street, and a third side on two streets.


Well thanks everyone for playing - I hope it was fun, and sorry for the misleading answers. I thought this intersection would make a good lateral puzzle, although in retrospect I should have picked a better opener.

Incidentally, does anyone know how common it is for streets to intersect themselves like this? I assume it's fairly unusual, but maybe it happens in many cities.

Have a good weekend everybody!
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 9:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 08:56 pm:

Isn't Waverly and Waverly a famous insurance company or something? And it's not in New York? But somewhere like London or Chicago? Come to think of it, yeah, there's some kind of company named that. I never made the connection before. So the name is more famous than I thought!
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 9:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 08:52 pm:

Unless it was Washington Square (N,S,E) and Washington Square (N,S,E)? True, although to me, since they're differentiated by N,S, and E, they're not really the same street.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 9:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It was a good puzzle!

Here's the map I used to get the street list. It shows the little section you're talking about quite clearly.


I don't know about streets intersecting themselves with the exact same name, but I've run into cases where <Foo> Street intersects <Foo> Avenue or <Foo> Road or <FOO> Lane fairly often.


And a good weekend to you, too.
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 9:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, about the online maps - it looks like both Yahoo maps and Mapquest will not label both branches of Waverly Place at the same time. And an other online map I was (I forgot which one) labeled both branches , but labeled one as "Waverly St."
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 9:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Quote:

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 09:18 pm:

It was a good puzzle!

Here's the map I used to get the street list. It shows the little section you're talking about quite clearly.




Yes, but at least on my machine you can't see that the branch heading towards Washington square is also
Waverly Place. It just gets left unlabeled.I guess in their database it's just recorded as one segment that after it crosses Christopher, heads left towards Washingtion square.
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 9:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


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By Larry Troxler (Quackscience) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 08:44 pm:

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 08:38 pm:

Nevermind... um...

Gay... Perry...
No, it's not Perry street - that was just an example Barbara used :)




LOL I read that too quickly before!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 9:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

True. I just made the assumption that since the other streets that became Washington Square South and East reverted to their previous names once they were past the actual boundary of the Park, that Waverly did, too. Of course, making that kind of assumption is a good way to get lost.
Larry Troxler (Quackscience)
Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 2:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


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By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 09:34 pm:

True. I just made the assumption that since the other streets that became Washington Square South and East reverted to their previous names once they were past the actual boundary of the Park, that Waverly did, too. Of course, making that kind of assumption is a good way to get lost.




Oh yeah, duh. The algorithm probably does the same thing with all of those other streets that take a bend after crossing a road. Naturally, it will only label them once and only once. The only question is, can it properly handle the situation in that little triangle. Unfortunately, it seems that you can't zoom in far enough to see if it would actually label this street twice on both legs (I mean the short leg of Waverly between Waverly and Grove).

Gee, ya think I have too much free time on my hands, or what? :)
svch82y@mail.ru
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