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Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 3:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Three men are seated at a table. A fourth man comes to the table with four cups of coffee. He evenly distributes the cups among them, then walks away with his cup accompanied by one of the men from the table. After the two men walk away, one of the men seated at the table mutters to the other one "Man, I can't stand coffee." "Me either," says the other man. They continue to sit at the table for a while, but do not speak to each other again or drink any coffee...what's going on?
Vesica (Vesica)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 3:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do all four men know each other?
As friends?
Relatives?
Co-workers?
Peers in a profession?
Business partners?

All human?

Is anyone besides the 4 men relevant?

Would this work with some other drink, say tea or whiskey?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 4:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do all four men know each other? No
As friends/Relatives/Co-workers/Peers in a profession/Business partners? No to all
All human? Yes
Is anyone besides the 4 men relevant? No
Would this work with some other drink, say tea or whiskey? Yes, conceivably, but I'd say there's a good reason that whiskey would not work
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 4:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the reason why coffee works and whiskey does not have to do with:
caffeine?
alcohol?
temperature?
serving size?
method of preparation?
popularity?

Is this table in a coffee shop? a restaurant? somewhere else where one might normally be drinking coffee?

Is the profession of any of the men relevant?

Would this work with four women? with a mixed male/female group?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 8:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the reason why coffee works and whiskey does not have to do with:
caffeine? No
alcohol? Yes
temperature? No
serving size? No
method of preparation? No
popularity? Well...perhaps
Is this table in a coffee shop? a restaurant? Neither of these
somewhere else where one might normally be drinking coffee? No, you probably wouldn't see much of it going on
Is the profession of any of the men relevant? No
Would this work with four women? with a mixed male/female group? Yes, it could work as well with either of these
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 8:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are these guys on duty? Is this during the work day? Are they on their lunch break? In a lunch room? At a conference?

Are free samples involved? Incompetant waiter/waitresses?

Any idiots involved in the making of this riddle?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is there a logical reason why the first guy brings coffee to all of them? does he know they don't like coffee?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 2:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it important why the two man walked away? They did it together?

Are they colleagues?

It wouldn't work with whiskey because everyone loves alcohol?
Vesica (Vesica)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 3:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anything to do with:
Coffee's freezing point?
The reflectivity of black coffee?

Is there something gross in the coffee?

Did any of them WANT coffee in the first place?
Were they ever intending to drink coffee?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 6:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do ANY of the four men know any of the other men?
Does any one else (relevant) know:
All four men?
The three sitting at the table?
The two that left together?
The two that remained?

is the type of coffee relevant? how it's made?
how it's served?
Is their environment relevant?
Are they:
Inside / Outside
urban / suburban / regional / rural environment?
in someones house? one of the men's?
in a vehicle? -> train? bus? plane? airship? ship? hovercraft? spaceship? submarine? any other sort of transport that is large enough to walk around in and sit at a table?
At a campsite / caravanpark / lake/river / natural preserve?
At a park having a picnic?
On a roof?
Other?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 6:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does any one else (relevant) know: etc means:
Is there some social connection between these men? Could someone else know all 4/3/2/2 men for the same reasons?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 2:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are these guys on duty? Rephrase
Is this during the work day? Yes
Are they on their lunch break? No
In a lunch room? At a conference? Neither
Are free samples involved? No
Incompetant waiter/waitresses? No
Any idiots involved in the making of this riddle? No, it just took one idiot to think it up and post it :)
is there a logical reason why the first guy brings coffee to all of them? Yes
does he know they don't like coffee? No
Is it important why the two man walked away? It's relevant
They did it together? Yes
Are they colleagues? No
It wouldn't work with whiskey because everyone loves alcohol? No, not due to this
Anything to do with:
Coffee's freezing point? No
The reflectivity of black coffee? No
Is there something gross in the coffee? No (unless you consider caffeine gross, but that's your problem ;) )
Did any of them WANT coffee in the first place? No
Were they ever intending to drink coffee? No - good q

do ANY of the four men know any of the other men?
No
Does any one else (relevant) know:
All four men?
The three sitting at the table?
The two that left together?
The two that remained?
Likely no to all
is the type of coffee relevant? No
how it's made? No
how it's served? One aspect of it, yes
Is their environment relevant? Yes
Are they:
Inside / Outside Inside
urban / suburban / regional / rural environment? Could be any, likely urban
in someones house? No one of the men's? No
in a vehicle? No-> train? bus? plane? airship? ship? hovercraft? spaceship? submarine? any other sort of transport that is large enough to walk around in and sit at a table? So no to these
At a campsite / caravanpark / lake/river / natural preserve? and none of these...
At a park having a picnic? not this either...
On a roof?
Other? Yes, 'other' is the word for it
Vesica (Vesica)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 4:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they:
At a cafe?
Restaurant?
Coffee shop?
Bookstore?

Public space?
Privately owned space?

Do they want some part of getting coffee?
The cups?
The saucers?
Sugar?
Cream?

Is the person who brought them coffee working at the place?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 4:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they:
At a cafe/Restaurant/Coffee shop/Bookstore? None of these
Public space? Yes
Privately owned space? No

Do they want some part of getting coffee? No-ish, but explore this
The cups? Same as above
The saucers?
Sugar?
Cream? These 3 are irrelevant

Is the person who brought them coffee working at the place? Yes
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 6:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the coffee-bringer's motive for bringing the coffee simply due to his working there, or is there more to it? (ulterior motive, undercover, etc.)

OR: is the coffee (or any of the related items) intended for some other purpose besides as a beverage?

Do the two men that walk away do so to perform a specific task? if so, is that task relevant?
Vesica (Vesica)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 7:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

More public spaces:
A bar?
A hotel lobby?
A sporting event?
A lounge?
A club of some sort?
A business office?

Are the other three men customers of some sort?

Is there any sort of rule about having to purchase something to...X (Where X is use the restroom, sit at the tables, something of that sort)?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 7:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the coffee-bringer's motive for bringing the coffee simply due to his working there no...
, or is there more to it? (ulterior motive, undercover, etc.) Yes, there's more to it

OR: is the coffee (or any of the related items) intended for some other purpose besides as a beverage? Yes

Do the two men that walk away do so to perform a specific task? Yes
if so, is that task relevant? Yes

More public spaces:
A bar?
A hotel lobby?
A sporting event?
A lounge?
A club of some sort? None of these
A business office? This is closest
Are the other three men customers of some sort? Well, you wouldn't refer to them as 'customers' although you have somewhat of the right idea
Is there any sort of rule about having to purchase something to...X (Where X is use the restroom, sit at the tables, something of that sort)? Ah, good thought, but not the case here. There's a small FA in this question that may help the progress of the puzzle if it is cleared up...
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 7:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

had any of the men actually purchased the coffee?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 8:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

had any of the men actually purchased the coffee?
No, good q
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 9:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they going to pay?

Do they have a purpose for the cups? For the liquid? If the coffee better than alcohol because of its chemical composition?

Does the temperature of the coffee matter?

Are the two leaving (Let's call them Jake and Shawn?), leaving the building? Going to another part of the building? To another room?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 9:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they going to pay? No
Do they have a purpose for the cups? Yes-ish (there is a purpose for them)
For the liquid? There is a purpose for this also
Is the coffee better than alcohol because of its chemical composition? I suppose it could be said that this is the case. It's hard to say that coffee is 'better' than alcohol because of this - some careful exploration will eventually reveal why this is the case
Does the temperature of the coffee matter? No
Are the two leaving (Let's call them Jake and Shawn?), leaving the building? Yes - good qGoing to another part of the building? To another room? Neither of these
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2005 - 9:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it very cold where they are?