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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 11:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When Orla telephoned an organization to see whether it had received her dues, she was unpleasantly surprised, even though her dues had been received, no more money was due, & the organization was unchanged & was not trying to expel her. How come??
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 2:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The organization was not what she thought it was?

Had she wanted to leave the organization?

Had she hoped they wouldn't cash the check?

Relevant how she paid (cash, check, credit etc.)?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 2:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant that she telephoned rather than writing her request or appearing in person (whether that would be practical or not)?
Had she sent a cheque? Relevant?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 2:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Apologies for that - Tim's post wasn't there when I started to reply
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 5:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 02:25 pm:

The organization was not what she thought it was? no

Had she wanted to leave the organization? no

Had she hoped they wouldn't cash the check no

Relevant how she paid (cash, check, credit etc.)? no

By Katy (Katy) on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 02:26 pm:

Is it relevant that she telephoned rather than writing her request possibly or appearing in person (whether that would be practical or not) no?
Had she sent a cheque? irrel Relevant? no

By Katy (Katy) on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 02:28 pm:

Apologies for that - Tim's post wasn't there when I started to reply Man was never formed that all times might attain, but sometime he was put to the worse by mal-fortune
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 7:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it relevant what the organization was? would this work for other organizations that she is a member of?
is the organization political? charitable? to do with her job? her education? her hobbies? her finances? her health?

the unpleasant surpise: had something bad happened that she wasn't expecting? or was it going to happen? or threatening to happen? had something good failed to happen? was the unpleasant thing a loss of money in any way? a loss of opportunity? a loss of reputation?

had she somehow been categorized in an unpleasant way? had an assumption been made about her by the organization? which she didn't agree with?

was there any misunderstanding? on her part? their part?

did she become aware of some sort of obligation she now had? that she wasn't expecting?

had anything criminal happened? immoral?

is it relevant who took her call? relevant whether a male or female? if she had rung at a different time would she still have got the surprize?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 6:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 07:08 pm:

is it relevant what the organization was?one background fact about the organization is relevant would this work for other organizations that she is a member of? possibly some
is the organization political? charitable? to do with her job? her education? her hobbies? her finances? her health? all are irrel

the unpleasant surpise: had something bad happened that she wasn't expecting? yesish or was it going to happen? no or threatening to happen? had something good failed to happen? no was the unpleasant thing a loss of money in any way? no a loss of opportunity? no a loss of reputation? no

had she somehow been categorized in an unpleasant way? noish had an assumption been made about her by the organization? no which she didn't agree with? no

was there any misunderstanding? no on her part? no their part? no

did she become aware of some sort of obligation she now had? no that she wasn't expecting?N/A

had anything criminal happened{no} immoral? no

is it relevant who took her call? no relevant whether a male or female? no if she had rung at a different time would she still have got the surprize? yes
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 7:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the organisation fully understand what she was calling to ask? Did they answer the question exactly as she intended it?
For some reason, I imagine they believe it is a bequest from a will:

Did you receive my money?
I'll just look it up Madam, how long ago did you die?
Drew Sollenberger (Sollen)
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 1:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did she get an automated message? which said or implyed something she wasn't expecting? does it mater if she got a human individual or automated message?

did she get through to them or discover that their phone was dead/the number was changed?

did the surprise come in the form of something said to her by a living person? Did the presumed living person know it would suprise her? wish to inform/warn her? did the person refer to her using a different name/title? was she unable to do something on the phone she expected to?

if surprise didn't come from a person then did it come from: a machine or automated responce? a sound in the backround? something differnet about this phone call then previous ones?

important she was calling about dues? could she be calling for any reason? is the accepting of her dues, cost of her dues, or any other issue involving the payment of her dues lead to the surprise?


did she learn that a friend of hers(who was suppose to answer phones for this orginization) was fired when another person answered the phone?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 6:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Katy (Katy) on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 07:17 pm:

Did the organisation fully understand what she was calling to ask? yes Did they answer the question exactly as she intended it? yesish
For some reason, I imagine they believe it is a bequest from a will: no

Did you receive my money? Well, the question was, "Did you receive my dues?"
I'll just look it up Madam, how long ago did you die? no, & besides, wouldn't most people find that amusing rather than distressing?? I would!!

By Drew Sollenberger (Sollen) on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 01:39 am:

did she get an automated message? no which said or implyed something she wasn't expecting? the person she spoke to did this does it mater if she got a human individual or automated message?yes

did she get through to them or discover that their phone was dead/the number was changed? no

did the surprise come in the form of something said to her by a living person? yes Did the presumed living person know it would suprise her? no wish to inform/warn her? nodid the person refer to her using a different name/title? no was she unable to do something on the phone she expected to? no

if surprise didn't come from a person then did it come from: a machine or automated responce? N/A a sound in the backround? N/Asomething differnet about this phone call then previous ones? N/A

important she was calling about dues? no could she be calling for any reason? spme other reasons would work & some would not is the accepting of her dues, no cost of her dues, no or any other issue involving the payment of her dues lead to the surprise no?


did she learn that a friend of hers(who was suppose to answer phones for this orginization) was fired when another person answered the phone? no
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 7:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the person who answered the phone imply that they weren't impressed with her? Is this one of those charitable organisations where they have a "suggested donation" for membership? Had she donated less than suggested?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 7:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Katy (Katy) on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 07:51 am:

Did the person who answered the phone imply that they weren't impressed with her? no Is this one of those charitable organisations where they have a "suggested donation" for membership? no Had she donated less than suggested? no
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 7:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the relevant fact about the organisation: its purpose? Its structure? Someone who works for it?
How often the dues are collected?

So the conversation went along the lines of:

"Hello, my name is Orla ..., did you receive my dues this month? year?"
"Yes"

Is the relevant bit to why she was unpleasantly surprised something that was said after / instead of "Yes"?
Or could the conversation have been exactly as above, but other factors caused her surprise?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 1:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Katy (Katy) on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 07:42 am:

Is the relevant fact about the organisation: its purpose? no Its structure? no Someone who works for it? no
How often the dues are collected? no

So the conversation went along the lines of:

"Hello, my name is Orla ..., did you receive my dues this month? year?" yes
"Yes" no

Is the relevant bit to why she was unpleasantly surprised something that was said after / instead of "Yes"? instead
Or could the conversation have been exactly as above, but other factors caused her surprise? no

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Katy (Katy)
Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 1:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the answer:
We recived them?
We received your dues?
We received your cheque?
We've spent them?
Or anything along those lines?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 11:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Katy (Katy) on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 01:44 pm:

Was the answer:
We recived them? possibly, but something else was also said
We received your dues? ditto
We received your cheque? ditto
We've spent them? no
Or anything along those lines? see above
Tony (E20)
Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 11:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Before she rang, did Orla have a particular reason to believe her dues might not have been received?

Were the dues paid weekly? monthly? yearly? ...

Had the dues been received on previous occasions? Had there been problems with the dues previously?

Did the organisation provide a service? Was she expecting goods to be delivered? Which had not arrived?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 7:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tony (E20) on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 11:52 am:

Before she rang, did Orla have a particular reason to believe her dues might not have been received? irrel

Were the dues paid weekly? ditto monthly? ditto yearly? ditto ...

Had the dues been received on previous occasions?irrel Had there been problems with the dues previously?irrel

Did the organisation provide a service? irrel Was she expecting goods to be delivered? irrel Which had not arrived? irrel
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 7:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the unpleasant surprise relate to a person? people? Money? Ethics?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 11:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Katy (Katy) on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 07:24 pm:

Did the unpleasant surprise relate to a person? yes people? yesMoney no Ethics? no
Drew Sollenberger (Sollen)
Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 5:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the unpleasent news about her directly? someone she knew? about the orginization as a whole?

relevant what orginization this iws?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 8:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Drew Sollenberger (Sollen) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 05:00 pm:

was the unpleasent news about her directly? yes someone she knew? no about the orginization as a whole? noish

relevant what orginization this iws? one background fact about it is relevant
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 9:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the relevant fact about the organization's age? membership? procedures? purpose? history? size? location?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 09:08 pm:

Is the relevant fact about the organization's age? no membership? see later procedures? no purpose? no history? no size? yes location?no

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Katy (Katy)
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 10:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she told something about her membership - you are the oldest member? Newest member?
Drew Sollenberger (Sollen)
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 3:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the orginization very small? very large? just right according to goldilocks?

did the orginization hit a milestone in size? or was it getting smaller?

was she realize that the individual knew her by name and that she had received her dues without looking it up which ment the orginization was particularly small?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 6:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she told something about her membership noish - you are the oldest member? no Newest member? no

By Drew Sollenberger (Sollen) on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 03:46 pm:

was the orginization very small? very unlikely very large? probably just right according to goldilocks? the org. is probably large

did the orginization hit a milestone in size? no or was it getting smaller? irrel

was she realize that the individual knew her by name and that she had received her dues without looking it up which ment the orginization was particularly small? no
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 7:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the individual fail to recognize her? because the organization was so large and has so many members? was she expecting to be recognized? by her voice? by her name? was she well known or famous? was she in an important position in the organization?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 10:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 07:49 pm:

Did the individual fail to recognize her? yope because the organization was so large and has so many members?noish was she expecting to be recognized? yesish by her voice? no by her name? yesish was she well known or famous? no was she in an important position in the organization? no
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 5:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

HINT: I'm Orla.
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 8:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the LTPF relevant?
Were you expecting your name to be recognised as a writer? Was the organisation one you had previously been very involved in, and so you thought it would be strange they wouldn't recognise you? Had you recently done something news-worthy, and thought it would have been noticed by the organisation?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 11:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you think your name was unique and it wasn't, after all?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 8:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Katy (Katy) on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 08:48 am:

Is the LTPF relevant? no
Were you expecting your name to be recognised as a writer? no. I hope I never get THAT conceited!! Was the organisation one you had previously been very involved in, and so you thought it would be strange they wouldn't recognise you? no Had you recently done something news-worthy, and thought it would have been noticed by the organisation? no

By Lynne (Lynne) on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 11:56 pm:

Did you think your name was unique and it wasn't, after all? Yes!!
*** SPOILER *************
When Orla telephoned the Orange Cat Society & said, "I'm Orla Smith. Did you receive my dues?" she was dismayed by the reply, "Where do you live? We have 2 Orla Smiths." This happened to me while my name was still Felicia Ackerman. I was amazed, but now I'm completely safe. How could it ever happen to Felicia Nimue Ackerman? Thanks for solving it Lynne, & please see my new puzzle you-know-where.
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Sunday, February 05, 2006 - 11:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Your entire middle name might not be necessary. Even just your middle initial might be enough to distinguish you.
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 2:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good puzzle, I didn't mean to imply you were conceited, I thought this may be an organisation where you were an active participant (whereas before I had stuck in my head that it was a charity with thousands of near-anonymous donors) - after all if it were a running association and you had just won the marathon you would be slightly irritated if you rang up and they completely failed to mention the fact! :)

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