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Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 5:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And here's my contribution to the spate of dead bodies in this forum...




Title: All brawn...

Difficulty: Easy

Type: Fiction -- inspired by comic strip

Story:
Because she changed her mind and reversed something, he died.

To Solve:
What happened?

Specialized Knowledge needed:
None needed

Good luck!
Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 7:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, did she reverse...
A vehicle?
A medical procedure?
A number?
The spelling of a word?
Words in a sentence?
Time?
The position of an object?

Did she want him dead? Did she know this reversal would lead to his death? Would this be considered murder? Manslaughter?
Did he commit suicide?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 7:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, did she reverse...
A vehicle?
A medical procedure?
A number?
The spelling of a word?
Words in a sentence?
Time?
The position of an object? None of these, sorry

Did she want him dead? No Did she know this reversal would lead to his death? No, but... Would this be considered murder? His death? Yes Manslaughter? No
Did he commit suicide? No
Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 7:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would SHE be considered a murderer? Or did her actions lead to another murdering him?
Were the man and woman related? Strangers? Enemies? Friends? Both adult humans?
Is a mirror involved?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 8:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would SHE be considered a murderer? No Or did her actions lead to another murdering him? Yes, but there's a bit of a FA in there....
Were the man and woman related? Yes Strangers? Enemies? Friends? Well, yes, and... Both adult humans? Yes
Is a mirror involved? No, but good thinking
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 8:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

husband and wife? was it another person who murdered him? contract killing relevant? did he die by gunshot? poison? being crushed? suffocated? burned? stabbed? frozen? drowned?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 8:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

husband and wife? Yes, they are husband and wife was it another person who murdered him? Yes contract killing relevant? No did he die by gunshot? poison? being crushed? suffocated? burned? stabbed? frozen? drowned? His exact cause of death is irrelevant, but for the sake of story completeness, let's say he was shot.
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 8:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did she reverse something she said? reverse as in change physical direction? just go from one thing to its opposite? was the other person related? did the other person intentionally murder the husband? adult? male? relevant?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 8:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did she reverse something she said? YES -- good question! reverse as in change physical direction? No just go from one thing to its opposite? No was the other person related? The murderer? No did the other person intentionally murder the husband? Yes adult? male? relevant? Irrelevant, but let's say he's an adult male for story's sake.
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 8:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did she say she would do something then change her mind? vice versa? did she say she was going to go somewhere then change her mind? vice versa? does the murderer know the husband?
Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 9:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the title relevant? Would "brain" also feature in this puzzle?
Did she make a promise then retract it? An offer? An apology? To her husband? To the murderer?
Did the murder take place with the intent of punishing the wife for changing her mind? Did the murderer intend to kill the wife?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 9:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she reverse what she was going to say? And thereby cause his death?

Did the woman know the murdered? Involved with him somehow? Was the dead man invovled with the murderer somehow? Is either the woman, or murderer deceased now? Relevant?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 10:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tigger32382

did she say she would do something then change her mind? vice versa? did she say she was going to go somewhere then change her mind? vice versa? does the murderer know the husband? No to all of these, sorry

Strongplacebo

Is the title relevant? Only peripherally so -- see next answer Would "brain" also feature in this puzzle? Yes, but only in the sense of the saying "no brains". You can try to explore why this is relevant to the puzzle if you wish, but the link is tenuous at best.
Did she make a promise then retract it? No An offer? No An apology? No To her husband? No To the murderer? No
Did the murder take place with the intent of punishing the wife for changing her mind? No Did the murderer intend to kill the wife? No

Vaetrus

Did she reverse what she was going to say? No, but this is in the right forest... And thereby cause his death? So no to this as well, but keep exploring along these lines.

Did the woman know the murdered? The murderer? No Involved with him somehow? No Was the dead man invovled with the murderer somehow? Well, other than the fact that he killed him, no Is either the woman, or murderer deceased now? No, they are both alive Relevant? Not really, no
Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 10:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, did she say something, change her mind, then say the reverse? Immediately afterwards? Or later? Length of time relevant?
Could the "no brains" tag be applied to her? Her husband? The murderer?
What she said, did she say to the husband? Murderer? Another party? If so, relevant who?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 10:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, did she say something, change her mind, then say the reverse? Yes Immediately afterwards? Or later? This one Length of time relevant? Yes -- say 5-10 minutes later
Could the "no brains" tag be applied to her? This one Her husband? The murderer?
What she said, did she say to the husband? Yes Murderer? No, but... Another party? No, but... If so, relevant who? Yes :)

I know the answer above may seem contradictory, but it's the least misleading way I can answer your questions.
Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo)
Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 11:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she make both statements to her husband? Just the original statement (OS)? Just the reversed statement (RS)?
Did the murderer overhear the OS? The RS? Both?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 12:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I know the answer above may seem contradictory, but it's the least misleading way I can answer your questions.lol, least misleading???

Did the wife do something along with her words?
Does the wife say anything to anyone else?
Anyone else relevant?

Did either statements involve the murderer? Husband? Herself?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 2:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the murderer overhear her talking? so she wasn't talking to him but he still knew what she said?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 3:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Strongplacebo

Did she make both statements to her husband? This one Just the original statement (OS)? Just the reversed statement (RS)?
Did the murderer overhear the OS? No The RS? YES -- Good question!! Both? So no to this

Vaetrus

I know the answer above may seem contradictory, but it's the least misleading way I can answer your questions.lol, least misleading???

Well, you'll see what I mean once this puzzle is solved...and it is actually quite close to being solved. :)

Did the wife do something along with her words? No
Does the wife say anything to anyone else? No, but see my answers to Ally above
Anyone else relevant? See previous answer

Did either statements involve the murderer? No Husband? Yes Herself? No

Tigger32382

did the murderer overhear her talking? Yes -- see my reply to Ally above so she wasn't talking to him but he still knew what she said? So yes to this as well
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 3:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did her reversal result in her husband being in the wrong-place-at-the-wrong-time kind of thing?

For example, did she change her mind about which flavor of ice cream she wanted and he had to go back to the store where he was killed during a robbery?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 3:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did her reversal result in her husband being in the wrong-place-at-the-wrong-time kind of thing? Yes, that's exactly it. :) Now, you just have to discover the details behind this "wrong-place-at-the-wrong-time"...however, be careful of potential mislead!

For example, did she change her mind about which flavor of ice cream she wanted and he had to go back to the store where he was killed during a robbery? Nothing like this, sorry
Ally McCabe (Strongplacebo)
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 7:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When wifey makes these statements, are she and her husband at home? In a shop? Another building? In the street? On some mode of transportation? Talking on the phone?