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Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 5:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jennifer (Tigger32382)

Old Roman or Arabic bathhouses or something along those lines? No, it's something people do more often in rural areas than urban ones.
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 5:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

An inn? A saloon? A whore-house?
The old swimmin' hole?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 5:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Here's a recap. There's still alot to be uncovered, so hope it helps.

Starter
What a terrible place to stop!

We know:
*Many people were killed
*A single man killed them all with a weapon similiar to an axe
*No survivors or witnesses are alive except the last man, who killed the killer
*These people all stopped at this building, voluntarily
*People stopped here often
*These people were maimed and injured before dying
*They are strangers to eachothers and could have taken any mode of transportation
*The building is on the ground, more likely in a rural setting
*They were all attacked because they were there
*They were all attacked at different dates
*None of them realised their prospects, except maybe the last person
*The attacked had no real basis to do this
*This was a place people came to visit
*Not a bathroom, although one could be found inside
*This could happen today
*Religion and wars not relevant
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 5:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*reposts*
An inn? A saloon? A whore-house?
The old swimmin' hole?

*adds*
a bank?

Was this person robbing the joint? Going nuts Columbine style?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 5:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lisa (Dlcygnet)

An inn? Closest.
A saloon? No
A whore-house? No
The old swimmin' hole? No

*adds*
a bank? No

Was this person robbing the joint? Going nuts Columbine style? Nope.

*The people came to him
Paul S (Psdubl07)
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 10:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they aware of their fate beforehand?
Did they answer an ad?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 2:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

barbershop? if inn was closest, was it some other establishment where people would spend the night
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2005 - 12:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Paul S (Psdubl07)

Were they aware of their fate beforehand? No, well maybe the last one
Did they answer an ad? No

Jennifer (Tigger32382)

barbershop? No
if inn was closest, was it some other establishment where people would spend the night? Yes
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 2:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hotel? motel? b&b? was there a bad rainstorm going on?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 5:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Camping grounds? A shelter? A hostel?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 11:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jennifer (Tigger32382)

hotel? No
motel? No
b&b? I think it was this
was there a bad rainstorm going on? No

Lisa (Dlcygnet)

Camping grounds? No
A shelter? No
A hostel? No
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 2:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the killer own the b&b?
Paul S (Psdubl07)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 7:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmmm, they were killed on different dates. Does that mean that when one person was killed the others didn't realize what had happened?

Were the bodies disposed of? Somewhere other than on the grounds?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 3:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jennifer (Tigger32382)

did the killer own the b&b? It was never stated, but he probably does.

Paul S (Psdubl07)

Hmmm, they were killed on different dates. Yes
Does that mean that when one person was killed the others didn't realize what had happened? Yep.

Were the bodies disposed of? Dunno, irrelevant.
Somewhere other than on the grounds? Irrelevant.
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So basically we have a man in a bed and breakfast who chops up everyone who comes to stay there, until the final person who takes him out. What else do we need to discover at this point?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 3:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jennifer (Tigger32382)

So basically we have a man in a bed and breakfast who chops up everyone who comes to stay there, until the final person who takes him out. Correct.
What else do we need to discover at this point? Why? Remember, his sanity, is debatable.
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 3:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so we can't just pass it off as being a crazy person, right? there is actually a maybe plausible reason...?
does he believe the place is haunted? does he hear voices telling him to do this? is there some feature about the people who stop there that might justify his chopping? perhaps they are all criminals? or hunters with big guns? or they are all diseased?
Paul S (Psdubl07)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 5:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmmm, irrel that the bodies were disposed of, but how did subsequent people not know their fate if bodies were piling up?

Did he realize he was killing them? Did he know that he was going to kill each person who came in?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 10:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jennifer (Tigger32382)

so we can't just pass it off as being a crazy person, right? I don't think so.
there is actually a maybe plausible reason...? I would say so, although I'm sure people would disagree.
does he believe the place is haunted? No
does he hear voices telling him to do this? Nope, well, not stated, but improbable.
is there some feature about the people who stop there that might justify his chopping? Justify no? Some feature, yes.
perhaps they are all criminals? Nope.
or hunters with big guns? Nope.
or they are all diseased? Nope.

Paul S (Psdubl07)

Hmmm, irrel that the bodies were disposed of, but how did subsequent people not know their fate if bodies were piling up? b{I'm assuming not. It wasn't addressed or brought up. And the people still came.}

Did he realize he was killing them? I should think so, but I'm not sure.
Did he know that he was going to kill each person who came in? I don't think so.

There is a huge FA here. And some facts that might help, but wasn't asked.
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 12:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are the victims determined by their:
gender?
ethnicity?
age?
physical characteristics?
health?

are the victims alive until they are chopped up, or in other words, is the chopping the actual cause of death? If so, are they conscious at the time? Is any of this relevant?
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 6:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this happen in modern time? If not, in which century? (insert LTPF list of centuries)
Rachel (Myth)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 3:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do the victims do something that causes the killer to kill them? Or would he kill them regardless of their actions?
Paul S (Psdubl07)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 4:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he asked by the people who came to do something specific, and that something ended up killing them?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 6:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)

are the victims determined by their:
gender?
ethnicity?
age?
physical characteristics? Yes
health? No to rest.

are the victims alive until they are chopped up, or in other words, is the chopping the actual cause of death? Probably.
If so, are they conscious at the time? Is any of this relevant? I'm not sure, but they are not concious before the attack, but after the first blow, yes. Somewhat.

Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)

Does this happen in modern time? If not, in which century? (insert LTPF list of centuries) Way back. Something BC. Specific date not relevant.

Rachel (Myth)

Do the victims do something that causes the killer to kill them? Yes-ish.
Or would he kill them regardless of their actions? No, something must be fulfilled.

Paul S (Psdubl07)

Was he asked by the people who came to do something specific, and that something ended up killing them? Yes. And alittle more.
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 6:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

circumcision relevant?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 7:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)

circumcision relevant? No.
Paul S (Psdubl07)
Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They were asking him to perform some kind of surgery/amputation? And he was possibly blind and had real bad aim? lol
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 4:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Paul S (Psdubl07)

They were asking him to perform some kind of surgery/amputation? Nothing of that sort.
And he was possibly blind and had real bad aim? Sadly, I must say there is nothing true in this sentence.
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 4:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

human sacrifice relevant? when they laid down (on an altar of sorts???) and fell asleep, he chopped them up?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 8:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)

human sacrifice relevant? No
when they laid down (on an altar of sorts??? No to this ) and fell asleep, he chopped them up? Yes

Addressing a possible FA on the man's sanity. I'm pretty sure lots of people will say that he isn't sane at all. And I can see how they would say that. But the same can be said of Hitler, or Einstein, or Galileo. I think this is a tricky issue, and not easily discussed without revealing the whole thing.

It might help to figure out why I would argue against labelling him "insane."
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2005 - 10:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is religion relevant at all (either his or theirs?) Did they ask to be chopped up? did they have a physical deformity? is the relevant physical characteristic height? weight? eye color? hair color? size and shape of nose? health? size of feet? do they snore?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 1:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jennifer (Tigger32382)

Is religion relevant at all (either his or theirs?) No relevance.
Did they ask to be chopped up? No.
did they have a physical deformity? No, not in that sense.
is the relevant physical characteristic
height? Part this
weight? Alittle this
health? Somewhat this too
size of feet? Part this too
size and shape of nose? To a small extent, even this.
eye color?
hair color?
do they snore? no to rest
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 - 1:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rabrab
Is this by any chance about Procrustes and his lethal bed? YES!

Ok, Rabrab got it. So I'm gonna spoil it. Unless you knew the story, I don't think it would have been easy. And I've been itching to spoil it anywayz, this is my chance.

*************SPOILER!!!!!!!**************

About a month ago, I went to a theatre production of a Greek Myths with Procrustes. His story was that he was a owner of the "Fit Everyone Bed". He said that everyone who laid in his bed fit perfectly. But the thing he didn't say was that he made them fit. Which was where the ax came in. So he lured unsuspecting travelers to his bed for this. He also used a rack to stretch those too short as well.

It wasn't stated what he did with the bodies.
And it didn't even state that the people died. But I think it was assumed.
And his death was, by some hero doing tasks I believe, on his own bed.

I hope it all makes sense now. And thanks to everyone for sticking with it this whole time.

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