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Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 11:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I followed the sign, and headed off in the wrong direction.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 1:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the sign correct?

Did you follow the correct sign?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 7:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Followed the sign = went in the direction indicated by the sign? or was the sign moving, and you followed after it?
Did you misinterpret the sign?
London Underground relevant?
Torgeir Apeland (Abc)
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 7:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

An actual, physical sign?
With writing on it?
With one or more icons on it?
Does it in any way incorporate an arrow?
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 1:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the sign correct? yes

Did you follow the correct sign? yes

Followed the sign = went in the direction indicated by the sign? yes-ish or was the sign moving, and you followed after it? no, nothing like this

Did you misinterpret the sign? yes
London Underground relevant? no

An actual, physical sign? yes
With writing on it? yes
With one or more icons on it? yes
Does it in any way incorporate an arrow? yes
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 3:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the arrow straight? Was it pointing up? down? left? right?
Did the sign indicate distance? (eg turn right in 300m) any confusion over this?
Was the sign in a building? By the road? In a park or similar?
Were you driving? riding a bike? walking? relevant?
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 3:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the arrow straight? yes Was it pointing up? no down? no left? one doing this right? and one doing this

Did the sign indicate distance? no (eg turn right in 300m) any confusion over this? no
Was the sign in a building? no By the road? this one is nearest: it is a roadsign In a park or similar? no: it is in a village, actually

Were you driving? this one riding a bike? walking? relevant? not really: only that I might have had more time to inspect the sign if I'd been walking. My misinterpretation was still a completely understandable one.
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 4:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

arrows like this?
<->
or this?
-> <-
or neither?
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 4:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the purpose of the sign to lead you to just one destination? Or did each arrow point to two completely different locations?
Did you turn right or left?
Was it a large signboard? How many icons were on it--1? 2? 3? more?
The words on it--did they indicate direction? or were they the names of the locations they were pointing towards?
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 6:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

arrows like this?
<->
or this?
-> <-
or neither?

er .... not a single arrow with two heads, no: closer to the second one but not in that arrangement
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 6:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the purpose of the sign to lead you to just one destination? no Or did each arrow point to two completely different locations? this one
Did you turn right this one or left?
Was it a large signboard? not especially How many icons were on it--1? 2? 3? more? the two arrows are relevant: there were perhaps other icons on there but they are not important

The words on it--did they indicate direction? no or were they the names of the locations they were pointing towards? yes
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 6:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were te arrows on a sign for a roundabout? or other such road feature? Did they indicate towns? landmarks/place of interest? color of the sign relevant? was it a sign put up by the council or one of those temporary signs? traffic diversion relevant
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 6:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the arrows on a sign for a roundabout? no or other such road feature? yes Did they indicate towns? yes landmarks/place of interest? no: just towns color of the sign relevant? not really: only with respect to one minor detail was it a sign put up by the council this or one of those temporary signs? no traffic diversion relevant? no
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 6:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

were the words between the arrows?
(<--blah>?)
above them? below them?
on the outside of them
(Blah <--> Blergh?)

Did the arrows indicate turns that you would need to make? lanes that you needed to be in?

Did you turn the wrong way because you misread the words? Because you had the name of the town wrong?
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were the words between the arrows?
(<--blah>?) not this


above them? below them? No-ish or yope: very hard to answer clearly without drawing a diagram which would in fact be the answer. Some icons/words are above and/or below others, let's say.

on the outside of them
(Blah <--> Blergh?) not this

Did the arrows indicate turns that you would need to make? this one lanes that you needed to be in? not this one

Did you turn the wrong way because you misread the words? no Because you had the name of the town wrong? no
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town a
-->
<---
town b
?


or

town a
<----
town b
---->
?
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 8:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

town a
-->
<---
town b
?


or

town a
<----
town b
---->
?


Neither of those configurations, but otrt.
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Did the confusion lie with the fact the some words were above the arrows and some were below? thus not making it very clear which word belonged with which arrow?
were there words other than names of places on the sign?
Were the arrows different colours?
Are the names of the places on the sign relevant?
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the confusion lie with the fact the some words were above the arrows and some were below? not quite but otrt thus not making it very clear which word belonged with which arrow? exactly this: the key is in the design of the sign, a sort of spatial/visual puzzle

were there words other than names of places on the sign? no or irrel

Were the arrows different colours? no
Are the names of the places on the sign relevant? No. But let's call them Saintes and Rochefort, because that is what they happened to be, and it might make it easier to visualise
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Design fo the sign = its physical shape? the design on the words and arrows on the sign?
'Saintes' and 'Rochefort' sound French, is that relevant? if so is it relevant that you would have been driving on the opposite site of the road?
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Design fo the sign = its physical shape? yesish, and its colour, relative to something else, is vaguely relevant also the design on the words and arrows on the sign? only their spatial arrangement, which caused my mistake

'Saintes' and 'Rochefort' sound French, is that relevant? no if so is it relevant that you would have been driving on the opposite site of the road? Good thinking but no. Actually, French signs are normally very clear, but this one wasn't. Now Belgian road signs ... they're a different matter altogether. :-)
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was the sign rectangular? square? round? triangular?
Relevant Colour - the background colour of the sign? was it blue? green? white? yellow?
Spatial arrangement - Did the wording of Saintes appear above Rochefort? below? beside? Did the way they were arranged look as though Saintes Rochefort was all one place rather than two separate places?
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was the sign rectangular? partly this square? round? triangular? none of these
Relevant Colour - the background colour of the sign? was it blue? green? white? this one yellow?

Spatial arrangement - Did the wording of Saintes appear above Rochefort? no below? yope beside? no Did the way they were arranged look as though Saintes Rochefort was all one place rather than two separate places? no
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Partly? - was some of the sign missing? was there more than one sign which led to your confusion?
Was the wording of Saintes below and to the left of Rochefort? below and to the right?
Was it the sign that was white? the arrows? the wording of the place names?
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Partly? - was some of the sign missing? no was there more than one sign which led to your confusion? not exactly: a single signpost with various elements, you could say
Was the wording of Saintes below and to the left of Rochefort? below and to the right? this
Was it the sign that was white? yes the arrows? the wording of the place names? no to others
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is the colour of the wording or arrows relevant? was the sign obscured by something? was there another sign next to this sign? which gave different directions?
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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is the colour of the wording or arrows relevant? no: plain black was the sign obscured by something? no was there another sign next to this sign? no which gave different directions? no
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Were the signs displayed anything like this...?

<- Rochefort

^ Saintes


So that it looks as thought the arrow for Saintes is pointing North?

Was your ability to see the sign clearly impaired? i.e. reflection from the sun on a white sign?
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<- Rochefort

^ Saintes


So that it looks as thought the arrow for Saintes is pointing North? no: one arrow pointed left and one right

Was your ability to see the sign clearly impaired? i.e. reflection from the sun on a white sign? not this: if you saw the sign in any weather you would understand my mistake straight away
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<--> Saintes
m|| Rochefort
?
(Ignore the m)
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<--> Saintes
m|| Rochefort
?
(Ignore the m)

no: simpler than this :-)
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Was one sign shaped like an arrow, so like
| Saintes > ?

Did the signpost look like this?
< Rochefort | | Elsewhere
< Elsewhere | | Saintes

(whith arrows also to the right, but I cannot post them in one line)

Did the sign stand in front of a white house?
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Was one sign shaped like an arrow, so like
| Saintes > ?

Did the signpost look like this?
< Rochefort | | Elsewhere
< Elsewhere | | Saintes

(whith arrows also to the right, but I cannot post them in one line)

I see what you mean, but no. Actually this happened on another occasion. My local supermarket used to be called Hillards, and their logo was an H incorporating a right-pointing arrow. Unfortunately you needed to turn left, but people used to follow the logo and end up in a breaker's yard.

Did the sign stand in front of a white house? YES!
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Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 2:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

....>.......town b
town a......<

??
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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...>.......town b
town a......<

Aaaah, almost there! Right in principle, but not quite: also the detail of the white sign/white house needs explaining, and you have it.
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Were there two white signs and the gap between them could not be seen because of the white house?

Did it maybe look like this:

_________ __________
| Saintes | | ==>...... |
| <==.... | |Rochefort |
---------- ------------

which could be read like
______________________
| Saintes ==> ...... |
----------------------
| <== .... Rochefort |
----------------------

?
Howard Wilde (Woodworm)
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Sobs:

Oh .... close enough! You have the main idea.

Actually it is two long thin signs, one above the other, with a near-invisible gap between them.


Top sign reads:...
____________________________________

ROCHEFORT ....................->
____________________________________

and the bottom one reads

____________________________________

<- ..........................SAINTES
____________________________________



But put them together and the effect is:

______________________________________

ROCHEFORT ...................->
<- ........................SAINTES
______________________________________

Naturally enough, I was heading towards Saintes and turned right. Only as I approached the suburbs of Rochefort did I wonder what on earth had gone wrong, so I went back to the village to check it.

Well played: that's the ***SPOILER***
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Bad signage! No cookie.

Good puzzle!

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