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Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 11:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a miniature axe? Ornamental? Jewellery?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 11:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a miniature axe? Ornamental? Jewellery? None of these
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 11:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the relevant property of the axe the materials used to make it? Its size? Something else?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 11:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the relevant property of the axe the materials used to make it? This, as as side effect of... Its size? Something else? ...this
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 11:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So it's much bigger than a normal axe?
Is it made primarily of wood and metal?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 12:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So it's much bigger than a normal axe? No, what I meant was the relevant property is "the materials used to make it", as a side effect of "something else". Size is not relevant, and is rather ordinary.
Is it made primarily of wood and metal? Yope
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 12:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it contain wood? Metal? Plastic? Glass? Organic material?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 12:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it contain wood? Yes Metal? No Plastic? No Glass? No Organic material? Apart from the wood? Difficult to answer, but I'll chance a "no".
Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 4:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the axe sink when it was thrown into the lake?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 4:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the axe made up of handle and head in the usual way? (as you can tell, I'm an expert!) Is the head made of wood?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 7:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the head made of flint?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 9:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ian (Image) on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 04:19 pm:


Did the axe sink when it was thrown into the lake? Yes

By Katy (Katy) on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 04:59 pm:


Is the axe made up of handle and head in the usual way? Well, for svv of "usual" yes. But probably "no". (as you can tell, I'm an expert!) Wow! An axe expert in our midst! So why are you throwing your life away programming computers? (:
Is the head made of wood? No. See below

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 07:47 pm:


Is the head made of flint? Yes! Good question! Flint or obsidian.
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 1:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could the man have achieved the same effect by just throwing the head of the axe into the lake? Just the handle?
Did he throw it into the lake in order to prevent someone from using it? himself?
Is it relevant that the head of the axe is flint? Could he have achieved the same effect if the axe had a metal head?
The axe was used for chopping wood - by the man? Someone else? Did this chopping would directly damage the man's financial situation?
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 3:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a prehistoric axe? was it some type of archaelogical discovery?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 6:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Faben (Bentarm) on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 01:53 pm:


Could the man have achieved the same effect by just throwing the head of the axe into the lake? Maybe Just the handle? No
Did he throw it into the lake in order to prevent someone from using it? Noish himself? No
Is it relevant that the head of the axe is flint? Well, yes Could he have achieved the same effect if the axe had a metal head? Difficult to answer. I'll say no.
The axe was used for chopping wood - by the man? No Someone else? Yes Did this chopping would directly damage the man's financial situation? No

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 03:03 pm:


Is it a prehistoric axe? Yes
was it some type of archaelogical discovery? Yes
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 7:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the axe archaeologically valuable? Was it insured?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 11:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the axe archaeologically valuable? Possibly, to a certain extent.
Was it insured? No
Birgitta Ericsson (Brid)
Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 11:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just checked out some previous answers. Better late than never!

The loss of the axe will prevent him from losing money, right? Should he otherwise insure the axe? Should he buy it? Should he otherwise pay for using/analysing/studying it?

Is his personal economy involved in this? Or that of some company or institution he runs or works for?
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 3:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the historical relevance of the axe important? Does it prove/disprove some historical theory?
Did the person who used the axe for chopping wood do so a few thousand years ago? Is it relevant that the axe was used for chopping wood?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 7:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it he who found the axe? Or someone else?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 6:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Birgitta Ericsson (Brid) on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 11:36 am:


Just checked out some previous answers. Better late than never! How true (:

The loss of the axe will prevent him from losing money, right? Yes
Should he otherwise insure the axe? No
Should he buy it? No
Should he otherwise pay for using/analysing/studying it? No, but you're beginning to close in a little

Is his personal economy involved in this? Or that of some company or institution he runs or works for? Personal economy

By John Faben (Bentarm) on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 03:46 pm:


Is the historical relevance of the axe important? Sort of
Does it prove/disprove some historical theory? Irrelevant
Did the person who used the axe for chopping wood do so a few thousand years ago? Yes
Is it relevant that the axe was used for chopping wood? No

By Ian (Image) on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 07:00 pm:


Was it he who found the axe? Or someone else? He himself
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 11:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is his own profession relevant? Is he an archeologist?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 11:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good afternoon, Lynne, how are you?

Is his own profession relevant? Is he an archeologist? Both no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 4:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would he be subject to some fee, fine or tax for owning the axe? For finding it? For not turning it over to someone else?
Rachel (Myth)
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 5:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he planning to leave the axe-head in the lake permanently?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 9:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

historical preservation relevant? in that his land would be forcibly bought from him by the government to "protect" it, (but at an insubstantial portion of the fair market value), which would cause him to lose more money on the land transaction than he would reap from the discovery?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 6:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 04:02 pm:


Would he be subject to some fee, fine or tax for owning the axe? For finding it? For not turning it over to someone else? These are vaguely on theme, but only vaguely

By Rachel (Myth) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 05:33 pm:


Is he planning to leave the axe-head in the lake permanently? Yes

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 09:25 pm:


historical preservation relevant? Yes in that his land would be forcibly bought from him by the government to "protect" it, (but at an insubstantial portion of the fair market value), which would cause him to lose more money on the land transaction than he would reap from the discovery? Not exactly this, but youre only a forest or two away from the right one.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 8:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He wanted to develop the land, and feared that if the government/some archeological orginization knew that it had historical value he wouldn't be allowed to?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 6:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He wanted to develop the land, and feared that if the government/some archeological orginization knew that it had historical value he wouldn't be allowed to? Yes, that's part of it, but not the main point. Remember these answers from earlier in the puzzle:

does throwing the axe help him to gain money? No
prevent him from loseing money? Yes
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 10:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant what he wants to do with the land, exactly?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 12:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant what he wants to do with the land, exactly? No
Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 8:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he currently own the land? If not, he's afraid that the price of the land will skyrocket if it is discovered as an archeological sight?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 7:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he currently own the land? Yes
If not, he's afraid that the price of the land will skyrocket if it is discovered as an archeological sight? So no
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 6:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

since it's his land, will he be forced to pay for all of the "research and un-development" of the site if it is discovered?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 8:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

since it's his land, will he be forced to pay for all of the "research and un-development" of the site if it is discovered? Quite so.

*************** SPOILER *****************

In Norway, if a land owner discovers artefacts of historical/arachaeological interest on his own property, he is required to report this to the proper government authorities. The consequence of doing this will often be that the site will be singled out for archaeological excavation, and the land owner will have to pay for the costs of the excavation down to the last krone.

Needless to say, a lot of archaeologically interesting finds are never reported because of this. The costs can run into the hundreds of thousands of NKr (1 pound sterling = approx. 11 NKr). Our hero wants to do the right thing, but calculates that the costs of an excavation will ruin him, and so chooses to ditch the axe.
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 4:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's ridiculous! Does the landowner get any recognition / status for this? (apart from this particular one being immortalised in an LP)
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 4:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Not that I know of. It's horrible. But not any worse than several other regulations that we have in this country, which has been called, by some foreign high official, "the last Soviet state".
tscq4mv@search.com
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