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Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 4:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*************** RECAP ****************

- The words "Waterford" and "Hercule Holmes" are not relevant in themselves, they could have been just about any random words.
- It would work in most, probably all, languages.
- The reason Rosie has so far refused to go hanggliding is that she's scared of it.
- The original card was written by Rosie herself.
- Reading the card did not cure Rose of her phobia.
- The combined effect of reading the card and being asked to go hanggliding made her decide to come along.
- The words on the card does not in any way constitute a code, or means of communication between the two of them (or anyone else).
- She did not in any way feel blackmailed or forced against her will.
- When reading the new card, she was yesishly thinking it was the same card as the one her husband had taken.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 11:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When he asks her to go hangliding does she look at the card before replying? If she hadn't yet seen the new card when he asked her, would she agree? If she then went and read the card, would she change her mind? Would she tell him?

Was she suprised to see that the card now read HH instead of Waterford?

Relevant how much time passed between any of the following events? His finding the card? Rosie's reading it? His asking Rosie to go hanggliding?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 5:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ian (Image) on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 11:18 pm:


When he asks her to go hangliding does she look at the card before replying? It could happen that way,
If she hadn't yet seen the new card when he asked her, would she agree? No
If she then went and read the card, would she change her mind? It could even happen this way Would she tell him? That she had changed her mind? Probably. That it was because she'd read the card? Maybe.

Was she suprised to see that the card now read HH instead of Waterford? A bit, perhaps, but not very much.

Relevant how much time passed between any of the following events? His finding the card? Rosie's reading it? His asking Rosie to go hanggliding? The timing is not very relevant. Could be a few minutes or hours, or perhaps a day.
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 6:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One thing I forgot in the recap: The following question/answer could provide a hint:

Is that because his wife should believe or presume that the word "Waterford" has changed by magic into "Hercule Holmes"? Not exactly, but close
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 9:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she intended to believe W has been erased and HH has been written on the card? Are the words written in ink? pencil? Blood? Relevant?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 9:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she intended to believe W has been erased and HH has been written on the card? No
Are the words written in ink? Yes pencil? No Blood? I suppose this would have worked, too. Relevant? Not very
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 9:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she intended to believe:

someone had erased 'Waterford'?
someone had concealed 'Waterford'?
the ink had somehow come off the card?
there was an illusion involved?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 10:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she indended to believe that "Hercule Holmes" had always been written on the card?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 12:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Katy (Katy) on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 09:39 am:


Was she intended to believe:

someone had erased 'Waterford'? No
someone had concealed 'Waterford'? No
the ink had somehow come off the card? No
there was an illusion involved? Not exactly, but closer than the other guesses

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 10:36 am:


Was she indended to believe that "Hercule Holmes" had always been written on the card? No
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 7:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she intended to believe she was going mad?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 8:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she have a second coat? Was the card in the one she most often wore? Relevant?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 9:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Katy (Katy) on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 07:14 pm:


Was she intended to believe she was going mad? No

By Ian (Image) on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 08:18 pm:


Did she have a second coat? Was the card in the one she most often wore? Relevant? These are irrelevant.

Small hint: In a slight variation on the puzzle's theme, Jim might have written illegible gibberish on the card, such as meaningless chinese-looking characters for example.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 9:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant why she was keeping the first card in her coat in the first place? Had it been on someone else's suggestion/order?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 6:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant why she was keeping the first card in her coat in the first place? Yes
Had it been on someone else's suggestion/order? Noish
Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 11:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is her reason for keeping it there logical? Does (she believe that) it (will) benefit her? Someone else? By causing something good to happen? By preventin something bad from happening? By bringing luck?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 7:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is her reason for keeping it there logical? Yes
Does (she believe that) it (will) benefit her? Yes
Someone else? No
By causing something good to happen? Yesish
By preventin something bad from happening? No
By bringing luck? No
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 10:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it her coat at all? or a similar coat belonging to somebody else?
Was the paper saying Waterford intended as a note? to remember Rosie of something? Does she have a poor memory?
Should we deeper investigate Rosie's phobia? the reason for it? what she was afraid of in particular?
Would it have worked if Jim had found the card in some other place? in Rosie's purse? in her jacket? on the desk? on the floor? in Rosie's wallet?
Did "Waterford" have some meaning to Rosie?
Did Jim have a good reason to assume Rosie would agree to hanggliding when he replaces the card? Did he, by exchanging the card, trick Rosie (possibly in some subtle way)?
Did Rosie find the exchanged card in her pocket at all? did she read what was written on it?
Did she notice that the text has changed? if so: did she expect the text would change?
Katy (Katy)
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 2:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Luposlipophopia? (The fear of being chased by wolves around a kitchen table on a newly waxed floor while wearing only socks)
I thought I was the only sufferer!

Is superstition involved in this puzzle? Is the supernatural involved?
Were the words 'Waterford' and 'Hercule Holmes' written in the same colour? Relevant?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jens Weber (Sundowner) on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 10:35 am:


Was it her coat at all? or a similar coat belonging to somebody else? It was her coat.
Was the paper saying Waterford intended as a note? No to remember Rosie of something? No Does she have a poor memory? No
Should we deeper investigate Rosie's phobia? the reason for it? what she was afraid of in particular? No, you have found out everything relevant about that
Would it have worked if Jim had found the card in some other place? Well... in Rosie's purse? Yes in her jacket? Yes on the desk? Probably not on the floor? Probably not in Rosie's wallet? Yes
Did "Waterford" have some meaning to Rosie? No relevant meaning apart from what has already been discovered
Did Jim have a good reason to assume Rosie would agree to hanggliding when he replaces the card? Yes
Did he, by exchanging the card, trick Rosie (possibly in some subtle way)? Yes
Did Rosie find the exchanged card in her pocket at all? Yes did she read what was written on it? Yes
Did she notice that the text has changed? Yes if so: did she expect the text would change? Um... Yope

By Katy (Katy) on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 02:18 pm:


Luposlipophopia? (The fear of being chased by wolves around a kitchen table on a newly waxed floor while wearing only socks)
I thought I was the only sufferer! Well, there's comfort in numbers

Is superstition involved in this puzzle? No
Is the supernatural involved? No
Were the words 'Waterford' and 'Hercule Holmes' written in the same colour? Relevant? Irrelevant
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 9:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she intend for the writing on the card to be read? by herself? Jim? someone else?

Did he write in his own handwriting? hers?

When she first saw the card with Hercule Holmes did she immediately notice that the text had changed?
Ian (Image)
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 11:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would Rosie look at the card regularily? Would she be likely to look at it once a minute? Once an hour? Once a day? Once a week? Once a month? Once a year? Ever?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 5:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 09:05 pm:


Did she intend for the writing on the card to be read? Yes
by herself? Yes
Jim? No
someone else? No

Did he write in his own handwriting? hers? He tried to imitate hers to get the best effect

When she first saw the card with Hercule Holmes did she immediately notice that the text had changed? Yes

By Ian (Image) on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 11:56 pm:


Would Rosie look at the card regularily? Yes
Would she be likely to look at it once a minute? Once an hour? Once a day? Once a week? Once a month? Once a year? Ever? Around once an hour, on the average