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Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 2:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the piece of equipment consistent with all the workers (all of them use the same kind of object)?
Is the object(s) a car/automobile?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 2:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 02:32 am:

Is the piece of equipment consistent with all the workers (all of them use the same kind of object)? I'm glad you added that :) All the workers do indeed use the same kind of object, and that kind of object is "a computer", so...

Is the object(s) a car/automobile? ...no
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 2:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the task started late because the computer was down? Because some maintenance was being completed? The size of the computer makes me wonder -- is it an old one with punch cards and vacuum tubes?

Did the computer say, "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 2:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 02:49 am:

Was the task started late because the computer was down? no Because some maintenance was being completed? no The size of the computer makes me wonder -- is it an old one with punch cards and vacuum tubes? good thinking :) The former, yes. The latter, no.

Did the computer say, "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"? in the days of punched cards, computers were not equipped with either the capacity to interpret speech not the capacity to reproduce it. In these days of battered male egos, neither is anything else.
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 3:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the 20 people programmers? Were the punch cards or their availability relevant to why they were late starting? Why that made it easier?

Was this the exact five minutes surrounding the introduction of the keyboard as an input device?
Rachel (Myth)
Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 4:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You two improve my day notably.
Was the delay caused by availability of technology? practicality (no reason to start now if it'll be easier in five minutes)? delay because it was impossible to start on time?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 2:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 03:21 am:

Were the 20 people programmers? most of them - the others aren't relevant Were the punch cards or their availability relevant to why they were late starting? no Why that made it easier? no

Was this the exact five minutes surrounding the introduction of the keyboard as an input device? no, but a most ingenious notion :)

By Rachel (Myth) on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 04:06 am:

You two improve my day notably we are thinking of going on tour. Thanks for the endorsement :)
Was the delay caused by availability of technology? no practicality (no reason to start now if it'll be easier in five minutes)? no delay because it was impossible to start on time? well, programmers cannot start doing anything until the coffee is ready. On this occasion, however, it was ready on time.
Kristoffer Dominique Albeus (Kristoffer)
Posted on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 5:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

FYOI? or real one? may happen in real life?

any relevant person? place? object? animal? time? event? idea? reason?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 12:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Kristoffer Dominique Albeus (Kristoffer) on Friday, December 09, 2005 - 05:03 pm:

FYOI? I have none or real one? this one may happen in real life? it did

any relevant person? there are about 20 relevant people, who are computer programmers place? no object? some computers animal? no time? yes event? yes idea? yes, for svv of "idea" reason? yes
Kristoffer Dominique Albeus (Kristoffer)
Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 4:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did their do their job on the same place? is this relevant?

is their job creating a program? planning? designing? coding? debugging? writing a documentation? is this relevant?

specific time relevant? about what time of day.. is it morning? noon? afternoon? evening? midnight? dawn? is this relevant?

from the 20 relevant people, are there someone who should be noted? like "one guy said that.. ", "then another answered.. " if yes how many? [insert LPTF list of integers from 1..20]. or the same thing things happened to all of them and nobody special needs to be noted?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 9:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This computer, is it in place for a specific/relevant research department/business?
If so:
Meteorology?
Seismology?
Astonomy?
NASA Space Programme?
Chemistry?
Police Department?
Telephone interchange?
Bank?
Lorenz attractors? (and other chaotic mathematic images)
Television?
Acedemia?
or computer development?

Does five minutes involve numbering/sorting out their cards while they were being punched out?

Or on the other side, not assuming that they were in order to begin with and were found to be right when they sat for five minutes and sorted them?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 10:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Kristoffer Dominique Albeus (Kristoffer) on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 04:20 pm:

did their do their job on the same place? yes is this relevant? not really

is their job creating a program? this one planning? designing? coding? and this one debugging? and this one writing a documentation? no programmer has ever done that is this relevant?

specific time relevant? yes about what time of day.. is it morning? this one noon? afternoon? evening? midnight? and close to this one dawn? is this relevant? yes

from the 20 relevant people, are there someone who should be noted? like "one guy said that.. ", "then another answered.. " no if yes how many? [insert LPTF list of integers from 1..20]. or the same thing things happened to all of them and nobody special needs to be noted? this is much more the sort of thing

By Benjamin Moore (Zenith) on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 09:28 am:


This computer, is it in place for a specific/relevant research department/business? this one
If so:
Meteorology?
Seismology?
Astonomy?
NASA Space Programme?
Chemistry?
Police Department?
Telephone interchange? this one, if I understand the question correcly
Bank?
Lorenz attractors? (and other chaotic mathematic images)
Television?
Acedemia?
or computer development?

Does five minutes involve numbering/sorting out their cards while they were being punched out? no

Or on the other side, not assuming that they were in order to begin with and were found to be right when they sat for five minutes and sorted them? no - the fact that we used punched cards in those days is irrelevant
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 1:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We? Were you involved in this incident?

Was the reason for starting late related to the reason the jobs became easier, or was it simply a coincidence?

Would starting five minutes later have made the job easier still?

Would the job have stayed easier forever once the five minutes had elapsed, or was there a finite window?

Does anyone have any puzzles that involve neither a five-minute delay nor starting a job late, or have the permutations not yet been exhausted?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 1:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 01:38 pm:

We? yes - English first person plural, used in the singular by royalty, but not so employed here Were you involved in this incident? yes

Was the reason for starting late related to the reason the jobs became easier, there was no particular reason for starting late, except that we hadn't got back from the pub or was it simply a coincidence? yesish

Would starting five minutes later have made the job easier still? no

Would the job have stayed easier forever once the five minutes had elapsed, or was there a finite window? given that it had to start within, say, a couple of hours of the time it did start, I think the answer is that there was a finite window. But I do not have any experience of infinite windows.

Does anyone have any puzzles that involve neither a five-minute delay nor starting a job late, I believe so or have the permutations not yet been exhausted? perhaps not
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 1:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it New Year's Day?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 2:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 01:58 pm:

Was it New Year's Day? no, but good thinking
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 3:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it an overnight job? Is this relevant?

Is it relevant (correct?) that the computer was operated by and for the telephone company?

Was the job less work? The same amount but easier? Did it take less time?

Did the sojourn in the pub make the job seemeasier, in that you were less likely to be distracted by/notice unnecessary/any details?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 4:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 03:41 pm:

Was it an overnight job? yesish Is this relevant? only insofar as it meant that it involved the period around midnight

Is it relevant (correct?) that the computer was operated by and for the telephone company? it is correct. It is not all that relevant - soemthing like this could have happened had the business for which the computer was used been other than the operations of a telephone company. But this was not the case.

Was the job less work? no The same amount but easier? yes Did it take less time? yes

Did the sojourn in the pub make the job seem easier, yes - you can't write assembly-level patches while sober. At least, no one has ever tried. in that you were less likely to be distracted by/notice unnecessary/any details? no
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 4:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had you gone down the pub because you had to wait for something else to happen before you could begin your job? Did another task? activity? event? other? have to be completed? Did a certain hour need to be reached?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 4:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 04:12 pm:

Had you gone down the pub because you had to wait for something else to happen before you could begin your job? no - we had gone down the pub because that is what programmers do when the pub is open Did another task? activity? event? other? have to be completed? not really Did a certain hour need to be reached? no, but...
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 4:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK...so you lot stagger back from the pub, probably singing quite loudly, arrive back at the building, somehow find the room where you are supposed to do your work, and find that soemthing about the job has become easier than usual? easier than expected?

Was this job similar in most? all? respects to one you had to do regularly? Was it some property of the job that created the possibility of the job becoming easier? Some property of the time? the date? the people? equipment? other?

Was last call at about 11? Is it relevant that it took you about an hour to make your way back to the office?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 5:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Sunday, December 11, 2005 - 04:58 pm:

OK...so you lot stagger back from the pub we got a fleet of taxis in perfectly orderly fashion probably singing quite loudly we did no such thing. Real programmers do not sing. arrive back at the building yes somehow find the room where you are supposed to do your work it was where we left it and find that soemthing about the job has become easier than usual? no easier than expected? no

Was this job similar in most? yes all? no respects to one you had to do regularly? Was it some property of the job that created the possibility of the job becoming easier? yes Some property of the time? yes the date? yes the people? no equipment? no other? no

Was last call at about 11? yes Is it relevant that it took you about an hour to make your way back to the office? no