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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 1:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

American universities used to be somewhat anti-semitic in their hiring of faculty, but this gradually ended in the 1940's & 1950's. Keeping the puzzle title in mind, how come??
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 2:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were any relevant federal laws passed? state laws? Is it relevant which universities they are? Does Rosa Parks play a relevant part in this puzzle?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 2:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Though the Holocaust itself isn't relevant, is World War 2 in general? America's involvement in the war? Any other country's involvement (or lack of involvement)? The German Nazi Party? The American Nazi Party? The Klu Klux Klan?
Harley Quinn (Harley)
Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 2:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the bias intentional? Did they do it for a reason related to teaching? Did it have to do with Jewish names?
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 3:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are we looking for the reason they were somewhat antisemitic? or the reason why they stopped being so?
or were they unintentionally antisemitic and we are looking for how this came about?
Drew Sollenberger (Sollen)
Posted on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 4:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

were they activly trying to avoid jewish individuals because they were jewish? because they hated jewish people themselves? or because there was something such as a practice or belife maintained by jewish people that made them not as desireable as faculty?

and for a random guess; did Einstine make everyone think of jewish individuals as being really really smart and thus good graduates? would Einstine be at all important to this puzzle?

p.s Go Einstin!
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Sunday, January 01, 2006 - 2:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Not "Einstine". For well it was said by the bard:

There's a notable family Stein -
There's Gertrude, there's Ep, and there's Ein.
Gert's prose is all bunk,
Ep's sculpture is junk,
And no one can understand Ein!
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Sunday, January 01, 2006 - 4:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Manhatten project relevant (although why the government would make such a big deal out of a secret plan to invent a cocktail I still don't know)?
Ostap Bender (Ostap)
Posted on Monday, January 02, 2006 - 8:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the idea to attract Jewish researchers from abroad? from the Soviet Union? from Israel?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 1:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ed Mason (Logician) on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 02:09 pm:

Were any relevant federal laws passed? no state laws? no Is it relevant which universities they are? no Does Rosa Parks play a relevant part in this puzzle? no--she came later

By Ed Mason (Logician) on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 02:11 pm:

Though the Holocaust itself isn't relevant, is World War 2 in general? no America's involvement in the war? no Any other country's involvement (or lack of involvement)? no The German Nazi Party? no The American Nazi Party? no The Klu Klux Klan? no

By Harley Quinn (Harley) on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 02:34 pm:

Was the bias intentional? yes Did they do it for a reason related to teaching? I don't know
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 1:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did it have to do with Jewish names? no

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 03:25 pm:

are we looking for the reason they were somewhat antisemitic? no or the reason why they stopped being so? yes
or were they unintentionally antisemitic and we are looking for how this came about? no

By Drew Sollenberger (Sollen) on Saturday, December 31, 2005 - 04:26 pm:

were they activly trying to avoid jewish individuals because they were jewishb{irrel} because they hated jewish people themselves? irrel or because there was something such as a practice or belife maintained by jewish people that made them not as desireable as faculty? no. The precise reason for the prejudice is irrel--I'm not sure what it was anyway--except that, as with all racisms, it wasn't reasonable

and for a random guess; did Einstine make everyone think of jewish individuals as being really really smart and thus good graduates? no. American univs. would have been in for a colossal disappointment--most Jewish faculty are as far from being Einstein as are most non-Jewish faculty would Einstine be at all important to this puzzle? no

p.s Go Einstin!
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 11:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the universities end their anti-semitic bias because Jewish academics looked more attractive as potential faculty members? because they realized that this form of discrimination was wrong? because they realized that this form of discrimination made them look bad?

Is any other form of discrimination relevant? discrimination against blacks? against women? against immigrants?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 2:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I read about a huge anti-semetic trend following WWI... something about a reverse quota system... even Princeton would only allow a maximum of 3% of its student body to be jewish. As for professors... if they "looked" Jewish they often had to have a note in their record explaining it. Something like "and is from Belgium, not jewish."

But everything I've read suggested that guilt over what happened in WWII is what changed the direction this was headed... but it all got mixed in with the racial civil rights movements.

This trend you're suggesting is seperate from WWII completely? Was it for one particular school? For all schools? At all related to the expansion of most universities and colleges after WWII? GI bill relevant? (That's what most people contribute to universities becoming more for the common person and doubling or tripling enrollment.) Was it simply the fact that the universities needed all the professors they could get and could no longer afford to be so discriminating?
Alan (Alan)
Posted on Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 7:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it because a lot of Jews fled Germany to usa, and a lot of American faculty joined the forces? So there was a shortage?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Johanna (Buzzard) on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 - 11:13 am:

Did the universities end their anti-semitic bias because Jewish academics looked more attractive as potential faculty members? yes because they realized that this form of discrimination was wrong? no because they realized that this form of discrimination made them look bad? yope

Is any other form of discrimination relevant? no discrimination against blacks? no--that ended much later against women?dittoagainst immigrants? no

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 02:26 pm:

I read about a huge anti-semetic trend following WWI... something about a reverse quota system... even Princeton would only allow a maximum of 3% of its student body to be jewish. As for professors... if they "looked" Jewish they often had to have a note in their record explaining it. Something like "and is from Belgium, not jewish." I didn't say the anti-semitic discrimination ended against students--just faculty. And it probably didn't end ayt all universities & completely (although it has by now)

But everything I've read suggested that guilt over what happened in WWII is what changed the direction this was headed... but it all got mixed in with the racial civil rights movements. no--this is a different factor

This trend you're suggesting is seperate from WWII completely? completely!! Was it for one particular school? no For all schools? the great majority, certainly At all related to the expansion of most universities and colleges after WWII? yesish GI bill relevant? no(That's what most people contribute to universities becoming more for the common person and doubling or tripling enrollment.) Was it simply the fact that the universities needed all the professors they could get and could no longer afford to be so discriminating? no--they still did discriminate againsat women & blacks & people over 65)

By Alan (Alan) on Wednesday, January 04, 2006 - 07:00 pm:

Was it because a lot of Jews fled Germany to usa, and a lot of American faculty joined the forces? no. This w3as after WW II So there was a shortage? no

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Ostap Bender (Ostap)
Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 8:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Please my questions of January 02, 2006 - 08:29 am.
Was the Cold War relevant? Was the idea to attract Jewish researchers from the Soviet Union and other communist countries?
(coming myself from a region where the Jewish population dropped from 35% to 1% within one century!)
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 8:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ostap Bender (Ostap) on Monday, January 02, 2006 - 08:29 am:

Was the idea to attract Jewish researchers from abroad? no from the Soviet Union? no from Israel? no By Ostap Bender (Ostap) on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 08:23 am:

Please my questions of January 02, 2006 - 08:29 am. Done, with my apology for the oversight
Was the Cold War relevant? no Was the idea to attract Jewish researchers from the Soviet Union and other communist countries? no
(coming myself from a region where the Jewish population dropped from 35% to 1% within one century!)
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 5:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did these jewish professors have a good incentive for working for these schools? Did the schools have good incentive for hiring these professors? Was the bigotry still present despite the apparent change of heart? Were the schools forced to make this change? Voluntary? Ignoring civil rights laws that would come into play, would there have been negative consequences for the schools had they not agreed to change their hiring practices? For the professors? For the students? For the general populace? For the country? For buisnesses? For the military? For the world?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 7:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 05:34 pm:

Did these jewish professors have a good incentive for working for these schools? irrel Did the schools have good incentive for hiring these professorsyes Was the bigotry still present despite the apparent change of heart? possibly Were the schools forced to make this change? no Voluntary? yes Ignoring civil rights laws that would come into play, would there have been negative consequences for the schools had they not agreed to change their hiring practices? yes For the professors? yes For the students? yes For the general populace?possibly For the country? ditto For buisnesses?ditto For the military? ditto For the world? ditto

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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 10:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

HINT: The explanation is a crass, practical one.
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 10:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They needed Jewish Professors to teach new classes like Jewish studies and Jewish history?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 10:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 10:51 pm:

They needed Jewish Professors to teach new classes yesish like Jewish studies no and Jewish history no?
Lauri Ahonen (Klaivu)
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 12:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

.. hebrew?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 6:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lauri Ahonen (Klaivu) on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 12:01 am:

.. hebrew? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 7:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Israel relevant? Paleontology? Egyptology?

Did the (new) Jewish professors have some kind of access that gentiles did not?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 7:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The classes they taught... related to...
Medicine?
Circumcision?
Something faith related?
Math?
English?
History?
Art?
Religion?
Language?
Science?
Engineering?
Architecture?
Social Studies?
Other?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 07:29 pm:

The classes they taught... related to...
Medicine? no
Circumcision? no
Something faith related? no
Math? no
English? no
History? no
Art? no
Religion? no
Language? no
Science? no
Engineering? no
Architecture? no
Social Studies?well, I'm not sure exactly what you mean here, but it's sociology & (especially) psychology
Other? see above
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 12:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

:( You're missing my questions...
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 3:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they having Jewish Professors teach about the psychology of racism and bigotry?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Sunday, January 01, 2006 - 04:08 pm:

Manhatten project relevant (although why the government would make such a big deal out of a secret plan to invent a cocktail I still don't know):))? no
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 07:14 pm:

Israel relevant? no Paleontology? no Egyptology? no

Did the (new) Jewish professors have some kind of access that gentiles did not? no
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 12:42 am:

You're missing my questions... Answered, with my apologies

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 03:04 am:

Were they having Jewish Professors teach about the psychology of racism and bigotry? too specific but ORT (on right track)
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 6:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the Jewish professors teaching ethics? or cultural studies courses?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 7:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 06:23 pm:

Were the Jewish professors teaching ethics? no or cultural studies courses? "Cultural studies is a new field; it didn't exist as such in the 1940's & 1950's. That can count as a semi-hint, by the way.)
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
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Were they teaching Russian? Iron Curtain relevant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 08:01 pm:

Were they teaching Russian? no. We've already established that they were teaching sociology & (especially) psychology Iron Curtain relevant? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 2:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Post-war influx of GIs into college relevant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
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By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 02:27 pm:

Post-war influx of GIs into college relevant? no

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Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 9:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did a particular area of study within sociology/psychology became more popular? Were there more/better job opportunities for people with that sort of education? Did an existing profession have new requirements in the subjects taught by the jewish professors? Did non-jews teach the same subjects?

Was there a particular person/movement in psychology in which these people had expertise?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 7:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 09:02 pm:

Did a particular area of study within sociology/psychology became more popular? yope Were there more/better job opportunities for people with that sort of education? yesish Did an existing profession have new requirements in the subjects taught by the jewish professors? no Did non-jews teach the same subjects? much less

Was there a particular person/movement in psychology in which these people had expertise? no
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 8:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Freud was Jewish, Adler was Jewish, Melanie Klein was Jewish....

Is it simply that they had to start hiring Jews because such a large percentage of psychologists were Jewish?
The universities had to hire Jews to teach psychology for the simple reason that there wasn't anybody else?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 11:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Faben (Bentarm) on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 08:40 am:

Freud was Jewish, Adler was Jewish, Melanie Klein was Jewish....

Is it simply that they had to start hiring Jews because such a large percentage of psychologists were Jewish? yes
The universities had to hire Jews to teach psychology for the simple reason that there wasn't anybody else? Well, few
***** SPOILER *************

According to a book on sociology of education, anti-semitism in American university faculty hiring met its downfall after World War II because of the rise of sociology & )especially) psychology as academic disciplines. These fields were so heavily Jewish that a university that wouldn't hire Jews would find it hasrd to have a sociology dept & almost impossible to have a psychology dept. Sorry it was so easy, but there's a harder one you-know-where

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