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| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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WizardofNZ is standing in the middle of a field in the pouring rain, surrounded by qualified doctors and lawyers. The owner of the field is relevant, but it is not owned by Wiz or any of the doctors or lawyers. There is no relevant building or construction to be put up on the land. It is not a cemetary. There are no sheep, I repeat, no sheep involved. | ||
| Karla Rubinstein (Karla)
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What's the question? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Karla Rubinstein (Karla) on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 01:40 am: What's the question? Explain this situation | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Did yoy know the owner/owners of the field? Was it the Lawers? The Doctors? Both? Someone else? Plural someones else? Relevent? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Sorry, totally ignored first post because I thought it was a repeat of last time. Please ignore any redundant questions. | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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About the 9:04 post, I meant you, and is the joint ownership of the field relevent, if there is joint ownership. Sorry for any confusion. | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 09:04 pm: Did yoy know the owner/owners of the field? yes Joint ownership?yes Relevent? yes | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Anyone injured? Specific kind/kinds of Doctors/Lawers relevent? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 03:05 am: Anyone injured? no Specific kind/kinds of Doctors/Lawers relevent? no | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Owners of field present? Related to you? Living? Dead? Zombie/Other Undead? Some living, some not? Two owners? More?{Insert list of numbers.} Any of this relevent? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Doctors relevent? Lawers relevent? You relevent? Pardon, if that sounds rude. | ||
| Karla Rubinstein (Karla)
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Is the absence of sheep relevant? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 12:33 pm: Owners of field present? He's not in the field Related to you? no Living? yes Dead? no Zombie/Other Undead? no Some living, some not? no Two owners? More?{Insert list of numbers.} two owners Any of this relevent? not enormously By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 08:40 pm: Doctors relevent? Lawers relevent? You relevent? Relevant in what sense? They all feature in both the question and solution - you may wish to rephrase Pardon, if that sounds rude. Not at all By Karla Rubinstein (Karla) on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 11:29 pm: Is the absence of sheep relevant? No  It was in response to some snarky questioning related to my nationality, and the stereotypes associated with it... | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Doctors relevent? Lawers relevent? You relevent? Relevant in what sense? They all feature in both the question and solution - you may wish to rephrase That's what I wanted to ascertain, 'cause the rain was just a red herring in the first time you put up the puzzle statement. Or is there something special to discover here...? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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I. Have. No. Life. Is the owner\owners nearby, but not in the field? Are they male? Female? One each? Married? Blood related? Doesn't matter? Is there something we need to discover about the owners? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Do we need to discover your reason for being in the field? The doctors'? The lawers'? Would the situation still work if: You weren't there? The doctors weren't there? Only one doctor was there? The lawers weren't there? Only one lawer was there? Number of lawers/doctors relevent? {Insert list of numbers} | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 01:48 pm: Doctors relevent? Lawers relevent? You relevent? Relevant in what sense? They all feature in both the question and solution - you may wish to rephrase That's what I wanted to ascertain, 'cause the rain was just a red herring in the first time you put up the puzzle statement. Or is there something special to discover here...? The rain was a red herring. The doctors and lawyers and myself aren't By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 01:52 pm: I. Have. No. Life. Is the owner\owners nearby, but not in the field? yes Are they male? Female? One each? yes Married? yes Blood related? Doesn't matter? Not really. Just stating the facts - that's what they were Is there something we need to discover about the owners? no By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 01:57 pm: Do we need to discover your reason for being in the field? The doctors'? The lawers'? yes to all Would the situation still work if: You weren't there? yes The doctors weren't there? yes Only one doctor was there? yes The lawers weren't there? yes Only one lawer was there? yes Number of lawers/doctors relevent? {Insert list of numbers} roughly 8 of each | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Would the situation still work if: You weren't there? yes The doctors weren't there? yes Only one doctor was there? yes The lawers weren't there? yes Only one lawer was there? yes About that... Did you take each one as separate or accumulated? Would it work if one lawer, one doctor and not you were there? Relevent? Number of lawers/doctors relevent? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 01:27 am: Would the situation still work if: You weren't there? yes The doctors weren't there? yes Only one doctor was there? yes The lawers weren't there? yes Only one lawer was there? yes About that... Did you take each one as separate or accumulated? Separately Would it work if one lawer, one doctor and not you were there? Theoretically yes - but the operation wouldn't be terribly efficient Relevent? yes Number of lawers/doctors relevent? as in the distribution? No. As in the aggregate number? Specific number no, Approximate number yes | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Operation literally? Figuratively? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 02:19 am: Operation literally? Figuratively? Operation in a literal, but non-medical sense | ||
| Robin Smith |
Is it a concert? Does everyone involved also have a second job? i.e. are they all also in the army? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Robin Smith on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 11:34 am: Is it a concert? no Does everyone involved also have a second job? YES!!! i.e. are they all also in the army? no | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Relevent what that job is? Government job? Sales? Clergy? Blood relation to you/owners of field? Wedding? Second job at all related to first job? Feeling totally lost here... | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 03:08 am: Relevent what that job is? Relevant? Why, my dear Solane, the fate of the puzzle DEPENDS on it! Government job? no Sales? no Clergy? no Blood relation to you/owners of field? no Wedding? no Second job at all related to first job? NO | ||
| Robin Smith |
Do they all have the same second job? Is is military related? Are they feildhands? Are they all still in their first proffesion's? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Robin Smith on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 08:25 am: Do they all have the same second job? YES Is is military related? no Are they feildhands? YESish Are they all still in their first proffesion's? NO Excellent line of questioning, Robin | ||
| Robin Smith
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thanks Is the field full of crops? Are the crops fruit? Are they picking thier own fruit? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Robin Smith on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 02:01 pm: thanks Is the field full of crops? yes Are the crops fruit? yes Are they picking thier own fruit? no | ||
| Ian (Image)
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Relevant what kind of fruit? Are they picking fruit, if not their own? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Ian (Image) on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 03:21 pm: Relevant what kind of fruit? no Are they picking fruit, if not their own? yes | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Does the picking fruit have to do with ther second job? Would thay consiter it part of their job description? Do you hold the same (second?) job? Does the 'nearby but not in the field' married couple that owns the field have the same (second?) job? Did anyone hire the ex-doctors/lawers? If so, tthe married couple? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Does the picking fruit have to do with ther second job? Would thay consiter it part of their job description? Do you hold the same (second?) job? Does the 'nearby but not in the field' married couple that owns the field have the same (second?) job? Did anyone hire the ex-doctors/lawers? If so, tthe married couple? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Darn computer... Sorry for the accidental double post. I'll try to be more careful, as this is happening to me a lot lately. | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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This puzzle is sad for being forgotten  Are all the lawers/doctors employed by the same persn/people? By the couple? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 04:34 pm: Does the picking fruit have to do with ther second job? YES Would thay consiter it part of their job description? yes Do you hold the same (second?) job? at the time, yes Does the 'nearby but not in the field' married couple that owns the field have the same (second?) job? no Did anyone hire the ex-doctors/lawers? If so, tthe married couple? yes and yes *snip* By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 12:40 am: This puzzle is sad for being forgotten Sorry about that. You posted so soon after my last set of answers that I assumed mine was the most recent post. It didn't help that my computer and Discus had a mild kerfuffle and all the topic headings were marked as unread Are all the lawers/doctors employed by the same persn/people? By the couple? yes to both | ||
| Ian (Image)
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Relevant what they are picking? Was the second job simply to pick the fruit? Had the doctors, lawyers, and you all left your original jobs to take this one? Because it offered better wages? Because you got fired? Because of better hours? Less commute? Relevant why you took the job picking fruit? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Ian (Image) on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 03:33 am: Relevant what they are picking? no Was the second job simply to pick the fruit? yes Had the doctors, lawyers, and you all left your original jobs to take this one? YES Because it offered better wages? yope Because you got fired? no Because of better hours? yope Less commute? no Relevant why you took the job picking fruit? no | ||
| Ian (Image)
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Relevant that only highly proffessional people were working in the field? Were you being paid more at this job? More per hour? More total? Did you gross more with this job? Net more? Did you work more hours? Fewer hours? Fewer days? Different days? Different hours? | ||
| Robin Smith |
Do all the people in the field have the same religous persuasion? Is this relevant to them picking fruit? If they did not pick this fruit would there be casualties due to starvation? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Ian (Image) on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 03:59 am: Relevant that only highly proffessional people were working in the field? In this context, yes Were you being paid more at this job? than unemployment? Yes Did you work more hours? Fewer hours? Fewer days? Different days? Different hours? Than unemployment? More hours, different days, and different hours By Robin Smith on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 07:21 pm: Do all the people in the field have the same religous persuasion? except me, YES Is this relevant to them picking fruit? no If they did not pick this fruit would there be casualties due to starvation? no | ||
| Ian (Image)
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Is the religous persuasion relevant to them no longer working as doctors or lawyers? So they were unemployed before taking the job in the field? Had they quit their old jobs? Were they fired? Had business simply dwindled to the point where they weren't getting enough work? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Would a person looking at the feild see what was going on imeadiatly? See anything unusual? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Is the fruit picking the whole of you and the ex-lawyers/doctors' job description? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Ian (Image) on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 04:00 pm: Is the religous persuasion relevant to them no longer working as doctors or lawyers? no So they were unemployed before taking the job in the field? yes Had they quit their old YES jobs? Were they fired? no Had business simply dwindled to the point where they weren't getting enough work? no By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 08:05 pm: Would a person looking at the feild see what was going on imeadiatly? yes See anything unusual? no By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 08:06 pm: Is the fruit picking the whole of you and the ex-lawyers/doctors' job description? yes | ||
| Robin Smith |
Are all the proffesionals wearing the same clothes? Is this some sort of cult? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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Is there a reason why YES comes in the middle of the sentence? Relevant why they quit? | ||
| Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Had all of the doctors and lawyers known each other before they quit? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Robin Smith on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 08:19 am: Are all the proffesionals wearing the same clothes? Uniform? No. Similar type of clothes? Yes Is this some sort of cult? no By Ian (Image) on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 03:10 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Had they quit their old YES jobs? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is there a reason why YES comes in the middle of the sentence? Yes. I was tired. Relevant why they quit? yes By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 07:04 pm: Had all of the doctors and lawyers known each other before they quit? Not all of them, some may have | ||
| Damien Sullivan (Docd)
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Were they all migrants (or refugees), whose overseas qualifications weren't accepted in NZ? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Damien Sullivan (Docd) on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 06:28 am: Were they all migrants YES (or refugees), whose overseas qualifications weren't accepted in NZ? no | ||
| Robin Smith |
is the country of origin relevant? | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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did they migrate specifically to take this second job? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Robin Smith on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 01:53 pm: is the country of origin relevant? yes By rebecca kreisler (Beccaann) on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 05:12 pm: did they migrate specifically to take this second job? yope | ||
| Robin Smith |
Original country - hot or cold? northern hemisphere? Asian? european? African? North American? South American? Austrilasian? Were they forced out the country of origin? Would they return to thier country of origin if they could? Would they still pick fruit if they did? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Did they migrate to just get a job? Does this take place in NZ? Relevent? | ||
| Sam |
did they migrate voluntarily? did they wear a similar type of clothes because of their country of origin? because of their religion? are they all men? all women? was their migration the reason for quitting their original job? are they content with their current job? were they content with their previous job? is the country they migrated into relevant? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Robin Smith on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 11:09 am: Original country - hot or cold? hot northern hemisphere? yes Asian? yes european? African? North American? South American? Austrilasian? Were they forced out the country of origin? no Would they return to thier country of origin if they could? immediately? no Would they still pick fruit if they did? no By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 01:32 pm: Did they migrate to just get a job? no Does this take place in NZ? yes Relevent? yes By Sam on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 04:17 pm: did they migrate voluntarily? yes did they wear a similar type of clothes because of their country of origin? no because of their religion? no are they all men? all women? neither was their migration the reason for quitting their original job? yes are they content with their current job? yes were they content with their previous job? yope is the country they migrated into relevant? yes | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Is this connected with the winemaking industry? Are the fruits grapes? Are the doctors and lawyers political dissidents? Are they from a war-torn country? A communist country? North Korea? China? Myanmar? Tsunami relief relevant at all? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Howard Wilde (Woodworm) on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 1:05 pm: Edit Is this connected with the winemaking industry? no Are the fruits grapes? no Are the doctors and lawyers political dissidents? no Are they from a war-torn country? no A communist country? no North Korea? China? Myanmar? none of these Tsunami relief relevant at all? no | ||
| Puzzllover |
I have heard this b4, but I don't know the answer, darnit... Did the farm owners hire the refuges because they are unable to do the work themselves? | ||
| Puzzllover |
Come to think of it... Are they searching for something? is that relevant? | ||
| Tim Hughes |
Are they from Zimbabwe? Are they getting paid more for working in NZ than they would in their previous roles? | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Are they Japanese? Filipino? From Papua New Guinea? Malaysia? Is the exact country important anyway? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Puzzllover on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 6:41 am: Edit I have heard this b4, but I don't know the answer, darnit... I find this befuddling. I thought I made this puzzle up, based on my real-life experience, but perhaps I have a doppelganger living in your vicinity. Who is he, and how can I contact him? Did the farm owners hire the refuges FA because they are unable to do the work themselves? yes - there's rather a lot of work By Puzzllover on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 6:43 am: Edit Come to think of it... Are they searching for something? Yes. Fruit. is that relevant? yes By Tim Hughes on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 11:47 am: Edit Are they from Zimbabwe? Hell's teeth. Is that in Asia now? I'm only sad that I wasn't there when they lifted the country from the Indian ocean and transplanted it several thousand kilometres away. What a day that would have been! Are they getting paid more for working in NZ than they would in their previous roles? no By Howard Wilde (Woodworm) on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:13 pm: Edit Are they Japanese? Filipino? From Papua New Guinea? Malaysia? no to all of these Is the exact country important anyway? for the sake of historical accuracy, this is the only country which allows for this situation to occur | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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India? Pakistan? Bangladesh? Afghanistan? | ||
| Brad B. (Bumgarb)
New member Username: Bumgarb Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is Indonesia relevant? China, Thailand, Korea? Are the lawyers and doctors certified? are they students in these professions? Do the lawyers and doctors have a relationship to the field owners? relative? exchange student living with field owners? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
New member Username: Wizardofnz Post Number: 326 Registered: 10-2003 |
Howard Wilde (Woodworm) Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 3:32 pm: India? Yes Brad B. (Bumgarb) New member Username: Bumgarb Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2006 Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 5:42 pm: Is Indonesia relevant? China, Thailand, Korea? no to all Are the lawyers and doctors certified? yes are they students in these professions? no Do the lawyers and doctors have a relationship to the field owners? no relative? exchange student living with field owners? no to all | ||
| Vikram S Unregistered guest |
is it related to Feijoa growers ? any other fruit ? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
New member Username: Wizardofnz Post Number: 328 Registered: 10-2003 |
Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 12:53 pm: is it related to Feijoa growers ? no any other fruit ? yes | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 339 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are they Hindus? Sikhs? Christians? Moslems? Are they pursuing research of some kind? When you say it would be obvious to an observer what was going on, can we assume that I would immediately solve the puzzle if I had been there? Did you talk to any of the people? Would you still have known what was going on if you had not talked to them? Were they working on behalf of the Indian government? The NZ government? Diplomatic or commercial relations between India and NZ relevant at all? Have you ever visited India, and is this relevant (just a vague idea that you might have worked there and invited your colleagues back on an exchange of some sort)? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
New member Username: Wizardofnz Post Number: 329 Registered: 10-2003 |
Woodworm: Are they Hindus? Sikhs? Christians? Moslems? irrelevant Are they pursuing research of some kind? no When you say it would be obvious to an observer what was going on, can we assume that I would immediately solve the puzzle if I had been there? yes Did you talk to any of the people? yes Would you still have known what was going on if you had not talked to them? yes Were they working on behalf of the Indian government? no The NZ government? noDiplomatic or commercial relations between India and NZ relevant at all? no Have you ever visited India, and is this relevant (just a vague idea that you might have worked there and invited your colleagues back on an exchange of some sort)? no Ca va, we've established that Wizardofnz is the sole New Zealander in a winter pruning gang consisting predominantly of Indian immigrant labourers who were once doctors and lawyers. The one remaining question is: Why would these people give up their careers in India and seek horticultural employment in New Zealand? | ||
| Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
New member Username: Wizardofnz Post Number: 331 Registered: 10-2003 |
Bah, screw it, this puzzle deserves to be put out of its misery. You've established all the important details, anyway. ***** SPOILER ****** Wizardofnz is the sole New Zealander in a winter pruning gang consisting predominantly of Indian immigrant labourers who were once doctors and lawyers, having left the harsh conditions of their mother country for a cleaner, friendlier life in New Zealand. This is quite a common phenomenon - New Zealand is regularly bombarded with overqualified immigrant labourers who toil our fields, moving house with every change of season. |
