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Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 11:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 09:22 pm:


Okay, I'll revive this one... Thanks!!! :O:O:O

We have a bunch of dead Malaysians, correct? yesish
They did not all die from the same cause, correct
but it's sort of like an epidemic of murders? yope--correct literally, but that terminology is not the most accurate
Did a water supply get poisoned, partly this
so lots of people were affected? lots of people were affected but there's a FA here
Were these people purposefully killed? FA or was it an unintended side effect?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 2:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

were lots of people affected by the poisoned water supply? did they die from the poisoned water supply? just get sick? did drinking poisoned water make them do something else? umm... did all the people die around the same time?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 4:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BLOOOOOOOOOPER ALERT!!!!!

Answer to 'Did a water supply get poisoned' should be

"NO TO YOPEish but irrelevant"


my apologies...
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 4:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did some food get poisoned? the fish supply? was there a terrorist group involved?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 8:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 04:25 pm:


did some food get poisoned? the fish supply? was there a terrorist group involved? none of these, beware FA
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 9:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

okay, backing up. poison is somewhat relevant, right? did somebody die from being poisoned? did someone attempt murder through poison? did the poison come from a person? was the poison food poisoning? was the poisoning deliberate?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 11:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 09:05 pm:


okay, backing up. poison is somewhat relevant, right?quite relevant! did somebody die from being poisoned? yes-ish, FA here!!! did someone attempt murder through poison? yesish, likely FA did the poison come from a person? yes was the poison food poisoning? no was the poisoning deliberate? yes
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 12:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was it an animal that died from being poisoned?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 1:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there some kind of mass suicide, like the People's Temple thing in Jonestown?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 3:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The FA's:
That there was only one person poisoned ('somebody')?
That the poisoned person(s) died from the poison? did the poison weaken? confuse? them and they died from some other cause?

That there was only one poisoner?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 4:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm going to interject a clarification here that may eliminate some of the more tedious questioning and give a better springboard from which to pursue this puzzle: there are 6 different "facets" to this puzzle, in chronological order. There are several different "characters" involved as well.

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 12:34 am:


was it an animal that died from being poisoned? yesish per your def. of 'animal', yes, and yes (facets 1,3, and 4, respectively of the puzzle) GOOD QUESTION!


By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 01:38 am:


Was there some kind of mass suicide, like the People's Temple thing in Jonestown? nothing like this

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 03:03 am:


The FA's:
That there was only one person poisoned ('somebody')? no... see above and explore
That the poisoned person(s) died from the poison?FA did the poison weaken? this is relevant to facet #3 confuse? no them and but..they died from some other cause? this led to facet #3's demise by facet 4

That there was only one poisoner? this is yesishly true, but not relevant to the FA. This fact is somewhat relevant to the puzzle itself, however...

Please bear with me on some of these responses. I tried to balance a straightforward response with one that wouldn't give too much away too soon. Keep exploring, and we'll pick this puzzle apart (at least) one fact at a time...
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 2:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So let's start with facet one, in which it was yesishly an animal that died from poison... was it an insect? A bird? A living organism like coral or something like that which wouldn't normally be thought of as an animal? did the poison straight out kill #1? Was the poison present in nature? Put there by a human? by another animal?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 3:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 02:19 pm:


So let's start with facet one, in which it was yesishly an animal that died from poison... was it an insect? this one!!! A bird? A living organism like coral or something like that which wouldn't normally be thought of as an animal? none of the rest did the poison straight out kill #1? yes Was the poison present in nature? Put there by a human? this one by another animal?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 4:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the human trying to kill the insect? (insects?) when the insect died, did this set off facet 2? relevant what kind of insect? some type of fly? mosquito?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 6:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 04:00 pm:


was the human trying to kill the insect? (insects? this one!) when the insect died, did this set off facet 2? when they died from the poison, this set facet 2 into motion relevant what kind of insect? some type of fly? mosquito? mosquitos--exactly!
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 7:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did facet two involve people dying? other animals dying? an animal that usually feeds on mosquitos? or was there a population boom of some species since there were no mosquitos to bite them? is there anything else we need to discover about facet one other than that the human (s)? killed the mosquitos, setting facet 2 into motion?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 10:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 07:23 pm:


did facet two involve people dying? no other animals dying? yesish for animal an animal that usually feeds on mosquitos? yesish for 'animal' or was there a population boom of some species since there were no mosquitos to bite them? nothing like this, though is there anything else we need to discover about facet one other than that the human (s)? killed the mosquitos, setting facet 2 into motion? who the people are and what the poison is are marginally relevant, in that it might steer your train of thought, but neither are 100% essential to solving this...
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 5:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Birds? fish? other insects? that normally feed on the mosquitos? did they die from lack of mosquitos, or did they die from residual poison from eating the poisoned mosquitos?

The people: farmers? homeowners? fishermen? government pest control agency?

The poison: DDT?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...and Rabrab comes in with her lateral sledgehammer!!!:O:O:O

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 05:05 am:

Birds? fish? other insects?<===this one that normally feed on the mosquitos? EXACTLY! did they die from lack of mosquitos,no, but... or did they die from residual poison from eating the poisoned mosquitos? not this either, but explore...

The people: farmers? homeowners? fishermen? government pest control agency? <====This one... the Malaysian government.

The poison: DDT? DING! DING! DING!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 2:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, so: Facet 1 is that the Malaysian government put a program in place to kill mosquitos with DDT. Is that all there is to it?

Facet 2, so far: Some other type of insect (that normally feeds on mosquitos,) also died because of the mosquito-poisoning project, but not exactly because of a lack of mosquitos, and not because they ate poisoned mosquitos.

So:
Did the second type of insect die as a direct result of the DDT application?
did they die because of a lack of mosquito larvae? of mosquito eggs?

Is the exact type of insect relevant? necessary to find out?

Is the residual toxic effect of DDT in particular vital? important? coincidental? to this chain of events?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 3:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 02:48 pm:


OK, so: Facet 1 is that the Malaysian government put a program in place to kill mosquitos with DDT. Is that all there is to it? pretty much it... Facet 1 complete.

Facet 2, so far: Some other type of insect (that normally feeds on mosquitos,) also died no because of the mosquito-poisoning project, but not exactly because of a lack of mosquitos, and not because they ate poisoned mosquitos. on the contrary....

So:
Did the second type of insect die as a direct result of the DDT application?
did they die because of a lack of mosquito larvae? of mosquito eggs? no to all, see above

Is the exact type of insect relevant? necessary to find out? yes to both... but to save the question, cockroaches...

Is the residual toxic effect of DDT in particular vital? important? coincidental? to this chain of events? It is indeed a rather important fact which will clarify the route this puzzle needs to take...
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 3:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so the cockroaches didn't die - did the ddt make them bigger? were there more of them? did it change the areas the cockroaches went to? did it change what the cockroaches fed on?