| Author | Message | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
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It took the long way around, managed to slow down, but still killed him. | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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It: an animal? some other living thing? an object? a vehicle? car? bus? train? plane? motorbike? bicycle? Did it kill him directly? Did it have physical contact with him? Him = human? adult? male? If it hadn't slowed down, would it still have killed him? If it hadn't taken the long way round, would it still have killed him? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
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It: an animal? No some other living thing? No an object? Yes a vehicle? No car? No bus? No train? No plane? No motorbike? No bicycle? No Did it kill him directly? Yes Did it have physical contact with him? Yes Him = human? Yes adult? Yes male? Yes If it hadn't slowed down, would it still have killed him? No If it hadn't taken the long way round, would it still have killed him? No | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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A large object? is it circular? squar-ish? rectangular? irregular? How does it move--is it thrown by someone? does it have its own ability to move? {eg clockwork, mechanisms etc) Is this a common object? Something one can find in almost every home? Does it have an artificial brain? Does it hit him? Does this cause his death? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
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A large object? No is it circular? Yesish squar-ish? No rectangular? Yesish irregular? Yesish How does it move--is it thrown by someone? No does it have its own ability to move? No {eg clockwork, mechanisms etc) Is this a common object? Yes Something one can find in almost every home? No Does it have an artificial brain? No Does it hit him? Yes Does this cause his death? Yes | ||
| Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Is it hard? Made of--glass? rubber? cloth? brick? clay? porcelain? wood? metal? stone? Was his death an accident? Murder? Did the object fall from a height? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
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Is it hard? Yes Made of--glass? No rubber? No cloth? No brick? No clay? No porcelain? No wood? No metal? Yes stone? No Was his death an accident? Yes Murder? No Did the object fall from a height? No | ||
| Robin Smith (Robin_smith)
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Is it a bullet? Did this incident take place inside? outside? Long way round - inside his body? On the way to him? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
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Is it a bullet? Yes Did this incident take place inside? outside? Both Long way round - inside his body? No On the way to him? Yes | ||
| Puzzllover |
Did it slow down in his body? Or was there something it hit before it hit his body that made it slow down? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
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Did it slow down in his body? There was slow down in his body, but not the main source Or was there something it hit before it hit his body that made it slow down? YES | ||
| Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
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The something else that it hit...water? a solid object? did the something else change the trajectory of the bullet, thus the "long way around" | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Was the bullet fired straight into the air, slowed by gravity (and re-accelerated afterwards), then it hit his body? | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Was the bullet a ricochet? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
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Beccaann: The something else that it hit...water? No a solid object? Yes did the something else change the trajectory of the bullet, thus the "long way around" Yes Sobs: Was the bullet fired straight into the air, slowed by gravity (and re-accelerated afterwards), then it hit his body? No, but funny none the less... BOSS! THE BOOLEETS! 0815: Was the bullet a ricochet? Yes - Now figure out what makes the ricochet so odd | ||
| Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Did he fire the bullet? Was he intending to kill someone or something by doing so? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
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Woodworm: Did he fire the bullet? No Was he intending to kill someone or something by doing so? No | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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True story? Fictional? Could this happen in reality? Did the bullet ricochet multiple times? Did it ricochet off something where you wouldn't expect ricocheting? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
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0815: True story? Yes Fictional? No Could this happen in reality? It did! ;) Did the bullet ricochet multiple times? No, once. Did it ricochet off something where you wouldn't expect ricocheting? Yes | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
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Wild stab... Silicone relevant? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
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Wild stab... Silicone relevant? Nope - Dirty mind... | ||
| Puzzllover |
Did it ricochet off Glass? wood? metal? water?(um, no, I think) another person? an animal? something more organic? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 51 Registered: 6-2006 |
Did it ricochet off Glass? No wood? No metal? No water?(um, no, I think) No another person? No an animal? No something more organic? No | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
New member Username: Solane Post Number: 276 Registered: 5-2006 |
The atmoshere? Building? A man made structure? Man made something? Relevent who shot the gun? Relevent where in the world this happened? The thing it ht to slow down and the thing it hit to ricochet off the same? Bullet fired up? Down? Parallel(aproomately) to ground? At an angle? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 52 Registered: 6-2006 |
The atmoshere? No Building? Yesish A man made structure? Yesish Man made something? Yes - Explore Relevent who shot the gun? Noish Relevent where in the world this happened? Yes The thing it ht to slow down and the thing it hit to ricochet off the same? No Bullet fired up? Down? Parallel(aproomately) to ground? At an angle? This One | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 357 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the bullet fired at an angle pointing toward the ground? up in the air? Did it ricochet off something soft? fragile? small? far away? moving? solid? liquid? Did this happen in Europe? the Americas? Africa? Asia? Australia? the Arctic? the Antarctic? at sea? in the air? in space? Relevant when this happened? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 53 Registered: 6-2006 |
Was the bullet fired at an angle pointing toward the ground? No up in the air? Yesish Did it ricochet off something soft? Yes fragile? No small? No far away? Not particularly moving? No solid? Yes liquid? No Did this happen in Europe? No the Americas? Yes Africa? No Asia? No Australia? No the Arctic? No the Antarctic? No at sea? No in the air? No in space? No Relevant when this happened? Nope | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 54 Registered: 6-2006 |
Well, Im going to give this a little recap to kinda push this along a touch. We have determined that a male was shot and killed with a bullet. We have also found out that this bullet had ricocheted of off something soft and solid. The bullet was fired up at an angle, but not up into the sky. All that needs to be figured out now is what did the bullet richochet off of specifically, and what makes this "death by bullet" unusual enough for me to memorialize it here... Maybe I should give you a hint... The man was shot with a high caliber bullet, but theres something odd about his death concerning that fact... | ||
| Anastas (Aragorn)
New member Username: Aragorn Post Number: 17 Registered: 8-2004 |
Did the bullet enter his body from one place, travel up/down his body stopping in his heart/head? | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 185 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was the bullet fired from a gun? From the same caliber gun as the bullet? When it hit the man, did it still have enough momentum to penetrate the man's body? Did this happen inside a building? Or outside close to a building? The thing that the bullet bounced off - If I went up to this thing and pushed it with my hand, would it resist my hand totally? Give a little? Give quite a lot? Would my hand come away wet? or Sticky? Would any part of the thing transfer from the thing to my hand? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 55 Registered: 6-2006 |
Aragorn: Did the bullet enter his body from one place, travel up/down his body stopping in his heart/head? No, entered in one place and travelled a short distance Plebian: Was the bullet fired from a gun? Yes From the same caliber gun as the bullet? Yes When it hit the man, did it still have enough momentum to penetrate the man's body? Penetrate? Yes. Did it come out? No. Did this happen inside a building? Yes and No - Explore. Or outside close to a building? Yes and no - again, explore. The thing that the bullet bounced off - If I went up to this thing and pushed it with my hand, would it resist my hand totally? Give a little? Give quite a lot? The entire thing itself would move with minimal force, but if you wish to distort this object, it would require more force. Would my hand come away wet? No or Sticky? No Would any part of the thing transfer from the thing to my hand? No | ||
| Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 170 Registered: 6-2006 |
was the shooter intending to hit the object that the bullet bounced off of? | ||
| Anastas (Aragorn)
New member Username: Aragorn Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2004 |
was the shooter in a building and the victim outside / vice versa? were they both in the same building, the victim living on the upper floor? | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 382 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the wound caused by the bullet directly kill the man? Was there some secondary effect that caused his death? Did the impact of the bullet make him fall down? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 56 Registered: 6-2006 |
beccaann: was the shooter intending to hit the object that the bullet bounced off of? Not at all! aragorn: was the shooter in a building and the victim outside? Shooter and Shootee were in separate buildings were they both in the same building, the victim living on the upper floor? See above 0815: Did the wound caused by the bullet directly kill the man? Yes Was there some secondary effect that caused his death? No Did the impact of the bullet make him fall down? Yes inasmuch as a dead man will fall down... | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 209 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did the bullet have to pass through glass to get from gun to shootee? Did the bullet strike another living thing on the way to the living-when-it-hit-him-but-dead-now shootee? Was the building holding the shooter a 'normal' building (e.g. house/office/tower block), which would appear normal to most people? Same question for the shootee's building? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 57 Registered: 6-2006 |
Plebian: Did the bullet have to pass through glass to get from gun to shootee? Nope Did the bullet strike another living thing on the way to the living-when-it-hit-him-but-dead-now shootee? Nope Was the building holding the shooter a 'normal' building (e.g. house/office/tower block), which would appear normal to most people? The building the shooter was in would appear normal to people of his ilk. Same question for the shootee's building? The building the shootee was in would look normal to all of us. | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 395 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the shooter a hunter? Is the thing the bullet ricocheted off outside? manmade? a tree? | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 212 Registered: 7-2006 |
maybe asked before Is the shooter: - Male? Adult? Human? Living (at the time of the incident)? Would the shooter's building be likely to be seen On a normal city-centre street? In a quiet village? On a county Lane? In the jungle? In the arctic (or antarctic)? In the sea? In the air? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 58 Registered: 6-2006 |
0815: Is the shooter a hunter? Possibly, but not crucial to the story Is the thing the bullet ricocheted off outside? No manmade? Yes a tree? No Plebian: maybe asked before Is the shooter: - Male? Yes, but NR Adult? Yes Human? Yes Living (at the time of the incident)? Yes Would the shooter's building be likely to be seen On a normal city-centre street? No In a quiet village? Possibly On a county Lane? No In the jungle? No In the arctic (or antarctic)? No In the sea? No In the air? No Im going to focus this and say that the shooter was in one building and the shootee was in another. Just need to figure out what the bullet ricocheted off of now. | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 408 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the bullet ricochet off something in the shooter's building? in the shootee's building? between the two buildings? Did the shooter intend to shoot anyone? an animal? at an object? Did he intend to shoot at all? Was he disturbed while shooting? Did he sneeze? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 59 Registered: 6-2006 |
0815: Did the bullet ricochet off something in the shooter's building? NO in the shootee's building? {YES} between the two buildings? No Did the shooter intend to shoot anyone? Not at ALL an animal? No at an object? YES Did he intend to shoot at all? !!NO!! Was he disturbed while shooting? No Did he sneeze? No | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 226 Registered: 7-2006 |
So this was an accidental killing, right? Did the bullet ricochet of another human? Or another living (? or once living?) thing? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 60 Registered: 6-2006 |
Plebian: So this was an accidental killing, right? Correct Did the bullet ricochet of another human? No Or another living (? or once living?) thing? No, it ricocheted off of something man made. If you pushed this item, the whole item would move, but it would require a little more force to distort this object. It is not wet, nor soft. | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 230 Registered: 7-2006 |
Would the item move because it isn't very heavy? Is the item filled with air? Like a baloon? Or like a sponge, solid in itself though containing lots of air? | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 412 Registered: 3-2006 |
Made mostly of wood? metal? plastic? cloth? glass? Leather? Size: Smaller than a golf ball? smaller than a soccer ball? smaller than a chair? smaller than a car? Window pane?? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 61 Registered: 6-2006 |
Plebian: Would the item move because it isn't very heavy? Yes Is the item filled with air? No Like a baloon? No Or like a sponge, solid in itself though containing lots of air? Yesish... Dont want to confuse though. It is a solid item 0815: Made mostly of wood? This is probably the closest in a losse sense metal? No plastic? No cloth? No glass? No Leather? No Size: Smaller than a golf ball? smaller than a soccer ball? smaller than a chair? This one smaller than a car? Window pane?? Hmmm... It passed through a window, but it was an open window, so no. ;) | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 234 Registered: 7-2006 |
But the assumption that the bullet didn't pass through the intermediate object is correct, right? Did the object break when the bullet hit it? Was the object: - connected to the shooter's building? connected to the shooter himself? connected to the shootee's building? connected to the shootee himself? if any 'he's are 'her's, apologies  flying in the air? floating in the air? (I assume we can take it that the shooting was an accident, that the shooter merely dropped or picked up the gun & it went off, and that the point of significance now is what the strange object it was the bullet ricoched off?) | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 62 Registered: 6-2006 |
Plebian: But the assumption that the bullet didn't pass through the intermediate object is correct, right? Correct. It bounced off this object Did the object break when the bullet hit it? It didnt break, but it was gouged Was the object: - connected to the shooter's building? No connected to the shooter himself? No connected to the shootee's building? Yes connected to the shootee himself? No if any 'he's are 'her's, apologies Tis fine, gender doesnt matter for the story, but established as both male. flying in the air? No floating in the air? No (I assume we can take it that the shooting was an accident, that the shooter merely dropped or picked up the gun & it went off, and that the point of significance now is what the strange object it was the bullet ricoched off?) Very very good. Once you have that piece of data, I will reveal the solution. | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 236 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was it something likely to be seen attached to a building of the kind inhabited by the shootee on a regular basis? Or only at certain times of the year? if so: - Christmas? Easter? Spring? Summer? Autumn? Winter? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 63 Registered: 6-2006 |
Plebian: Was it something likely to be seen attached to a building of the kind inhabited by the shootee on a regular basis? Year round. Also, what was struck was inside the building | ||
| Mike Holden (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 237 Registered: 7-2006 |
And the angle of the bullet was slanting upward before it hit whatever it deflected off, right? Something on the ceiling of the shootee's room? If the bullet had struck at a more perpendicular angle to the object, would it have penetrated? Would if have passed through? If a man were to push, say, a pencil into the object at right angles, would the pencil penetrate? | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 64 Registered: 6-2006 |
Plebian: And the angle of the bullet was slanting upward before it hit whatever it deflected off, right? Yes Something on the ceiling of the shootee's room? Yesssss -- Getting Closer If the bullet had struck at a more perpendicular angle to the object, would it have penetrated? Yessss Would if have passed through? Yessssss If a man were to push, say, a pencil into the object at right angles, would the pencil penetrate? YES, many try to by throwing the pencils Cmon... Its in your sights... finish it! | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 238 Registered: 7-2006 |
suspended ceiling tiles? light fitting? | ||
| Endeffect (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 65 Registered: 6-2006 |
Plebian: suspended ceiling tiles? And thats the spoiler... ********SPOILER********* A shooter on an outdoor range was practicing with a somewhat modified model 1911. The fellow had fired and during the recoil, with the pistol still being directed upward, another round was discharged. It was determined that the firing pin failed to disengage. The range building and the firing range were adjacent to each other, but the building was down range from the firing lines. That is to say if you fired down range at this place, you would be shooting at the range building. The actual range had several overhead baffles, which were damaged and spaced improperly, and some rather high berms surrounded it, with the building being about a foot or two taller than the berm at the end of the range. The shooter had ignored one of the range rules that stated no one was to shoot forward of a certain line. He was forward of this line when his pistol malfunctioned, the misfired slug going between the protective baffles, missing one of the baffles by inches. The round continued on and just barely topped the berm at the end of the range; by inches again. The .45 round penetrated the metal siding into the building. Once inside, the projectile struck the ceiling tiles, those white acoustic type tiles, and ricocheted back down toward the floor. The ceiling tile was shown to have a 10"-12" gash cause by the slug. The bullet passed through another interior wall just missing a wall stud and some other obstructions, thus reducing its speed dramatically (an electrical wiring harness and some cleaning tools...broom, mop, etc...) and then went on to strike a boy in the head. The bullet had lost enough velocity that it managed to enter the boy’s head, but not exit. This bullet somehow found the path of least resistance, missing 7 or 8 different things that would have most likely stopped it before ever reaching the child. Ballistic testing matched the round to the pistol and quite a bit of computer reconstruction determined the exact route of the slug and that the shooter's handgun had indeed discharged a second time during recoil; it was a malfunction and not a second pull of the trigger. ******** END SPOILER *********** I found this story very interesting and worthy of a puzzle. Good job everyone! | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 248 Registered: 7-2006 |
Good one (the bit about the pencils was a giveaway). If those ceiling tiles are the kind of thing you get in many offices, it's even more surprising that this incident occurred. They're made of compressed fibre, and it's quite easy to put your finger through one, so the bullet must've come at a narrow angle to actually deflect | ||
| Endeffect (Endeffect)
New member Username: Endeffect Post Number: 66 Registered: 6-2006 |
I would imagine it was quite a narrow angle beings that the gash was almost a foot long... I hope I didnt make it TOO easy with the pencils clue... |
