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| Abc (Abc)
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"Golly! I've seen some 4999s, and som 6999s, yes even an 11999 - but never a 49999!" What kind of person is saying this, and what is the situation? The puzzle is rather on the silly side | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Are the numbers scores for a game? a computer/console game? Are they prices? | ||
| Robin Smith (Robin_smith)
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relevant that the other numbers only contain three 9's? (where as 49999 has four) or is the relevance that 49999 is higher than the others? if it was only 39999 would he still say Golly? | ||
| John Faben (Bentarm)
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Would it be possible to see a 5000? A 7000? a 12000? Would it be possible to see a 12999? a 13999? Is 49999 the decimal representation of the number which is one less than five lots of 10^5? Is it a number at all? Merely a string of digits? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
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By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 3:33 pm: Edit Are the numbers scores for a game? a computer/console game? Are they prices? None of these By Robin Smith (Robin_smith) on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 3:41 pm: Edit relevant that the other numbers only contain three 9's? (where as 49999 has four) or is the relevance that 49999 is higher than the others? This last one if it was only 39999 would he still say Golly? Not quite as loud, perhaps, but yes. By John Faben (Bentarm) on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 4:13 pm: Edit Would it be possible to see a 5000? A 7000? a 12000? Would it be possible to see a 12999? a 13999? All yes Is 49999 the decimal representation of the number which is one less than five lots of 10^5? Yes Is it a number at all? Yes Merely a string of digits? No | ||
| John Faben (Bentarm)
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are the numbers scores of some kind? Is his profession relevant? Is it relevant where he sees the numbers? on a computer screen? on a piece of paper? Does each number correspond to an individual person? An individual something else? A trial of an experiment? Has he now seen a 49999? | ||
| Clycking (Clycking)
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Is the appearance of so many 9s significant, compared to other digits? Is a 50000 possible? And higher? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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By John Faben (Bentarm) on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 4:57 pm: Edit are the numbers scores of some kind? Is his profession relevant? Noish Is it relevant where he sees the numbers? Yes on a computer screen? No on a piece of paper? Noish Does each number correspond to an individual person? No An individual something else? Yesish A trial of an experiment? No Has he now seen a 49999? Yes, he's looking at it By Clycking (Clycking) on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 5:51 pm: Edit Is the appearance of so many 9s significant, compared to other digits? Well, sort of Is a 50000 possible? Yes And higher? Yes | ||
| John Faben (Bentarm)
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is it more likely that he'd see 4999 than 5000? Is the reason for this relevant? Are the numbers written down? In ink? by hand? printed? carved? painted? Can he actually see the figures "49999"? Or just something which corresponds to "a 49999"? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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is it more likely that he'd see 4999 than 5000? Yes Is the reason for this relevant? Yes Are the numbers written down? No (but a bit misleading) In ink? by hand? printed? carved? painted? So no. Can he actually see the figures "49999"? No Or just something which corresponds to "a 49999"? He sees the object which he calls "a 49999" | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Is it relevant how he says "49999"? Does he say this number in English? Does he say "four nine nine nine nine"? Or "forty nine, nine nine nine"? Or "forty nine thousand, nine hundred and ninety nine"? We know that he's more likely to see a 4999 than a 5000, but is he more likely to see a 4999 than a 500? Is it possible for him to see an [any integer between 1 and 50000]? Is there a direct linear correlation between the size of the integer and his probablity of seeing one? Is it possible for him to see a 4.999? A 49.99? Is he a trainspotter? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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By Howard Wilde (Woodworm) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 7:24 pm: Edit Is it relevant how he says "49999"? Does he say this number in English? Does he say "four nine nine nine nine"? Or "forty nine, nine nine nine"? Or "forty nine thousand, nine hundred and ninety nine"? Most probably this last one We know that he's more likely to see a 4999 than a 5000, but is he more likely to see a 4999 than a 500? I might have been a little hasty in stating this. Acting in this particular role, he's more likely to see a 4999 than a 500, yes. Is it possible for him to see an [any integer between 1 and 50000]? All of these are possible, but some are much more likely than others. Is there a direct linear correlation between the size of the integer and his probablity of seeing one? No Is it possible for him to see a 4.999? A 49.99? Theoretically, yes, in practice virtually no. For all practical, reasonable purposes, only integers are possible Is he a trainspotter? No | ||
| rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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Does the likelihood of seeing any particular number correspond to some mathematical quality of that number? For example, it's divisors?, whether it is prime or not?, whether it is even or odd? | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Is it theoretically possible for him to see a minus 4999? Would it help to have a maths qualification to solve this puzzle? Is the indefinite article relevant (he always says "A 4999", not just "4999")? When he sees the 49999, is he upset? Pleasantly surprised? Neutrally surprised? When he sees it, is he doing his normal job? Or is he doing something recreational? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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By rebecca kreisler (Beccaann) on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 9:12 pm: Edit Does the likelihood of seeing any particular number correspond to some mathematical quality of that number? Yesish For example, it's divisors? Yes, whether it is prime or not? Noish whether it is even or odd? A bit, perhaps By Howard Wilde (Woodworm) on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 10:33 am: Edit Is it theoretically possible for him to see a minus 4999? No Would it help to have a maths qualification to solve this puzzle? No Is the indefinite article relevant (he always says "A 4999", not just "4999")? Yes When he sees the 49999, is he upset? This Pleasantly surprised? Neutrally surprised? When he sees it, is he doing his normal job? I don't think it's his job Or is he doing something recreational? Not exactly this either. More like voluntary charity work. | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Is he looking for prime numbers? Does he find out that his newest candidate has a divisor besides itself and 1 (and the divisor is 49999)? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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Is he looking for prime numbers? Does he find out that his newest candidate has a divisor besides itself and 1 (and the divisor is 49999)? No | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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How upset is he? Deeply hurt (eg as if bereaved)? Mildly disappointed (eg as if losing a few pounds on a bet)? Disappointed with human nature? Does he suffer a personal loss when he sees the 49999? A financial loss? Does the charity work involve money? Children? The elderly? Famine relief? Raffles? A tombola? A lottery of sorts? If he had seen a 50000, would he have been upset? Equally upset? Less upset? More upset? Pleased? Deliriously happy? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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How upset is he? Deeply hurt (eg as if bereaved)? Let's go the whole nine yards, and say "this" Mildly disappointed (eg as if losing a few pounds on a bet)? So not this, then Disappointed with human nature? No Does he suffer a personal loss when he sees the 49999? No A financial loss? No Does the charity work involve money? No Children? The elderly? Could include both of these, but not in particular Famine relief? Raffles? A tombola? A lottery of sorts? None of these If he had seen a 50000, would he have been upset? NO Equally upset? Less upset? More upset? None of these Pleased? Maybe this Deliriously happy? Probably not | ||
| Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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The numbers are (a bit misleadingly) not written down, but he 'sees' them -- are they displaying on a computer monitor? a dial? some other type of display? | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Do numbers like 50000 indicate some kind of threshold? Is it bad to be under the threshold? Is it good to be above the threshold? Is the 49999 bad for him? for the people he works with? one/some of the people he works with? | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Is it a matter of life and death? Do people actually meet their demise as a result of the 49999? Or does 49999 represent some sort of death toll? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:37 am: Edit The numbers are (a bit misleadingly) not written down Well, Yope, but he 'sees' them -- are they displaying on a computer monitor? a dial? some other type of display? All no By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:59 am: Edit Do numbers like 50000 indicate some kind of threshold? Yes Is it bad to be under the threshold? Yes Is it good to be above the threshold? Depends on your definition of "above the treshold" Is the 49999 bad for him? A bit for the people he works with? Yes one/some of the people he works with? Yes I take "the people he works with" to mean those who benefit from the charity work, not his colleagues By Howard Wilde (Woodworm) on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:35 pm: Edit Is it a matter of life and death? Do people actually meet their demise as a result of the 49999? Or does 49999 represent some sort of death toll? All no | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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So the beneficiaries of his work would benefit more if a certain target was reached? And when it isn't, they suffer? Would it help to find out who benefits from his charitable work? Children? Animals? The elderly? The sick? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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So the beneficiaries of his work would benefit more if a certain target was reached? No, FA And when it isn't, they suffer? Yes Would it help to find out who benefits from his charitable work? Yes, but I believe it could prove difficult to go that way Children? Animals? The elderly? The sick? None of these, specifically | ||
| John Faben (Bentarm)
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Would the people who benefit from his charity work ever meet him? live in the same city as him? country? Does he see a number other than 49999 written down? And this number corresponds to "a 49999"? Does he see anything written down? On seeing the object, does he know immediately that it is "a 49999"? If not - how long would it take him to figure out that it was "a 49999"? minutes? hours? days? Would he need to take any measurements? Would I know that it is "a 49999"? would those who benefit from his charity work recognise it as a 49999? recognise that the existence of a 49999 was bad for them? is some physical property of it relevant to its being "a 49999"? mass? size? speed? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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Would the people who benefit from his charity work ever meet him? live in the same city as him? country? All yes Does he see a number other than 49999 written down? Yes And this number corresponds to "a 49999"? Yes Does he see anything written down? <b>As described above/b On seeing the object, does he know immediately that it is "a 49999"? Not necessarily? If not - how long would it take him to figure out that it was "a 49999"? minutes? hours? days? Could vary, but "seconds" would be a reasonable guessWould he need to take any measurements? No Would I know that it is "a 49999"? <b>Yope or yesish</b would those who benefit from his charity work recognise it as a 49999? YES recognise that the existence of a 49999 was bad for them? FA is some physical property of it relevant to its being "a 49999"? Yope/Yesish mass? Only indirectly size? speed? No to these | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Roman numerals relevant? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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Roman numerals relevant? No | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Does he see any digits upside down (in the style of the famous "come in number six, your time is up")? He DOES see an actual number written down, yes? And this number is not 49999, right? Is it a base ten number? Is it higher than 49999? Lower than 49999? Is it notated in normal arabic numerals or is it written in some other way such as a chart or tally? | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Is he reading something in hex? | ||
| John Faben (Bentarm)
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Is the existence of a 49999 bad for the people who benefit from his work? Is the fact that the thing he is looking at is a 49999 bad for them? Would a 59999 have upset him even more? Would it help us to find out exactly what number he sees written down? A number bigger than 49999? smaller? a multiple? A number with some relevant mathematical relationship to 49999? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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By Howard Wilde (Woodworm) on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 2:51 pm: Edit Does he see any digits upside down (in the style of the famous "come in number six, your time is up")? No He DOES see an actual number written down, yes? Yes And this number is not 49999, right? Correct Is it a base ten number? Yes Is it higher than 49999? Yes Lower than 49999? No Is it notated in normal arabic numerals or is it written in some other way such as a chart or tally? Ordinary arabic numerals By Howard Wilde (Woodworm) on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 2:52 pm: Edit Is he reading something in hex? No By John Faben (Bentarm) on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 5:10 pm: Edit Is the existence of a 49999 bad for the people who benefit from his work? Yesish Is the fact that the thing he is looking at is a 49999 bad for them? Yesish, possible FA Would a 59999 have upset him even more? A little bit more, I suppose Would it help us to find out exactly what number he sees written down? A little, I suppose A number bigger than 49999? <b>Yes/b> smaller? No a multiple? No A number with some relevant mathematical relationship to 49999? Define "relevant" in this context. I'd say yes, definitely Once, long ago, I suggested that we should allow asking directly for integer numeric values, and stated that I would have nothing against answering such questions in my own puzzles. I say this just as a reminder... | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Aha, I was about to ask: in finding out the number he actually sees, would it be quite contrary to the spirit of these forums to pin it down to [insert list of integers between 50000 and 5000000000 here]?  But you've pre-empted me .... go on then, what is the number that he sees? | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Do the beneficiaries of his charitable work have to perform a mathematical operation to arrive at 49999? Do they need to be mathematically competent for the puzzle to work? In arriving at a 49999 from the seen number, would an averagely educated non-specialist (eg. me) need to use a calculator? Or would it be fairly obvious to such a layman? Would you expect this group of people to arrive at the conclusion "it's a 49999" more quickly than I would with my very basic school maths? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
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By Howard Wilde (Woodworm) on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 7:35 pm: Edit Aha, I was about to ask: in finding out the number he actually sees, would it be quite contrary to the spirit of these forums to pin it down to [insert list of integers between 50000 and 5000000000 here]? But you've pre-empted me .... go on then, what is the number that he sees? 50000 By Howard Wilde (Woodworm) on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 7:45 pm: Edit Do the beneficiaries of his charitable work have to perform a mathematical operation to arrive at 49999? No, or at most in a very vague and remote sense Do they need to be mathematically competent for the puzzle to work? No In arriving at a 49999 from the seen number, would an averagely educated non-specialist (eg. me) need to use a calculator? Absolutely not Or would it be fairly obvious to such a layman? It would Would you expect this group of people to arrive at the conclusion "it's a 49999" more quickly than I would with my very basic school maths? No. You, however, not having the experience of our hero in this puzzle, would probably not call it "a" 49999 | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2006 |
Are the numbers he refers to the prices of some things? | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 307 Registered: 3-2006 |
So is it true that every time he sees the number n written down, he would say he had seen "a n-1?" Anything to do with charitable donations? Tax deductions? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 30 Registered: 7-2006 |
Mike Holden (Plebeian) Are the numbers he refers to the prices of some things? No Howard Wilde (Woodworm) So is it true that every time he sees the number n written down, he would say he had seen "a n-1?" no Anything to do with charitable donations? Tax deductions? Neither <i>The charity in question is a rather silly one, and one that almost certainly does not exist.</b> | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 15 Registered: 7-2006 |
Are there words alongside the number? Like "up to 50000" or "Less than 50000"? Or just the number itself? Is there an indicator of what the number represents, like a pound sign or a unit of measurement? Is our hero upset because 49999 is a big number? Or is he upset because it's not a bigger number? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 32 Registered: 7-2006 |
Are there words alongside the number? One word Like "up to 50000" or "Less than 50000"? None of these, though Or just the number itself? Could be this too, but we settle for "one word" Is there an indicator of what the number represents, like a pound sign or a unit of measurement? Yes Is our hero upset because 49999 is a big number? Partly, but not mainly Or is he upset because it's not a bigger number? No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 25 Registered: 7-2006 |
So the word describes what the number 50000 refers to? Rather than "< 50000"? Is the word a unit of length time money weight density (I'm sure there's more I could list...) Or is it a description of the objects referred to, like "50000 dead"? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 33 Registered: 7-2006 |
Mike Holden (Plebeian) So the word describes what the number 50000 refers to? Yes Rather than "less than 50000"? It does not say "less than 50000", no Is the word a unit of length time money weight density None of these (I'm sure there's more I could list...) Or is it a description of the objects referred to, like "50000 dead"? Yes (but your example is wrong) | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 73 Registered: 7-2006 |
Does it say "< 50000"? "> 50000"? "50000+"? When he sees 50000 he refers to it as "a 49999", correct? When he's seen other numbers, has the same thing occurred? e.g. when he says he's seen some 6999s, did he actually see the number 7000 in the same context as now? And is there a reason other than chance why the values 4999, 6999 and 11999 have been seen? Are other similar values (e.g. 5999, 3999) as likely to be seen? Are the values seen more likely than others? Or is it just that generally, the higher the number the less likely it is to occur? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 35 Registered: 7-2006 |
Does it say "<50000"?> 50000"? "50000+"? All no. It says "50000" plus one descriptive word. There is other printing too, but that is largely irrelevant. When he sees 50000 he refers to it as "a 49999", correct? No When he's seen other numbers, has the same thing occurred? e.g. when he says he's seen some 6999s, did he actually see the number 7000 in the same context as now? Yes And is there a reason other than chance why the values 4999, 6999 and 11999 have been seen? FA, I think, but there is a reason, yes Are other similar values (e.g. 5999, 3999) as likely to be seen? Yes Are the values seen more likely than others? I'm no expert, but I would think the most likely values lie between 499/500, and, say, 4999/5000 Or is it just that generally, the higher the number the less likely it is to occur? Above the 5000 neighbourhood, I think the probability will drop sharply. | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 351 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the descriptive word always the same word? Is rounding up or down relevant? Do they play a game? When he sees the number 50000 in this context, would he always refer to it as "a 49999"? Is a 499 worse than a 49999? Is a 49999 worse than a 499? Are they in fact equally bad but the 49999 is more disappointing? Is a 499 more disappointing than a 49999? | ||
| Katy (Katy)
New member Username: Katy Post Number: 379 Registered: 12-2004 |
So the seen figure is 50000, which he refer to as a 49999? So there's one difference - is the exact one relevant? Does the number refer to people? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 36 Registered: 7-2006 |
Christiane Scharf (0815) Is the descriptive word always the same word? Yes Is rounding up or down relevant? No Do they play a game? Noish When he sees the number 50000 in this context, would he always refer to it as "a 49999"? Not necessarily. Also, beware of what you are referring to when you say "it". There may be a FA here. Is a 499 worse than a 49999? No Is a 49999 worse than a 499? Most people would probably say yes Are they in fact equally bad but the 49999 is more disappointing? That could be a way of putting it, yes Is a 499 more disappointing than a 49999? No Katy (Katy) Hi Katy - how are you? So the seen figure is 50000 Yes, which he refer to as a 49999? No So there's one difference - is the exact one relevant? It could be more, but will usually be one Does the number refer to people? No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 114 Registered: 7-2006 |
Erm... You say he sees the figure 50000, but that he doesn't refer to it as 'a 49999'? But you've said earlier "he sees the object which he refers to as 'a 49999'"? Is the object he sees different from the writing? Is the writing refering to the collection of objects? An incorrecly numbered? Or rounded up? | ||
| Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
New member Username: Lemon_martini2 Post Number: 38 Registered: 7-2006 |
Does the number refer to an object? Objects that he collects? Is he a bus or train spotter and these are particularly rare models? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 38 Registered: 7-2006 |
Mike Holden (Plebeian) Erm... You say he sees the figure 50000, but that he doesn't refer to it as 'a 49999'? Correct, he does not refer to the figure as 'a 49999' But you've said earlier "he sees the object which he refers to as 'a 49999'"? Yes Is the object he sees different from the writing? Yes Is the writing refering to the collection of objects? 'The' collection of objects? It does refer to 'a' collection of objects, yes An incorrecly numbered? Noish Or rounded up? No Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2) Does the number refer to an object? Yope Objects that he collects? The question can be interpreted in several ways, and is difficult to answer without misleading. 'Maybe' is probably the best answer Is he a bus or train spotter and these are particularly rare models? No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 126 Registered: 7-2006 |
So, there is a number and a word written on... a tv screen? a sign? a newspaper? a label And a collection of objects which he also sees? Is the number written intended to be a description or labelling of the items he sees? Does the word alongside the number say what the objects are? Is the number intended to accurately quantify the objects? Or provide an approximation? And the number written is 50000? or 49999? Is the number of objects 50000? or 49999? or a similar quantity? Are the objects he sees: - animals? Birds? Insects? Other living creatures? objects? Things which individually would be within the capability of a normal person to pick up? (for now, notwithstanding any other difficulty of picking an item up, such as it being spikey/liquid/powder or likely to bite. I'm just trying to guage size and weight). | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 40 Registered: 7-2006 |
So, there is a number and a word written on... a tv screen? a sign? a newspaper? a label ? None of these And a collection of objects which he also sees? Yes(ish) Is the number written intended to be a description or labelling of the items he sees? Yes Does the word alongside the number say what the objects are? Yes Is the number intended to accurately quantify the objects? Or provide an approximation? Accurately quantify And the number written is 50000? or 49999? 50000 Is the number of objects 50000? or 49999? or a similar quantity? 49999 Are the objects he sees: - animals? Birds? Insects? Other living creatures? objects? This Things which individually would be within the capability of a normal person to pick up? Yes, without qualifications(for now, notwithstanding any other difficulty of picking an item up, such as it being spikey/liquid/powder or likely to bite. I'm just trying to guage size and weight). | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 131 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is the man in a queue for anything? [long shot] | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 42 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is the man in a queue for anything? No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 132 Registered: 7-2006 |
[shame, would've saved a lot of questions (-:] So there are 49999 objects in view? is it possible for this person (or indeed any person) to tell quickly that there are 49999 objects? Are the objects in some kind of arrangement? ...or could they be placed in some arrangement? [another long shot] | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 43 Registered: 7-2006 |
So there are 49999 objects in view? Correct is it possible for this person (or indeed any person) to tell quickly that there are 49999 objects? Yope Are the objects in some kind of arrangement? YES ...or could they be placed in some arrangement? Since they already are placed thusly, no. Very good question, though. | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 140 Registered: 7-2006 |
Jigsaw??? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
New member Username: Solane Post Number: 307 Registered: 5-2006 |
Are the objects in the shape of a number? Like 50000 dominoes in the shape of a 49999? Vice Versa? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 45 Registered: 7-2006 |
Mike Holden (Plebeian) Jigsaw??? YES! Now, what's going on? Kitral Solane (Solane) Are the objects in the shape of a number? No Like 50000 dominoes in the shape of a 49999? Vice Versa? Neither | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 141 Registered: 7-2006 |
Well, I assume the guy is looking at a Jigsaw? or Jigsaws? and as there's a previous mention of charity, could they be donated jigsaws? Which usually have a piece missing (which is often why they're donated in the first place)? So the phrase would be '50000 pieces'? But likely to contain 49999? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 46 Registered: 7-2006 |
Well, I assume the guy is looking at a Jigsaw? Yes or Jigsaws? Just one and as there's a previous mention of charity, could they be donated jigsaws? No Which usually have a piece missing (which is often why they're donated in the first place)? Well, in this case, the jigsaw has one piece missing, yes So the phrase would be '50000 pieces'? Correct But likely to contain 49999? It did contain 49999 pieces, yes | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 144 Registered: 7-2006 |
Ok, so our hero is looking at a jigsaw labelled '50000 pieces' (big jigsaw!!!), and he says it's 'a 49999'. Does he know at once that there's in fact 49999? Has he been told this? or is he being given the jigsaw specifically because it's got a piece missing? Is he looking for the missing piece? Or does he have to count the existing pieces to confirm the number? is he helping someone complete the jigsaw? | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 325 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is he an official jigsaw checker? Is his job to assemble the pieces before putting them in the bag? Is the 49999 a new jigsaw or a secondhand one? Is he performing some sort of world record attempt at jigsaw assembly? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 47 Registered: 7-2006 |
Mike Holden (Plebeian) Ok, so our hero is looking at a jigsaw labelled '50000 pieces' (big jigsaw!!!), and he says it's 'a 49999'. Correct Does he know at once that there's in fact 49999? Yes Has he been told this? Not necessarily or is he being given the jigsaw specifically because it's got a piece missing? FA Is he looking for the missing piece? No Or does he have to count the existing pieces to confirm the number? No is he helping someone complete the jigsaw? Noish Howard Wilde (Woodworm) Is he an official jigsaw checker? No Is his job to assemble the pieces before putting them in the bag? No Is the 49999 a new jigsaw or a secondhand one? Irrelevant Is he performing some sort of world record attempt at jigsaw assembly? No Remember he is a silly kind of charity worker | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 161 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is the jigsaw assembled when he sees it? And therefore he knows instantly that there's a piece missing? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 49 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is the jigsaw assembled when he sees it? And therefore he knows instantly that there's a piece missing? Exactly Only thing that remains is to find out what kind of fictional charity he is working for | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 165 Registered: 7-2006 |
The "lost jigsaw piece appreciation society"? The "missing piece finders of Great Britain"? (or your country of origin ) The "Jigsaw restoration club"? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 50 Registered: 7-2006 |
The "lost jigsaw piece appreciation society"? The "missing piece finders of Great Britain"? (or your country of origin ) The "Jigsaw restoration club"? None of these, sorry | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 170 Registered: 7-2006 |
Ok, it is true that the jigsaws are connected with the charity? Does the charity aim to add the 'missing piece' to these puzzles? Is the charity connected with the distribution of complete puzzles? Or the distribution of incomplete puzzles? Are the 'subjects' of the charity (i.e. those the charity is designed to help) People? Animals? Jigsaws?? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 51 Registered: 7-2006 |
Ok, it is true that the jigsaws are connected with the charity? Yes Does the charity aim to add the 'missing piece' to these puzzles? No Is the charity connected with the distribution of complete puzzles? No Or the distribution of incomplete puzzles? No Are the 'subjects' of the charity (i.e. those the charity is designed to help) People? Yes Animals? No Jigsaws??No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 174 Registered: 7-2006 |
Do the charity workers aim to raise money? by selling the jigsaws? Complete? or incomplete? Are the subjects of the charity physically disadvantaged (i.e. handicapped)? Mentally disadvantaged? in a disadvantaged situation? (e.g. poor/homeless)? Victims of some disaster? Is the nature or their need actually relevant? Is the jigsaw actually relevant to their cause? Or just one of several things at, say, a jumble sale in their benefit? | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 329 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is he a post-assembly trauma counsellor who comforts people who have spent years assembling a jigsaw only to find it has a piece missing? | ||
| Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 53 Registered: 7-2006 |
Do the charity workers aim to raise money? by selling the jigsaws? Complete? or incomplete? Are the subjects of the charity physically disadvantaged (i.e. handicapped)? Mentally disadvantaged? No to these in a disadvantaged situation? (e.g. poor/homeless)? Yes (but not your examples) Victims of some disaster? I guess you could say that Is the nature or their need actually relevant? Yes Is the jigsaw actually relevant to their cause? Yes Or just one of several things at, say, a jumble sale in their benefit?No Is he a post-assembly trauma counsellor who comforts people who have spent years assembling a jigsaw only to find it has a piece missing? Exactly! ****************** SPOILER ***************** This is from the Norwegian comic "Pondus", where several people from the "Jigsaw puzzler's trauma unit" is on an emergency call-out to a bloke who has just about finished his 50000-piece jigsaw puzzle and found one piece to be missing. In the last frame, outside of the house, we see the main character Pondus' young, badly-behaved son, together with his accomplice, with evil grins on their faces, playing with the last piece. | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 177 Registered: 7-2006 |
Good one! I thought I was getting close, but the type of charity never entered my head. We could have been here a while longer... |
