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Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 4:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Since taking a new job, Lyle has found it necessary to make an extra trip to the grocery store about once a week. Why?
John Faben (Bentarm)
Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 5:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because he works at a grocery store, and works one day a week?
Does he buy something from the grocery store that he didn't used to buy? Buy more of something he has always bought?
Is the amount he is paid in his new job relevant? The time at which he is paid?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 5:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he socialise a lot more now?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 6:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is he now forced to purchase meals, or a six-pack of a beverage, to take for lunch since his new workplace is too far away from a restaurant to eat out for lunch?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 8:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because he works at a grocery store, and works one day a week? No to both
Does he buy something from the grocery store that he didn't used to buy? Maybe, and more likely...
Buy more of something he has always bought? ...this one most likely
Is the amount he is paid in his new job relevant? No
The time at which he is paid? No
Does he socialise a lot more now? No, not really
is he now forced to purchase meals, or a six-pack of a beverage, to take for lunch since his new workplace is too far away from a restaurant to eat out for lunch? No, not the case here but a good suggestion
Ian (Image)
Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 2:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant what he's buying? Coffee? Snacks for the break room?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 9:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant what he's buying? Yes
Coffee? Snacks for the break room? No to both
Drew Sollenberger (Sollen)
Posted on Saturday, March 04, 2006 - 9:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does he use something that he is buying at his job? use it for the job(ie he must have it)? uses it because it is convienent or he perfers to have it at the job?

for somereason I feel I should ask if he is selfemployed

exact job relevent?

does he buy stationary or other items used for writing? buy office supplies? food? perishables?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 2:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does he use something that he is buying at his job? Yes
use it for the job(ie he must have it)? It is not a requirement for the job, strictly speaking, but...
uses it because it is convienent or he perfers to have it at the job? ...yes, he feels that this is the case

for some reason I feel I should ask if he is self employed Possibly, but does not have to be the case.

exact job relevent? Yes

does he buy stationary or other items used for writing? No
buy office supplies? No
food? Yes
perishables? Yes
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 1:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he a teacher? Social worker of some kind?

Is the food for himself?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2006 - 3:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he a teacher? Social worker of some kind?
Neither of these
Is the food for himself? Yes and no...rephrase/explore
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 11:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he work with pigs? one pig?
Does he buy food for the pig(s)?

Does he work on a farm? as a butcher? cook? in a circus? zoo?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 3:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he work with pigs? one pig? No to both
Does he buy food for the pig(s)? N/A

Does he work on a farm? as a butcher? cook? in a circus? No, but...
zoo? Yes
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 9:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he buy food in order to feed it to an animal? animals? Is the food he buys generally used as animal food?

Is a dangerous animal involved? A large one?
Does the title hint at the story of the "Three Little Piggies"? Is there a wolf involved?

Any animal involved at all?
Some animal called ____-pig that isn't a pig? A guinea pig?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 2:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he buy food in order to feed it to an animal? No animals? No
Is the food he buys generally used as animal food? No, not that I'm aware of (although I'm sure once the type of food is discovered there will be a well-educated forum participant who will correct me on this)

Is a dangerous animal involved? Yes, in a certain way it is
A large one? Depends on how you define 'large'
Does the title hint at the story of the "Three Little Piggies"? No
Is there a wolf involved? No

Any animal involved at all? Yes
Some animal called ____-pig that isn't a pig? A guinea pig? No, no type of 'pig' involved in the story
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he want to eat the food? Is there anything that prevents his doing so? Does he buy the food but does not intend to eat it? Does he buy the food for some other person?

Type of food important?
Vegetables?
Cereals?
Meat?
Eggs?
Fruit?
Milk products?
Fish?

Does he buy anything besides food?

The animal involved - is it a carnivore?
Mammal? Bird? Reptile? Amphibian? Fish? Insect? Spider?

Is it approx. the size of a mouse? cat? big dog? lion? horse? crocodile? elephant? whale? (is it by any chance one of these?)
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 3:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he want to eat the food? No
Is there anything that prevents his doing so? Hmmm...well mostly no, but he would say 'yes'
Does he buy the food but does not intend to eat it? Correct
Does he buy the food for some other person? Yes, but explore this carefully

Type of food important? Yes
Vegetables?
Cereals?
Meat?
Eggs?
Fruit? This one, no to the rest
Milk products?
Fish?
Does he buy anything besides food? Can you rephrase this (I want to make sure I answer you the most beneficial way

The animal involved - is it a carnivore? Yes
Mammal? Bird? Reptile? Yes to this one, no to the rest
Amphibian? Fish? Insect? Spider?

Is it approx. the size of a mouse? Bigger...
cat? Maybe bigger...
big dog? Possibly up to this size
lion? horse? crocodile? elephant? whale? (is it by any chance one of these?) No, and it's not as big as any of these
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 4:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he buy the food so some other person can eat it? Look at it? Smell it? Serve it? Play with it? Other person's occupation important? also a zoo employee? Visitor? Manager? Personal friend of Lyle? Relative? In the zoo at all?

Is Lyle a keeper? vet? caretaker? cleaning personnel? manager? dompteur?

Does he buy different kinds of fruit? Is the type of fruit important? Southern fruit? Red? Green? Yellow? Orange? Purple? Brown? Is it ripe? Not ripe yet? Overripe? Mouldy?

Does he buy the fruit the way one would usually buy it?

Does he buy anything relevant which is not fruit or attached to the fruit?

The reptile - is it a snake? saurian? lizard? turtle? tortoise? gecko? chameleon?
Is it alive? In a terrarium? cage? Office? Kitchen? other room? Walking around freely? In the zoo at all?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 4:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he buy the food so some other person can eat it? This is closest, but not quite the exact word you would use for it
Look at it? Somewhat this
Smell it? Probably, at some point
Serve it? No
Play with it? Maybe this, but only a bit
Other person's occupation important? Well, there still may be a little to explore here, and the issue about occupations may help
also a zoo employee? No
Visitor? Yes
Manager? No
Personal friend of Lyle? No
Relative? No
In the zoo at all? Yes

Is Lyle a keeper? vet? caretaker? cleaning personnel? manager? dompteur? Not any of these

Does he buy different kinds of fruit? No, always the same kind
Is the type of fruit important? Yes
Southern fruit? Not necessarily
Red? Green? Orange? Purple? Brown? Not these, but...
Yellow? This one
Is it ripe? Yes
Not ripe yet? Overripe? Mouldy? None of these

Does he buy the fruit the way one would usually buy it? Yes

Does he buy anything relevant which is not fruit or attached to the fruit? No

The reptile - is it a snake? Yes
saurian? lizard? turtle? tortoise? gecko? chameleon? Some of these may be involved, but not primarily
Is it alive? Yes
In a terrarium? Probably, but beware FA
cage? Also possible, but avoid FA
Office? No
Kitchen? No
other room? No
Walking around freely? Definitely not
In the zoo at all? Yes
good q's
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 4:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the other person homo sapiens? male? female? adult? child? baby? Is he/she a regular visitor? Was he/she there only once?
Does he/she eat in a certain "piggy-style" way?

Is the fruit a banana? ananas? lemon? pear?

Is Lyle a snake charmer? artist? does he work in an office? with the animals? is he a gardener? a maintenance person? security? ticket booth man? salesman? does he sell food? drinks? ice-cream?

Is it one particular snake that's important? More than one snake? Snakes in general? Is something relevant that can only be found in connection with reptiles?

Is Lyle frightened by the snake? Is the other person frightened by the snake? Is the snake's diet important? Is the snake ill? Is the zoo visitor interested in the snake?

Have we found all important people (Lyle + the visitor)? animals (snake(s), maybe other reptile(s))? things (the fruit)?
Anything in the scenery important? The location inside the zoo?
Time of day relevant?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 8:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the other person homo sapiens? male? female? adult? child? baby? Yes - male or female children (here was the lurking FA)
Is he/she a regular visitor? This may be the case
Was he/she there only once? Probably this is the case most often
Does he/she eat in a certain "piggy-style" way?
No
Is the fruit a banana? ananas? No...lemon? Yes to this

Is Lyle a snake charmer? No
artist? Of a sort, yes, some would refer to him as this
does he work in an office? No
with the animals? No, not directly
is he a gardener? a maintenance person? security? ticket booth man? None of these
salesman? Yes, but not primarily
does he sell food? drinks? ice-cream? None of these

Is it one particular snake that's important? No
More than one snake? Snakes in general? Yes, both of these fit the description
Is something relevant that can only be found in connection with reptiles? I don't think so...but try asking this a different way

Is Lyle frightened by the snake? No, but...
Is the other person frightened by the snake? Yes
Is the snake's diet important? No
Is the snake ill? No
Is the zoo visitor interested in the snake?
Maybe, maybe not
Have we found all important people (Lyle + the visitor)? Yes
animals (snake(s), maybe other reptile(s))? You've identified the important one(s)
things (the fruit)? You've identified the only kind of food/fruit that is involved, yes
Anything in the scenery important? Yes
The location inside the zoo? To a degree, yes
Time of day relevant? No
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 8:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Lyle a photographer?
Does he want the children to bite into the lemon so that they make strange grimaces? Does he take pictures of children with snakes? e. g. the snake is around their shoulders? Is the snake in fact harmless? Does he want the child in the picture to look extremely horrified?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2006 - 9:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Lyle a photographer? Yes
Does he want the children to bite into the lemon so that they make strange grimaces? YES
Does he take pictures of children with snakes? Well, it appears that way, but...
e. g. the snake is around their shoulders? No, not this kind of picture
Is the snake in fact harmless? Well yes, but only because of a certain aspect of what Lyle does
Does he want the child in the picture to look extremely horrified? Likely not to this extent, but at least somewhat 'uncomfortable'

Just a little more to reveal and we'll have the solution...
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2006 - 2:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Now I find myself thinking of how they filmed some scenes in Raiders of the Lost Ark...
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 2:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good thinking, Tim, now just think in our era instead of the 'Raiders' era...
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 9:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there some kind of barrier between the child and the snake that you don't see in the picture? a glass pane?

Does Lyle milk the snake to get rid of the poison?

Is the snake stunned by the flashlight?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 4:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there some kind of barrier between the child and the snake that you don't see in the picture? a glass pane? No, no glass pane involved here
Does Lyle milk the snake to get rid of the poison? No
Is the snake stunned by the flashlight? N/A, no flashlight involved
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Monday, March 13, 2006 - 6:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there a living snake involved? or just some picture/poster of a snake which is used as a background image for the photos?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 4:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there a living snake involved? Yes
or just some picture/poster of a snake which is used as a background image for the photos? This is part of it, but it does involve a live snake in a way
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 8:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I didn't want to push past Christiane, who has done most of the work and all, but...

Are there multiple (at least two, anyhow) cameras involved?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 8:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are there multiple (at least two, anyhow) cameras involved? Yes, that would work, in addition to one possible other scenario
Christiane Scharf (0815)
Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 9:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Tim, that's nice of you, but if you have any ideas - just go ahead! I don't mind. I don't claim ownership of this puzzle (or any other). Besides, I seem to be running out of creativity on this one...

Does the child see the live snake? at the moment the picure is taken?
Does Lyle perhaps do a photomontage?
Maybe he could split up the exposure time of the picture - half of the exposure time is used to take a picture of the snake, then he takes the picture of the child with the same background (minus snake) on the same piece of film (I have no idea if this would work)??
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 4:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the child see the live snake? Yes, but...
at the moment the picure is taken? NO
Does Lyle perhaps do a photomontage? Yes
Maybe he could split up the exposure time of the picture - half of the exposure time is used to take a picture of the snake, then he takes the picture of the child with the same background (minus snake) on the same piece of film (I have no idea if this would work)?? Yes, you have the right idea...nice work!
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 4:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

* * * * SPOILER * * * *

Lyle is a part-time photographer at a zoo. The zoo features several large snakes in the reptile area, and even offers the chance to have your picture taken "with the snake", although it's merely a picture of a person standing against a neutral background and the previously taken shot of the snake is imposed next to the person. Lyle has had sucess getting children and adults to 'react' to having a snake next to them, but has had a hard time getting young children to act as if they are next to a snake. His idea was to offer small kids a taste of lemon, then take the picture as soon as they react to the sour taste. This creates the impression that the kids are somewhat repulsed by the large reptiles.


Very nice work Christiane, and a few final touches by Tim

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