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Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 3:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob is on trial.He is guilty AND innocent.
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 3:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob = human? adult? male?
Trial: in court? accused of crime?
Relevant what he is on trial for? Robbery? Murder? Fraud? Kidnapping? other?
Has he been accused of only one crime? 2? more?
Guilty = responsible for the crime? does he just feel guilty?
Innocent = he has no blame for the crime? innocent in the sense that he lacks knowledge of something?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 3:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob = human? adult? male?Yes to all
Trial: in court? accused of crime?Yes to both
Relevant what he is on trial for?Yes Robbery? Murder? Fraud? Kidnapping?No to all other?Yes
Has he been accused of only one crime?Yes 2? more?
Guilty = responsible for the crime?Yesdoes he just feel guilty?No
Innocent = he has no blame for the crime?Yes innocent in the sense that he lacks knowledge of something?No
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 4:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Bob commit the crime? was he an accessory to the crime?
Assault? Burglary? Arson? Rape? Smuggling? Drugs related? Forgery? Embezzlement of funds? Child pornography? any violence of any kind? any deaths? any injuries?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 4:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Bob commit the crime?Yes was he an accessory to the crime?No
Assault? Burglary? Arson? Rape? Smuggling? Drugs related? Forgery? Embezzlement of funds? Child pornography? any violence of any kind? any deaths? any injuries?None of these...

Once you find out what it is,it might help work out how he can be guilty and innocent... :-)
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 4:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bribery? Tax evasion? Stalking?
Was it some sort of computer crime? Did he hack into somewhere? cause some big company's website to crash?
Did he knowingly commit the crime? was it an accident? did he have no other choice but to commit it?
Was the crime indecent exposure? Did he walk out of the house, forgetting to put on his pants? [There was a guy I read about in the papers who did that once, haha..]
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 4:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bribery? Tax evasion? Stalking?
Was it some sort of computer crime? Did he hack into somewhere? cause some big company's website to crash?None of these
Did he knowingly commit the crime?No was it an accident?Yesish did he have no other choice but to commit it?No
Was the crime indecent exposure? Did he walk out of the house, forgetting to put on his pants? [There was a guy I read about in the papers who did that once, haha..]No

Mmm...it was a 'guy in the papers'who did this??...we believe you... :-)
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 5:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haha, of course you should believe me--the man in question was old and senile; young bright females such as myself never forget any items of clothing, trust me. :-)

And I think I'm running out of crimes. Is it a major crime? What will his punishment be if found guilty--death? imprisonment? less than a year? less than 5 years? 10? 15? 20? 25? 30? more? Or will he just be fined?
A traffic related crime? a domestic crime?
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 5:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant in which country this takes place? Laws of that country relevant? Would Bob's crime still be considered a crime in most parts of the world?
Is the title a hint to the nature of Bob's crime, by the way?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 4:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 5:13 pm:

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Haha, of course you should believe me--the man in question was old and senile; young bright females such as myself never forget any items of clothing, trust me.

And I think I'm running out of crimes. Is it a major crime?Yes What will his punishment be if found guilty--death?No imprisonment?Yes less than a year? less than 5 years? 10? 15? 20? 25? 30? more?I don't know Or will he just be fined?No
A traffic related crime? a domestic crime?Neither

Relevant in which country this takes place?Yesish Laws of that country relevant?YopeWould Bob's crime still be considered a crime in most parts of the world?Yope
Is the title a hint to the nature of Bob's crime, by the way?Yesish
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 5:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The country--somewhere in Asia? Africa? Europe? North America? South America? Australia?
Did Bob desrroy someone else's property? his own? Did he cause any harm to himself? Was it a sexual offence?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The country--somewhere in Asia? Africa? Europe? North America? South America? Australia?No to all :-)
Did Bob desrroy someone else's property?No his own?No Did he cause any harm to himself?No Was it a sexual offence?Yes
Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Country on an island? On Earth?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Country on an island?Yope On Earth?Yesish
Masha
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 3:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I shall join...

Is this place real?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 11:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Masha!

Is this place real?Yes
SmarterBrother (Mycroft)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 12:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he on board ship?
Mike Holden (Plebeian)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 12:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does innocent refer to sexually innocent? Or innocent of the crime?
Does guily refer to criminal guilt? Or shame?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 1:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mycroft

Is he on board ship?No

Plebeian

Does innocent refer to sexually innocent?No Or innocent of the crime?Yes
Does guily refer to criminal guilt?Yes Or shame?No
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 1:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this a country at all? Are they somewhere in the atmosphere? underwater?
Did he have sex with a human? If so, one? 2? 3? 4? more? Was it consensual? Was the person underage? Was it an alien? :-)
Is this a true story? could it be?
Mike Holden (Plebeian)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 1:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there only one crime here, to which he is somehow both guilty and innocent? Or is he guilty of one crime yet innocent of another (more serious?) crime?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 4:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jumping Jack
Is this a country at all?No Are they somewhere in the atmosphere?Yes underwater?
Did he have sex with a human?Yes If so, one?Yes 2? 3? 4? more?No to all! Was it consensual?Yes Was the person underage?Yope Was it an alien?No.Bob resents the implication he has a bizarre sexual fetish for little green men
Is this a true story?I don't know could it be?Yes
Plebeian
Is there only one crime here, to which he is somehow both guilty and innocent?Yes Or is he guilty of one crime yet innocent of another (more serious?) crime?No...ish.Maybe a FA
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 4:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

(The little green men resent the fact that Bob resents the implication)

Do Bob and co live in this place permanently? Are they in a spaceship, rocket etc?
Is Bob's non-green sexual partner also on trial? Female/male? How old is he/she--15? 16? 17? 18? Did he/she lie to Bob about his/her age? Is his/her age the reason why Bob is being put on trial?
Is there a jury? a judge? is the verdict out yet?
Mike Holden (Plebeian)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 5:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So Bob is guilty and innocent of the same crime?
Has he done this action more than once? And sometimes it's a crime and sometime it isn't?
Is he guilty and innocent because of age-related reasons? Or family-related reasons? (e.g. I think in some places it's ok to 'do it' with your cousin. In fact, in some places I think it's compulsory :-o )
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 6:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jumping JacK

Do Bob and co live in this place permanently?No Are they in a spaceship, rocket etc?Yope
Is Bob's non-green sexual partner also on trial?No Female/male?Female How old is he/she--15?Yes16?Yes 17?No 18?No Did he/she lie to Bob about his/her age?No Is his/her age the reason why Bob is being put on trial?Yes
Is there a jury?Yes a judge?Yes is the verdict out yet?Irrel


Plebeian

So Bob is guilty and innocent of the same crime?Yes
Has he done this action more than once?Yes And sometimes it's a crime and sometime it isn't?Yes
Is he guilty and innocent because of age-related reasons?Yes Or family-related reasons? (e.g. I think in some places it's ok to 'do it' with your cousin. In fact, in some places I think it's compulsory :-o )No.Bob is not a resident of Arkansas.And she's not his sister.So that rules out Missouri
Mike Holden (Plebeian)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 8:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he guilty because the sex began when she was younger than presently, when it was illegal, and continued to now when it isn't?
(presumably on separate occasions...? though I suppose a liaison could cross a birthday during the act?)
Or was he guilty because at some place they've been it's ok at their ages, and at some other place they've been it's illegal?
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 8:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they perhaps in an airplane in which they crossed time zones during the act, so that by his watch she had turned 16, presumably the legal age, but it was actually an hour before by the real time?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 11:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he guilty because the sex began when she was younger than presently, when it was illegal, and continued to now when it isn't?
(presumably on separate occasions...? though I suppose a liaison could cross a birthday during the act?) Yes
Or was he guilty because at some place they've been it's ok at their ages, and at some other place they've been it's illegal?No
Mike Holden (Plebeian)
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Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 9:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, at one point Bob has sex with a girl (Carole, ok?) who is too young, this being a crime?
And later (? Or on the same occasion?) has sex with the now older Carole. Right?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
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Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 11:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they perhaps in an airplane in which they crossed time zones during the act, so that by his watch she had turned 16, presumably the legal age, but it was actually an hour before by the real time?Yes

Near enough for a *SPOILER*...

Bob and his girl are in an airplane overnight on the night of her 16th birthday.At midnight,she becomes 16 and Bob dives in to have his wicked way with her quite legally. Shortly after,they pass a time zone,which means technically the clock goes back an hour-in theory she is now only 15 and Bob is committing a crime until the flight has advanced enough that even with the time zone,she is still safely 16.

It could be argued that since the location of the time zone is impossible to tell,you should add all the time on arrival,in which case Bob is happily innocent.

Bob is not permitted to fly with Little Green Man Airlines anymore.For those of you disturbed at Bob being an adult,imagine he's 18 if that makes you feel happier.

Thanks for flying Lemon Puzzles.Try the ABC one
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
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Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 11:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haha, nice one. :-)
Mike Holden (Plebeian)
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Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Very good.
Technically, I'd suggest that if he's done the deed at any time when it's illegal, then he's guilty, the fact that at some other time it's not illegal is irrelevant - he's guilty as charged.
On the other hand, when travelling in an aeroplane one doesn't continually alter the 'plane' time to match the time zone being travelled through, it's usually deemed (I think) to be the time zone of the departure airport until close to landing, when it's deemed to be the timezone of the arrival airport.
Now if they'd crossed the international date line, that would be different... :-)
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 1:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hahaha. Great puzzle. Brilliant title too. You should set crosswords, if you don't already :-)

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