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| Jennifer (Tigger32382)
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Would Walter still enjoy a pizza, despite not liking actual tomatoes? he might... others in his situation did | ||
| Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
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Relevant that tomatoes were believed to be poisonous at one time? | ||
| Jennifer (Tigger32382)
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Relevant that tomatoes were believed to be poisonous at one time? YES!!! | ||
| Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
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So are we basically talking about how the introduction of pizza into a previously pizzaless culture debunked the "tomatoes be poisonous" myth? Do Ann and Walter represent real people? Or are they more representative of the two positions ("Them be poison!" vs. "These are Good Stuff™.")? | ||
| Jennifer (Tigger32382)
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So are we basically talking about how the introduction of pizza into a previously pizzaless culture debunked the "tomatoes be poisonous" myth? Do Ann and Walter represent real people? Or are they more representative of the two positions ("Them be poison!" vs. "These are Good Stuff™.")? yes, so far you are right. Ann and Walter represent the two positions... the last little thing to figure out about them is why they have the particular position they do. There is a reason that Ann likes them and Walter doesn't. | ||
| Ian (Image)
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Has Ann eaten pizza before? Has Walter? Has Ann eaten tomatoes? Has Walter? If Walter were to eat a tomatoe, would his point of view change? If he were to eat a pizza? | ||
| Jennifer (Tigger32382)
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Has Ann eaten pizza before? no Has Walter? no Has Ann eaten tomatoes? yes Has Walter? no If Walter were to eat a tomatoe, would his point of view change? depends... If he were to eat a pizza? yes | ||
| Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
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Social status of Ann and/or Walter relevant? Occupations? | ||
| Jennifer (Tigger32382)
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Social status of Ann and/or Walter relevant? yes! Occupations? only as it relates to social status | ||
| Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
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So Ann is part of the lower class of person: Does she own a tomato plant? Has she used tomatos in cooking before, and been regarded as a crackpot? Did the Pizza arrival change the entire dynamics of the country, and give those of a lesser class - those who used tomatos and realised the non-poisonous nature and potential for tasty pizzas - a chance to get ahead of those higher up? | ||
| Jennifer (Tigger32382)
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So Ann is part of the lower class of person: correct Does she own a tomato plant? irr Has she used tomatos in cooking before, probably and been regarded as a crackpot? no idea, irr Did the Pizza arrival change the entire dynamics of the country, yesish, although the word "entire" might be extreme and give those of a lesser class - those who used tomatos and realised the non-poisonous nature and potential for tasty pizzas - a chance to get ahead of those higher up? not this It would be more helpful to figure out why Walter thinks they're poisonous | ||
| Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
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Well, it was the common belief of the time, wasn't it? Or was it the common belief among the edumacated types only? | ||
| Jennifer (Tigger32382)
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Well, it was the common belief of the time, wasn't it? yes, but not for all Or was it the common belief among the edumacated types only? more to do with class than education, although i guess they might have gone hand in hand | ||
| Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
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Was it thought that only ignorant peasants would partake of the dreaded tomato? Was it thought that partaking of said foodstuff would make one stupid? Did someone of particularly high station develop a fondness for pizza, causing a turn-around in the fortunes of the berry (I believe that's the most accurate description, vs. fruit or veg., but I think berries are a subset of fruits)? Was Ann an immigrant? Relevant? | ||
| Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
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Hello? Anybody there? | ||
| Jennifer (Tigger32382)
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Was it thought that only ignorant peasants would partake of the dreaded tomato? no Was it thought that partaking of said foodstuff would make one stupid? no Did someone of particularly high station develop a fondness for pizza, causing a turn-around in the fortunes of the berry (I believe that's the most accurate description, vs. fruit or veg., but I think berries are a subset of fruits)? it wasn't one person, but basically, once pizza came into being, no one could resist so people started eating tomatoes Was Ann an immigrant? Relevant? no By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 10:06 pm: Hello? Anybody there? i'm here, but can only check sporadically as i'm a teacher and have to wait for my classes | ||
| Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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The education factor: was it that people of a certain education level or higher would be aware that the tomato plant was a relative of Deadly Nightshade? And that someone of less or no education would not be aware of that relationship? | ||
| Jennifer (Tigger32382)
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The education factor: was it that people of a certain education level or higher would be aware that the tomato plant was a relative of Deadly Nightshade? And that someone of less or no education would not be aware of that relationship? no... education isn't really relevant. it is about social class. I just figured that people of different social classes would have had access to different levels of education | ||
| Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
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So, to recap, Ann likes tomatoes, Walter believes they're poisonous, Ann is of a lower social class than Walter, and the arrival of the pizza and its subsequent popularity debunks the poison thing, right? Is Walter's specific position in society relevant? Noble? Peer o' the Realm-type? Is Ann's specific occupation/location relevant? Is there something about the plant itself that's relevant? The appearance? The requirements for successful cultivation? | ||
| Jennifer (Tigger32382)
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So, to recap, Ann likes tomatoes, Walter believes they're poisonous, Ann is of a lower social class than Walter, and the arrival of the pizza and its subsequent popularity debunks the poison thing, right? right Is Walter's specific position in society relevant? Noble? Peer o' the Realm-type? nope, just that he's upper class Is Ann's specific occupation/location relevant? no Is there something about the plant itself that's relevant? yes The appearance? The requirements for successful cultivation? but not these | ||
| Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
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Now I keep seeing the title as "Difference of onions"... Relevant factor about the plant--size? Texture? Shape of leaves? Where it grows? How fast it grows? Season in which it grows? | ||
| Jennifer (Tigger32382)
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Relevant factor about the plant--size? Texture? Shape of leaves? Where it grows? How fast it grows? Season in which it grows? no |
