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Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man, going through his wife's coat pockets, finds a business-card-sized piece of thin white cardboard, on which the single word "Waterford" is written. He first looks puzzled, seems to think for a while, then an expression, first of understanding, then of delight lights up his face.

He finds another, similar but blank, piece of cardboard in his desk, and writes "Hercule Holmes" on it. He then places this new card back in the pocket where he found the first one, and keeps the first one for himself.

The day after, his wife agrees to go hanggliding with him for the first time ever. Why?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What a puzzle! I'm off today so this is just what I needed. Where do I start...

Is it relevant why the man was going through her pockets in the first place? Did he suspect her of having an affair?
Can we give them short and sweet names? Rosie and Jim?
Was she given the piece of card? Is "Waterford" written by hand? By a third person? If so, male or female?

That's a start I think
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant why the man was going through her pockets in the first place? Did he suspect her of having an affair? Both no
Can we give them short and sweet names? Rosie and Jim? As long as Rosie is the woman and Jim is the man, OK
Was she given the piece of card? No Is "Waterford" written by hand? Yes, but irrelevant By a third person? No If so, male or female? Not written by a third person

Perhaps I should warn everyone: This one might be a tough one to crack
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So was "Waterford" written by Rosie? Jim? Did she write it as a reminder to herself?
Did he write "Hercule Holmes" in order to trick her in some way?
Is hang-gliding particularly relevant? Could another adventure sport have been used instead?
Valiko Mizandari (Mimino)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would it have worked with another word than "Waterford"? with other words than "Hercule Holmes"?
Is Waterford a reference to a place? (if so: a place both Jim and Rosie know?) to an institution? to a football club? Is the spelling of the word relevant? the letters it consists of? the pronunciation?
Is Jim's and Rosie's common language English? relevant? would it work in other languages?
Is "Waterford" a reference to a page in a book?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Katy (Katy) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:03 am:


So was "Waterford" written by Rosie? Yes Jim? No Did she write it as a reminder to herself? Um... Yes, for svv of "reminder"
Did he write "Hercule Holmes" in order to trick her in some way? Yes
Is hang-gliding particularly relevant? Could another adventure sport have been used instead? Some other adventure sport could work too.

By Valiko Mizandari (Mimino) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:15 am:


Would it have worked with another word than "Waterford"? Yes with other words than "Hercule Holmes"? Yes
Is Waterford a reference to a place? irrelevant (if so: a place both Jim and Rosie know?) to an institution? to a football club? Is the spelling of the word relevant? the letters it consists of? the pronunciation? All of these are irrelevant
Is Jim's and Rosie's common language English? Yes relevant? Not very would it work in other languages? Yes
Is "Waterford" a reference to a page in a book? No
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do we need to find out what Waterford and HH refer to? Do they both appear in a book that R & J possess?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do we need to find out what Waterford and HH refer to? Do they both appear in a book that R & J possess? All no
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 12:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they agreed code words between the two?
Was Jim delighted because Rosie had written?
Because she had written that particular word?Because she had left the card knowing he would find it?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they agreed code words between the two? No
Was Jim delighted because Rosie had written? Not sure what you mean
Because she had written that particular word? No
Because she had left the card knowing he would find it? No
Ostap Bender (Ostap)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would it have worked with any word instead of Waterford? in any language?
Did Rosie place the notice in her pocket for Jim to find it? did she expect him to go through her pockets? Was she to test him?
Did she agree to the hanggliding in order to reward Jim for something? for checking her pockets?
Did Jim do (perhaps unknowingly) do Rosie a favor by exchanging the pieces of paper in her pocket? Did his action help Rosie in some way?
Relevant what sort of coat it was?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she previously illiterate, and this showed she could now read and write?
Did he make a connection between this card and something, which delighted him?
Valiko Mizandari (Mimino)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant that Jim kept the card saying "Waterford" for himself? and not put it back into the pocket? and not threw it away?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any major facts about R & J relevant? Are they adult humans? Both alive? Their marriage particularly relevant in any way? Their jobs? Where they live? Where this puzzle is based? When?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would it have worked with any word instead of Waterford? Pretty much, yes
in any language? In principle, yes, but it would be best to use the participants' native language, or one well known to them, anyway
Did Rosie place the notice in her pocket for Jim to find it? No
did she expect him to go through her pockets? No
Was she to test him? No
Did she agree to the hanggliding in order to reward Jim for something? No
for checking her pockets? No
Did Jim do (perhaps unknowingly) do Rosie a favor by exchanging the pieces of paper in her pocket? Depends on how you choose to look at it
Did his action help Rosie in some way? Again, depends on how you look at it, but concider that a "no"
Relevant what sort of coat it was? No
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had they previously had hang-gliding conversations? And he had wanted to try it but she had refused? Was she scared? Did these events change her mind? Did it cure her of a phobia? Was she terminally ill?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Katy (Katy) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 01:05 pm:


Was she previously illiterate, and this showed she could now read and write? Not this
Did he make a connection between this card and something, which delighted him? Yesish

By Valiko Mizandari (Mimino) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 01:06 pm:


Relevant that Jim kept the card saying "Waterford" for himself? Noish
and not put it back into the pocket? Yes
and not threw it away? Noish

By Katy (Katy) on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 01:06 pm:

Any major facts about R & J relevant? One fact about Rose
Are they adult humans? Yes Both alive? Yes
Their marriage particularly relevant in any way? No
Their jobs? Where they live? Where this puzzle is based? When? None of these are relevant
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the fact about Rose relate to her health? Opinions? Outlook? Religion?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant that "Hercule Holmes" is made up of 2 fictional detectives?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the fact about Rose relate to her health? This is the closest... Opinions? ...but could in a vague way be related to this... Outlook? ...and this Religion? But not this

Relevant that "Hercule Holmes" is made up of 2 fictional detectives? No
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think you missed some questions from me at 1:10. Not really surprising as I was bombarding you!
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 4:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the word 'waterford' mean anything to Rosie?
Is aphasia relevant?
Are any properties of the words 'waterford' and 'hercule holmes' relevant? would finding 'hercule holmes' on a piece of paper in his wife's pocket have delighted Jim?
Is 'waterford' some sort of code? a code that Jim was able to crack?