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| Ian (Image)
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Ten people lie in a room. Five of them are wearing red shirts, and are dead. The other five are wearing blue shirts, and are unconscious. What happened? PS. The title is irrelevant. No Star Trek questions, please. | ||
| KR |
are the shirts red because its blood? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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You go into an episode wearing red, and you're going to die. These people should have known that. Silly them. Death by murder? Accident? Suicide? All deaths caused by same thing/person? All unconciousness caused by samr thing/person? All deaths and unconciousness caused by same thing/person? Shirt color relevent? Unconciousness as in sleep? Physically knocked out? Drugged? People human? Male? Female? Some each? Shirt color and gender corrleated? Aged {insert list of numbers} Any of this relevent? | ||
| Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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Did the bluecoats kill the redcoats? Was everyone with the same coloured shirt working together to achieve a common goal? Were the two factions 'competing' against each other in any way? War relevant? Sports? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By KR on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 09:27 pm: are the shirts red because its blood? No By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 09:53 pm: You go into an episode wearing red, and you're going to die. These people should have known that. Silly them.  Death by murder? No Accident? Yope, svv for accident Suicide? No All deaths caused by same thing/person? Yes All unconciousness caused by same thing/person? Yes All deaths and unconciousness caused by same thing/person? Yes Shirt color relevent? No Unconciousness as in sleep? No Physically No knocked out? Yes Drugged? No People human? Yes Male? Female? Irrelevant Some each? Shirt color and gender corrleated? Irrelevant Aged {insert list of numbers} Adult, specific age irrelevant Any of this relevent? Not really By Steve Wort (Wizardofnz) on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 11:09 pm: Did the bluecoats kill the redcoats? No Was everyone with the same coloured shirt working together to achieve a common goal? Yes Were the two factions 'competing' against each other in any way? Yes War relevant? No Sports? Yes | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Room = gym? stadium? Did the people fall? from great height? Are the Blue Shirts lying on top of the Red Shirts? Electricity involved? Was there another relevant person (/animal?) in the room? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 10:45 am: Room = gym? Yes stadium? Did the people fall? Well, the fell over, I guess from great height? Not at all Are the Blue Shirts lying on top of the Red Shirts? No Electricity involved? No Was there another relevant person (/animal?) in the room? No | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Was the cause for the yopish accident: one person? more than one person? one team? a Blue Shirt? a Red Shirt? an item? a part of the building? Did the yopish accident happen inside the hall? Is it connected to the sport? Neighbourhood of the gym relevant? When the yopish accident happened: Where all ten persons inside the gym? Where the Blue Shirts on one side of the hall and the Red Shirts on the other? Was there a fire? Were they exposed to toxic gases? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 04:26 pm: Was the cause for the yopish accident: one person? more than one person? one team? a Blue Shirt? a Red Shirt? an item? a part of the building? None of these... and perhaps noish would've been a better response than yope... Did the yopish accident happen inside the hall? Yes Is it connected to the sport? No Neighbourhood of the gym relevant? No When the yopish accident happened: Where all ten persons inside the gym? Yes Where the Blue Shirts on one side of the hall and the Red Shirts on the other? Yes Was there a fire? No Were they exposed to toxic gases? No | ||
| Dave Worrell (Davidworrell)
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Is the specific sport relevant? Were there any spectators? Any other relevant person involved? Any poison involved? Was the cause of the deaths/unconsciousness the result of some physical aspect of the gym? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By Dave Worrell (Davidworrell) on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 10:33 pm: Is the specific sport relevant? No Were there any spectators? No Any other relevant person involved? No Any poison involved? No Was the cause of the deaths/unconsciousness the result of some physical aspect of the gym? Uhm... noish to no | ||
| Dave Worrell (Davidworrell)
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Cause of death (I should make a reference to the list, right?): Electrocution? Burning? Drowning? Suffocation? Falling? Sudden impact? Bullets travelling at a high velocity? Anything travelling at a high velocity? Freezing? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By Dave Worrell (Davidworrell) on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 11:07 pm: Cause of death (I should make a reference to the list, right?): Electrocution? No Burning? No Drowning? No Suffocation? No Falling? No Sudden impact? No Bullets travelling at a high velocity? No Anything travelling at a high velocity? Yope Freezing? No | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Death from anything traveling? Like a ball or some equipment? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 12:45 am: Death from anything traveling? Yesish Like a ball or some equipment? No | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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Is there anything in the scene that you haven't told us about, but which we would immediately see if we were there, and which would explain a lot? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Would someone walking into this scene probably scream? Be mortified? Laugh? Cry? Find it unnotworthy? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 06:19 am: Is there anything in the scene that you haven't told us about, but which we would immediately see if we were there, and which would explain a lot? No. If you entered the room, you'd probably be just as baffled as you are now... By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 03:59 pm: Would someone walking into this scene probably scream? Be mortified? Laugh? Cry? Find it unnotworthy? It really depends on the person... Most likely they'd be confused... | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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Are there any marks, wounds or other signs on the persons that could provide a clue as to how they died/became unconscious? Were they practice some sport just before they died? If so, relevant what kind of sport? Could this really happen? Play on words relevant? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By Torgeir Apeland (Abc) on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 10:16 am: Are there any marks, wounds or other signs on the persons that could provide a clue as to how they died/became unconscious? Possibly... I'm not an expert on causes of death, but we'll say so Were they practice some sport just before they died? They were playint some sport, yes If so, relevant what kind of sport? A few wouldn't work, but not really relevant which they are playing Could this really happen? Yes Play on words relevant? No | ||
| David Worrell (Daveworrell)
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Any other living creatures involved? Any insects involved? | ||
| David Worrell (Daveworrell)
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Are any birds involved? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By David Worrell (Daveworrell) on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 01:29 am: Any other living creatures involved? No Any insects involved? Therefore no By David Worrell (Daveworrell) on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 01:41 am: Are any birds involved? And no, unless they were playing some odd form of badminton involving five people per team... | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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They were not "physically knocked out", but knocked out. Does that mean they were not knocked out by something tangible that hit their bodies? Were they knocked out by a sudden difference in air pressure? A pressure wave? A sound wave? Was the yesishly traveling thing stronger on the side of the hall were you can now find the dead bodies? Did it travel in the direction of the now unconscious people? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 11:27 am: They were not "physically knocked out", but knocked out. Does that mean they were not knocked out by something tangible that hit their bodies? Correct Were they knocked out by a sudden difference in air pressure? YES! A pressure wave? So yes A sound wave? Was the yesishly traveling thing stronger on the side of the hall were you can now find the dead bodies? Er... no Did it travel in the direction of the now unconscious people? Yes! | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Did the pressure wave originate inside the gym? outside the gym? Was there an explosion somewhere? An atomic bomb? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 12:30 pm: Did the pressure wave originate inside the gym? Yes outside the gym? And therefore no Was there an explosion somewhere? No An atomic bomb? No | ||
| Daniel Alexander |
Was the explosion on one side of the Gym? If so, were the red shirts close enough to the explosion to die, while the blue shirts, playing on the opposite end of the court, were only close enough to be knocked out? Lastly, were they playing dodgeball? | ||
| Daniel Alexander |
Sorry about the double post... when I refer to "explosion", I meant the pressure difference. So, to rephrase, did the "disturbance" originate on one side of the gym? | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Could this happen in any standard gym? Was this a special gym? Was the pressure difference caused by a machine? by some malfunction? Was there a problem with some vent? Did anything break? Temperature relevant? | ||
| Clycking (Clycking)
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Was the difference between death and unconsciousness due to: Shirt colour? Side of the gym each side was on? Is it a regular gym? Are these regular players (i.e. not defective or unusual)? Do they play the game often? Is this relevant? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By Daniel Alexander on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 12:35 am: Edit Was the explosion on one side of the Gym? There was no explosion If so, were the red shirts close enough to the explosion to die, while the blue shirts, playing on the opposite end of the court, were only close enough to be knocked out? Lastly, were they playing dodgeball? Dodgeball could work... not really relevant. Any sport where the red shirts are on the side opposite the blue shirts would work By Daniel Alexander on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 12:38 am: Edit Sorry about the double post... when I refer to "explosion", I meant the pressure difference. So, to rephrase, did the "disturbance" originate on one side of the gym? Yesish By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 1:47 pm: Edit Could this happen in any standard gym? Yes Was this a special gym? Irrel. Was the pressure difference caused by a machine? by some malfunction? Was there a problem with some vent? Did anything break? No to these Temperature relevant? No By Clycking (Clycking) on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 4:49 pm: Edit Was the difference between death and unconsciousness due to: Shirt colour? Side of the gym each side was on? This Is it a regular gym? Are these regular players (i.e. not defective or unusual)? Yes to both Do they play the game often? Twice a month Is this relevant? No | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Is the time when this is set relevant? Is the place where this is set relevant (apart from the fact that this happened in a gym)? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 7:44 am: Edit Is the time when this is set relevant? No Is the place where this is set relevant (apart from the fact that this happened in a gym)? No | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Was the cause for the pressure wave a natural phenomenon? an earthquake? Was there a specific point of origin for the pressure wave? Did the pressure wave originate on ground level? in the air? underground? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 2:37 pm: Edit Was the cause for the pressure wave a natural phenomenon? Yes an earthquake? Was there a specific point of origin for the pressure wave? Somewhat specific Did the pressure wave originate on ground level? Yes in the air? underground? | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Did the pressure wave spread in one direction only? Did it spread radially from its origin? Did it originate in a gas? liquid? solid? Was it caused by a chemical reaction? Could this happen only in a gym? Could it happen in any house? Could it happen outside? Was it caused by anything which can usually be found in a gym? | ||
| Ian (Image)
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By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 4:08 pm: Edit Did the pressure wave spread in one direction only? Yesish Did it spread radially from its origin? Yes Did it originate in a gas? This liquid? solid? Was it caused by a chemical reaction? No Could this happen only in a gym? No Could it happen in any house? Potentially Could it happen outside? Possibly, although it is far less likely... Was it caused by anything which can usually be found in a gym? Er... Yope, I guess... | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2006 |
So, something went bang (using the assumption that a rapidly expanding volume of gas usually goes bang) at one point in the gym, killing the reds and causing the blues to become unconscious? If this incident had happened during the second half, when the teams had changed ends, would the blues be dead & the reds unconscious? (oh, and if it actually did happen in the second half, then substitute first half in this question)? | ||
| Ian (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 816 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 1:58 pm: So, something went bang Yes (using the assumption that a rapidly expanding volume of gas usually goes bang) The gas was not rapidly expanding at one point in the gym, killing the reds and causing the blues to become unconscious? Yes If this incident had happened during the second half, when the teams had changed ends, would the blues be dead & the reds unconscious? Yes (oh, and if it actually did happen in the second half, then substitute first half in this question)? Sorry about the long delay before an answer, I was paddling through Algonquin Park... | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 158 Registered: 7-2006 |
There are worse things (-: I didn't really mean the gas itself was expanding, more like exploding (or ingniting). Did some piece of sporting equipment used by a member of either team ignite the gas? Was the gas from a piece of equipment which would usually be expected to contain gas, like a boiler(?) or gas pipes(?) Was the gas being released from it's usual container in an accidental way? Or as a deliberate action by some person? A deliberate malicious act? | ||
| Ian (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 817 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 10:46 am: There are worse things (-: I didn't really mean the gas itself was expanding, more like exploding (or ingniting). The gas was not ignited or exploded either... Did some piece of sporting equipment used by a member of either team ignite the gas? No Was the gas from a piece of equipment which would usually be expected to contain gas, like a boiler(?) or gas pipes(?) No Was the gas being released from it's usual container in an accidental way? The gas does not have a usual container Or as a deliberate action by some person? No A deliberate malicious act? No | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 374 Registered: 3-2006 |
The gas: air? oxygen? nitrogen? hydrogen? helium? neon? xenon? fluorine? chlorine? a mixture of elements? Was it under high pressure? Was it contained in an unusual container? in any container? | ||
| Anastas (Aragorn)
New member Username: Aragorn Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2004 |
Faulty gas pipes? Faulty heating installation? Was the gas poisonous, water vapour? Any natural phenomenon involved? Weather anomaly? | ||
| Julius Davies (4545)
New member Username: 4545 Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2006 |
Does the Gas induce tears? Asphixiation? Is the nature of the gas relevant? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 256 Registered: 7-2006 |
it's oh so quiet... | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2006 |
We are forgetting something. This is a natural phenomenon! Me, I am so stuck if it is not an earthquake. Tornado? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1721 Registered: 1-2001 |
I'm stuck on this one too, unless our host returns. I was thinking lightning was involved until the mention of a gas came up... | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 818 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 12:40 pm: The gas: air? Yes oxygen? nitrogen? hydrogen? helium? neon? xenon? fluorine? chlorine? So all of these in varying degrees, I think a mixture of elements? Yes Was it under high pressure? No Was it contained in an unusual container? in any container? No Posted on Friday, August 04, 2006 - 6:25 am: Faulty gas pipes? No Faulty heating installation? No Was the gas poisonous, water vapour? No Any natural phenomenon involved? Yes Weather anomaly? Probably not the best way of describing it Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 12:45 pm: Does the Gas induce tears? No Asphixiation? No Is the nature of the gas relevant? No Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 9:07 am: it's oh so quiet... Questions before this I thought I'd answered, but apparantly it didn't go through... And I didn't find out until now because I was at my cottage, with no internet connection... :P Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 1:28 pm: We are forgetting something. This is a natural phenomenon! Me, I am so stuck if it is not an earthquake. Tornado? Neither. Remember, this is a phenomenon, and not something you'd hear of often if at all. Its not one of your standard natural disasters. Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 2:50 pm: I'm stuck on this one too, unless our host returns. I was thinking lightning was involved until the mention of a gas came up... I'm back now, so... If everyone else is feeling stuck too, I'll post a hint | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 205 Registered: 6-2006 |
Was this pressure wave a sound wave? If so was it of such a high frequency that it could kill? And wre the red shirts closer to the origin than hte blue shirts, meaning it had lost strength or frequency? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1730 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is someone splitting an atom nearby? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 820 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 8:36 pm: Was this pressure wave a sound wave? No If so was it of such a high frequency that it could kill? No And wre the red shirts closer to the origin than hte blue shirts, Yes meaning it had lost strength or frequency? No Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 8:39 pm: Is someone splitting an atom nearby? No | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 271 Registered: 7-2006 |
was lightning involved? Or a min-tornado? Sudden dramatic gust of wind? | ||
| Aragorn (Aragorn)
New member Username: Aragorn Post Number: 52 Registered: 8-2004 |
volcano-related? meteorite from space? is the gym located in a place where the phenomenon is more likely to occur? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 22 Registered: 8-2006 |
were the blueshirt wearing other things the reds weren't wearing? And can we call blue shirts Jays and the red shirts Brick? :-) | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 823 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 8:25 am: was lightning involved? No Or a min-tornado? No Sudden dramatic gust of wind? You could describe it that way Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 9:22 am: volcano-related? No meteorite from space? No is the gym located in a place where the phenomenon is more likely to occur? No Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 2:17 pm: were the blueshirt wearing other things the reds weren't wearing? No And can we call blue shirts Jays Sure and the red shirts Brick? NO! Definately not! :-) Just kidding... you can if it so pleases you | ||
| Noesis (Noesis)
New member Username: Noesis Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2006 |
Just to clarify, the moving air killed the people in red, but only knocked out the people in red because the effects of the air were weakened? Was the moving air just air? Or could be some kind of poison? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 47 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did air pressure crush the can? | ||
| Aragorn (Aragorn)
New member Username: Aragorn Post Number: 55 Registered: 8-2004 |
Did the earth/floor crack open? Could this happen if it were an openair field instead of a gym? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 824 Registered: 4-2005 |
Just to clarify, the moving air killed the people in red, Yes, but... but only knocked out the people in red because the effects of the air were weakened? this is incorrect... And not because you wrote red instead of blue Was the moving air just air? Yes Or could be some kind of poison? No Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 1:09 pm: Did air pressure crush the can? What can? Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 8:19 pm: Did the earth/floor crack open? No Could this happen if it were an openair field instead of a gym? It could potentially happen, although it is far, far less likely, and the red shirts would probably still be alive... | ||
| Noesis (Noesis)
New member Username: Noesis Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did the moving air knock out the people in blue? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 94 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did Jays see the Bricks go down, and get ready for the impact? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2006 |
Do we have to understand the physical phenomen related to the air to solve the puzzle? Can someone with a mediocre education in physics understand/explain the phenomenon? Was the phenomenon visible? audible? perceivable in any other way? Was the phenomenon acting on a specific part of the body of the reds? The heart, the brain, the acoustic organ? Would you answer the same question for the blues? Where the people in the room particulary sensitive for the phenomenon? Suppose one additional person had been with the reds and one with the blues, would he or she have been killed resp. passed out all the same? Was the phenomenon related to a dysfunction of a device of the gym? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 825 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 11:41 pm: Did the moving air knock out the people in blue? It was the moving air for the most part which knocked them out Posted on Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 1:49 am: Did Jays see the Bricks go down, and get ready for the impact? No Posted on Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 2:11 pm: Do we have to understand the physical phenomen related to the air to solve the puzzle? Somewhat. The part you need to understand is fairly straight forward Can someone with a mediocre education in physics understand/explain the phenomenon? Most people can understand it, no one can explain it Was the phenomenon visible? No audible? Yes perceivable in any other way? Probably Was the phenomenon acting on a specific part of the body of the reds? The effects killed them from a specific body part or two... The heart, the brain, the acoustic organ? None of these Would you answer the same question for the blues? A little bit of the effect was localized in one body area for the blues, but most of it was spread across their whole bodies Where the people in the room particulary sensitive for the phenomenon? The reds died, so no... The blues probably sensed something happening before they blacked out Suppose one additional person had been with the reds and one with the blues, would he or she have been killed resp. passed out all the same? Yes Was the phenomenon related to a dysfunction of a device of the gym? No | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 97 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did the waves bounce off walls, and hit the reds twice? :-) | ||
| Bumgarb (Bumgarb)
New member Username: Bumgarb Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is the temperature of the air relevant? Temperature of the gym? Are the lungs, skin, ears, blood relevant? Did the sudden pressure change from the air cause a pressure issue in the ear/lungs/blood that killed the reds, but this pressure wasn't as strong at the other end of the gym, thus only causing blackouts to the blues? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 826 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 8:17 pm: Did the waves bounce off walls, and hit the reds twice? :-) Good thinking, but no Posted on Sunday, August 13, 2006 - 10:15 pm: Is the temperature of the air relevant? No Temperature of the gym? No Are the lungs, Yes skin, No ears, No blood relevant? Yes Did the sudden pressure change from the air cause a pressure issue in the ear/lungs/blood that killed the reds, YES! but this pressure wasn't as strong at the other end of the gym, thus only causing blackouts to the blues? But, unfortunately, no | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1765 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is an EMP (electromagnetic pulse) relevant here? Tidal wave? Tsunami? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 336 Registered: 7-2006 |
So it was pressure change that killed the reds, correct? Gas poisoning? Did the reds die because they were closer to the gas release than the blues? Was there some difference in the gym itself which made the gas less effective at the blue end? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 140 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did it pinch the red's blood vessels, therefore not giving their body parts enough enough oxygen? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 827 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 3:46 pm: Is an EMP (electromagnetic pulse) relevant here? Tidal wave? Tsunami? None of those Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 11:41 am: So it was pressure change that killed the reds, correct? Yes Gas poisoning? No Did the reds die because they were closer to the gas release than the blues? No Was there some difference in the gym itself which made the gas less effective at the blue end? No Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 11:58 am: Did it pinch the red's blood vessels, therefore not giving their body parts enough enough oxygen? No | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 385 Registered: 7-2006 |
Sonic boom? Or ultra-low frequency sound? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 189 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did the pressure collaspe either the heart or lungs of the reds? And the blues lungs didn't? | ||
| Bumgarb (Bumgarb)
New member Username: Bumgarb Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did the pressure change cause the reds blood to "boil"? (something along the lines of unassisted deep sea divers having to return the the surface slowly while exhaling their breathe). from earlier: >but this pressure wasn't as strong at the other end of the gym, thus only causing blackouts to the >blues? But, unfortunately, no so can I conclude that the difference in pressure from reds to blues is irrelevant? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 314 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did the reds have some medical problem that caused them to be more affected by the pressure change? Bad hearts? Bad lungs? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 828 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:06 am: Sonic boom? Or ultra-low frequency sound? Neither Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 12:51 pm: Did the pressure collaspe either the heart or lungs of the reds? No! And the blues lungs didn't? No as well Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 12:11 pm: Did the pressure change cause the reds blood to "boil"? Likely so (something along the lines of unassisted deep sea divers having to return the the surface slowly while exhaling their breathe). from earlier: >but this pressure wasn't as strong at the other end of the gym, thus only causing blackouts to the >blues? But, unfortunately, no so can I conclude that the difference in pressure from reds to blues is irrelevant? You could conclude that, but you would be incorrect. The difference in pressure between the two is very relevant Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 7:46 pm: Did the reds have some medical problem that caused them to be more affected by the pressure change? Bad hearts? Bad lungs? No to these | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 225 Registered: 8-2006 |
Wait a second-- You said that the pressure is the same throughout, but you also said that difference of pressure is relevant... I am confuzzled | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 231 Registered: 8-2006 |
Oh, so the higher pressure saved the blues?!? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 829 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 11:00 pm: Wait a second-- You said that the pressure is the same throughout, but you also said that difference of pressure is relevant... I am confuzzled Sorry, let me clarify. The change in pressure was no stronger at either end of the gym. However, there is a difference in pressure and it is relevant Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig) New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 231 Registered: 8-2006 Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 1:03 pm: Oh, so the higher pressure saved the blues?!? Yesish | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 239 Registered: 8-2006 |
Does it matter what type of event happened?[like sound, wind, light..] | ||
| Dabong (Dabong)
New member Username: Dabong Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2006 |
hmm.....is there any possibility that they are in a hospital in Spain after a couple of bulls got loose during a bullfight, killing the men in red and only hurting the ones in blue (bulls for some reason dislike the color red).....so that would explain the pressure change (the impact of the bull causes great pressure)...and why only the people in red were killed ---hey, you never know, could happen | ||
| 0815 (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 419 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are the reds and blues at different heights? Barometric (=height) pressure relevant? | ||
| Ollyrukes (Ollyrukes)
New member Username: Ollyrukes Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2006 |
bulls don't dislike the colouyr red. they are colourblind in fact. | ||
| Dabong (Dabong)
New member Username: Dabong Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2006 |
oh....so why do they always chase anything that's red?? | ||
| Ollyrukes (Ollyrukes)
New member Username: Ollyrukes Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2006 |
they don;t. they are attracted to the movement of the flag. it's an urban myth that bulls hate red. see here for explanation http://ask.yahoo.com/20040224.html | ||
| Alan_s (Alan_s)
New member Username: Alan_s Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2006 |
is the change in pressure that killed the red guys an increase in pressure? a decrease in pressure? cause of death asphyxiation? is the gym on some sort of space vehicle? did some sort of puncture cause depressurisation? close to where the red guys were? were the blue guys protected by a physical barrier of some sort? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 831 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 12:41 pm: Does it matter what type of event happened?[like sound, wind, light..] Please rephrase Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 2:54 am: hmm.....is there any possibility that they are in a hospital in Spain after a couple of bulls got loose during a bullfight, killing the men in red and only hurting the ones in blue (bulls for some reason dislike the color red).....so that would explain the pressure change (the impact of the bull causes great pressure)...and why only the people in red were killed ---hey, you never know, could happen Intersting idea, but no Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 9:56 am: Are the reds and blues at different heights? Barometric (=height) pressure relevant? No to both *Snip* Posted on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 9:55 am: is the change in pressure that killed the red guys an increase in pressure? a decrease in pressure? This cause of death asphyxiation? There are multiple precise ways in which the low pressure could have killed them, and this is certainly one. It is irrelevant exaclty which symptoms of a sudden drop in pressure killed them. is the gym on some sort of space vehicle? No did some sort of puncture cause depressurisation? No close to where the red guys were? No were the blue guys protected by a physical barrier of some sort? No | ||
| Alan_s (Alan_s)
New member Username: Alan_s Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2006 |
was the cause of death specifically the rapid change in pressure? or was it a sustained period of low pressure that followed the change? (did i make that clear enough? i.e. was it some aspect of the change happening as it occured, or the new pressure state after the change, that did the damage?) did the pressure rapidly return to normal after the event happened? or did the pressure stay low for some time? seconds/minutes/hours/days/epochs? is this relevant? was the cause of the pressure drop something that was already inside the room? something that entered the room? was it caused by equipment for the specific game they were playing? something that just happened to be there but wasn't required to be there? something typically associated with gyms in particular? or something that would normally be found in other places too? do we need to work out what game they were playing? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 832 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 10:56 am: was the cause of death specifically the rapid change in pressure? Yes or was it a sustained period of low pressure that followed the change? No (did i make that clear enough? Yes i.e. was it some aspect of the change happening as it occured, or the new pressure state after the change, that did the damage?) did the pressure rapidly return to normal after the event happened? Yes or did the pressure stay low for some time? seconds/minutes/hours/days/epochs? is this relevant? Yesish was the cause of the pressure drop something that was already inside the room? Yope something that entered the room? No was it caused by equipment for the specific game they were playing? No something that just happened to be there but wasn't required to be there? Noish something typically associated with gyms in particular? No or something that would normally be found in other places too? Yes do we need to work out what game they were playing? No | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 287 Registered: 8-2006 |
OK, i'll rephrase: does it watter what type of phenomenon happened? like waves, electricity, electricwaves... | ||
| Alan_s (Alan_s)
New member Username: Alan_s Post Number: 12 Registered: 8-2006 |
are the blue guys still alive because the pressure returned to normal soon afterwards? are the red guys lying where they were at the moment before the event? or did the event cause them to be moved? same for the blue guys? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 457 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was there a pressure differential between one side of the gym and the other before the sudden pressure drop? Was the pressure drop due to rapid escape of air from the gym? Was the air forced out of the gym? Or sucked out? Was the gym at ground level? Or in an aircraft? | ||
| Alan_s (Alan_s)
New member Username: Alan_s Post Number: 24 Registered: 8-2006 |
was the cause of the pressure drop part of the structure of the room? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 833 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 2:52 am: OK, i'll rephrase: does it matter what type of phenomenon happened? Yes like waves, Noish electricity, No electricwaves...No are the blue guys still alive because the pressure returned to normal soon afterwards? No! Good question are the red guys lying where they were at the moment before the event? More or less or did the event cause them to be moved? Perhaps a little same for the blue guys? Same answers Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 12:34 pm: Was there a pressure differential between one side of the gym and the other before the sudden pressure drop? No Was the pressure drop due to rapid escape of air from the gym? No Was the air forced out of the gym? No Or sucked out? No, I sense a lurking FA Was the gym at ground level? Yes Or in an aircraft? No Posted on Friday, September 01, 2006 - 4:19 pm: was the cause of the pressure drop part of the structure of the room? No | ||
| Alan_s (Alan_s)
New member Username: Alan_s Post Number: 26 Registered: 8-2006 |
Was the pressure event triggered by the actions of any of the players? | ||
| Nosleepboy (Nosleepboy)
New member Username: Nosleepboy Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did the crowd cause the pressure change in some way? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 311 Registered: 8-2006 |
air pressure? | ||
| Beanny007 (Beanny007)
New member Username: Beanny007 Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was this on planet earth? Are they astronauts? Are they wearing pressure suits? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 835 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 10:49 am: Was the pressure event triggered by the actions of any of the players? No Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 3:54 pm: Did the crowd cause the pressure change in some way? There was no crowd Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 12:10 am: air pressure? What about it? Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 1:39 am: Was this on planet earth? Yes Are they astronauts? No Are they wearing pressure suits? No | ||
| Sean (Sean)
New member Username: Sean Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did the air/gas that caused the deaths/injuries originate from inside an object (not the gym) | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 330 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is the event caused by air pressure? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 836 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 9:00 am: Did the air/gas that caused the deaths/injuries originate from inside an object (not the gym) No Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 12:16 pm: Is the event caused by air pressure? Yes | ||
| Solane (Solane)
New member Username: Solane Post Number: 464 Registered: 5-2006 |
Is the gym at sea level? Above it? Below it? Relevent? | ||
| Kipper69 (Kipper69)
New member Username: Kipper69 Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2006 |
Is the gym on a submarine | ||
| Chuzcruzz (Chuzcruzz)
New member Username: Chuzcruzz Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was this pressure change directly caused by those in red shirts? Was this event detectable by smell? Would this have happened if less people (say one person on each side) were present? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 837 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 4:42 pm: Is the gym at sea level? Above it? Below it? Relevent? Nope Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 11:42 am: Is the gym on a submarine No Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 4:03 am: Was this pressure change directly caused by those in red shirts? No Was this event detectable by smell? No Would this have happened if less people (say one person on each side) were present? Yes | ||
| Chuzcruzz (Chuzcruzz)
New member Username: Chuzcruzz Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2006 |
Would whatever happened (as far as air pressure changes) have occurred if there was no one in the room at all? Has this ever actually happened, would a layperson know about it, or know what it is? Did the pressure decrease at one end (near the reds) and increase at the other end (near the blues) of the room? If so, then the low pressure killed while the high pressure only knocked out? You also confirmed that this could possibly occur outside, so being in an enclosed area contributed to the "intensity" of the pressure change? | ||
| Senorina_illuminata (Senorina_illuminata)
New member Username: Senorina_illuminata Post Number: 30 Registered: 9-2006 |
did the reds all suffer from deep vein thrombosis? aortic aneurism? dysbarism?(decompression sickness,'the bends') demyelination? (gas bubble disease) some sort of cardiac disorder? were the reds amputees? cerebovascular defect? hypertension? hyperlipidaemia? diabetes? were the 'reds' smokers? is this 'low atmospheric'(wants to use italics but is ignorant to formatting!) pressure we're talking about in the gym? ok ok hang on, (the joys of being a med student) has this got anything to do with use of liquid nitrogen? oxygen displacement?asphysxiation? the low air pressure caused the red team to experience dangerous increases in breathing and heart rate, pulse and blood pressure spike rapidly as their body's struggle to replace the lost oxygen saturation? i don't know....hmmmm | ||
| Shiftyape (Shiftyape)
New member Username: Shiftyape Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2006 |
Is the gym on a boat, e.g., a cruise ship? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 838 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 9:25 pm: Would whatever happened (as far as air pressure changes) have occurred if there was no one in the room at all? Yes Has this ever actually happened, would a layperson know about it, or know what it is? As far as I know, this has never happened. The layperson would certainly understand the event, although perhaps not the science behind it. Did the pressure decrease at one end (near the reds) and increase at the other end (near the blues) of the room? YES! If so, then the low pressure killed while the high pressure only knocked out? YES! You also confirmed that this could possibly occur outside, so being in an enclosed area contributed to the "intensity" of the pressure change? No, in fact, if it did happen outside, it would be far more intense. It is more likely to happen inside though Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 12:24 pm: did the reds all suffer from deep vein thrombosis? ?? aortic aneurism? ?? dysbarism?(decompression sickness,'the bends') Yes demyelination? (gas bubble disease) Yes, I think (but I'm not certain what dmyelination is... Can anyone experience it, or does it only affect certain people when pressure changes? some sort of cardiac disorder? No were the reds amputees? Irrel cerebovascular defect? ?? hypertension? No hyperlipidaemia? ?? diabetes? Irrel were the 'reds' smokers? Irrel is this 'low atmospheric'(wants to use italics but is ignorant to formatting!) Use \i{italic text here} pressure we're talking about in the gym? Yes ok ok hang on, (the joys of being a med student) has this got anything to do with use of liquid nitrogen? No oxygen displacement? Some oxygen is being displaced, although I'm not sure if a name like that conceals more complicated stuff... asphysxiation? No the low air pressure caused the red team to experience dangerous increases in breathing and heart rate, pulse and blood pressure spike rapidly as their body's struggle to replace the lost oxygen saturation? Sure... let's just leave it at, it killed them i don't know....hmmmm Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 12:43 pm: Is the gym on a boat, e.g., a cruise ship? No | ||
| 0815 (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 479 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did all air molecules just spontaneaously decide they'd do their Brownian motion in the same direction? | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 839 Registered: 4-2005 |
Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 9:49 am: Did all air molecules just spontaneaously decide they'd do their Brownian motion in the same direction? YES! Now it is time to declare a.... ****SPOILER**** The reds and the blues were in the gym, lining up for the start of whichever sport they were playing, when, due to completely random chance, every molecule of air in the room individually decided to spontaneously rush to the blues' side of the room. The sudden drop in pressure expanded little particles of air in the blood of the reds, and burst their lungs, killing them rather painfully. The blues, on the other hand, were simply knocked out by the high pressure, but normal pressure returned soon enough not to kill them. As far as I know, no such event has ever happened, but there is always a possibility of it happening in any room at any time, albeit a very small chance. Thanks for playing, and good work to 0815 for finally putting this puzzle to rest | ||
| 0815 (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 481 Registered: 3-2006 |
Oh my... and I was there sitting with this solution for weeks now but refrained from posting it when you answered the question "Could this really happen?" with an uncommented absolute "Yes"... | ||
| Image (Image)
New member Username: Image Post Number: 840 Registered: 4-2005 |
The question wasn't "Is there a reasonable possibility of this happening, and it is technically possible, so... :P |
