| Author | Message | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 913 Registered: 10-2001 |
They don't use yoghurt these days | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 117 Registered: 10-2003 |
I'll start with the usuals...They - human? adult? Is any cooking involved? Do they have a substitute ingredient, or do they just leave the yoghurt out? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 914 Registered: 10-2001 |
I'll start with the usuals... They - human? Yes adult? Yesish Is any cooking involved? No Do they have a substitute ingredient, Yesish - Yope or do they just leave the yoghurt out? see above | ||
| Sherluck_hums (Sherluck_hums)
New member Username: Sherluck_hums Post Number: 42 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is it some kind of fruit salad? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 915 Registered: 10-2001 |
Is it some kind of fruit salad? No | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 93 Registered: 8-2006 |
These days- Stated in the past? near christmas? | ||
| Mycroft (Mycroft)
New member Username: Mycroft Post Number: 128 Registered: 10-2003 |
Teenagers? Are they doing something other than eating? Throwing something? (yoghurt makes a fine mess when thrown, but I'm sure there are other things...) | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 916 Registered: 10-2001 |
Crazypalpig These days- Stated in the past? near christmas? Means: Now / Present day / Recent times Mycroft Teenagers? Mostly adults / a few teenagers (none younger than that) Are they doing something other than eating? Yes Throwing something? No (yoghurt makes a fine mess when thrown, but I'm sure there are other things...) Sounds like fun | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 369 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is it relevant that yogurt contains living bacterial cultures? Is scientific research relevant? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 917 Registered: 10-2001 |
Is it relevant that yogurt contains living bacterial cultures? No (a good idea but not relevant) Is scientific research relevant? No | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 95 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is the time of year relevant? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 918 Registered: 10-2001 |
Is the time of year relevant? No | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 102 Registered: 8-2006 |
Are they making some sort of craft? sending someone something? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 919 Registered: 10-2001 |
Are they making some sort of craft? No sending someone something? Noish | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did they use yoghurt before? The yoghurt is out? they can't get any more yoghurt? They chose not to use yoghurt any more? Are they going to use yoghurt in the future? Are they preparing a sort of meal? Are they producing something? which does not contain yoghurt these days? Do we have to find out more about 'them'? More than 2, 5, 10, 20, ... 1000? Is their profession/sex important? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 920 Registered: 10-2001 |
Did they use yoghurt before? Yes The yoghurt is out? No they can't get any more yoghurt? No They chose not to use yoghurt any more? Yes Are they going to use yoghurt in the future? No Are they preparing a sort of meal? no Are they producing something? Not exactly, no which does not contain yoghurt these days? No Do we have to find out more about 'them'? Yes More than 2, 5, 10, 20, ... 1000? 2 at the moment but there will be more in the future Is their profession/sex important? Yes to profession but not so much as to sex. In this case it is men but it could be women | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is this related to cosmetics? At the moment 'they' are one man and one teenager? Do they prepare a substance? Were the properties of yoghurt important? or rather the word yoghurt? | ||
| Theredlady (Theredlady)
New member Username: Theredlady Post Number: 22 Registered: 8-2006 |
Are you saying the word 'yogurt' (or 'yoghurt') as in a food? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 921 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tobasi Is this related to cosmetics? No At the moment 'they' are one man and one teenager? No they are actually two men but they belong to a group that includes teenagers (and I suppose you could also say that the group includes children) Do they prepare a substance? Noish Were the properties of yoghurt important? In some ways - Yes or rather the word yoghurt? No Theredlady Are you saying the word 'yogurt' (or 'yoghurt') as in a food? Yes | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2006 |
What is relevant about the yoghurt: color? taste? consistency? ingredients? packing? price? weight? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 922 Registered: 10-2001 |
What is relevant about the yoghurt: color? Yes taste? Noish consistency? No ingredients? Yesish packing? Yesish price? No weight? No | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2006 |
Was the yoghurt before used in an uncommon way? To cover something? like paint? Was the color of the yoghurt: white? yellow? pink? orange? darker? Is it relevant that yoghurt contains: milk? water? minerals? vitamines? sugar? fruit? anything else? Does the yoghurt can matter? or what is written on the packing? Is the producer of the yoghurt relevant? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 923 Registered: 10-2001 |
Was the yoghurt before used in an uncommon way? Yope To cover something? No like paint? No Was the color of the yoghurt: white? yellow? pink? orange? darker? There are different colours / colors (USA English :-)) including pink and purple and certainly other colours Is it relevant that yoghurt contains: milk? water? minerals? vitamines? sugar? fruit? anything else? The only relevance is that they are normal yoghurts but different colors / colours (UK English :-))representing different flavours and presumably it is the fruit and any food additives that influence that. Does the yoghurt can matter? Yes, in that it would show what flavour yoghurt and probably make the colour/color visible or what is written on the packing? Yes in that it would give evidence of what flavour yoghurt. Is the producer of the yoghurt relevant? Yope - (could be misleading) Good questions! | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2006 |
Ok, is it true that the colour (british english is OK for me) of the yoghurt was used to code a sort of information? Different sorts of yoghurt (having different colours) were used? The yoghurts were used because more convenient objects were not available? Now, other objects are used replacing the yoghurts? The yoghurts are used: opened? closed? both? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 924 Registered: 10-2001 |
Ok, is it true that the colour (british english is OK for me) of the yoghurt was used to code a sort of information? Bingo, Oui - Tres bien :-) Different sorts of yoghurt (having different colours) were used? Yes The yoghurts were used because more convenient objects were not available? No Now, other objects are used replacing the yoghurts? Sort of but not as straight substitutes - it's more that the method has changed The yoghurts are used: opened? closed? both? Both | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2006 |
Alors... Is the title of the puzzle relevant? Is this a true story? Is the era relevant? if yes: before 1900, 1910.. 2000, 2010? The method they use has changed, can this be considered as progress? The yoghurts were used to communicate? To store information? Did they use a colour code? Is the fact that two men were doing this relevant? Did they do this professionally? Is the number of yoghurts used relevant? If yes [insert list]? Was the yoghurt they used eaten at all? Is the act of opening the yoghurts relevant? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 925 Registered: 10-2001 |
Alors... Is the title of the puzzle relevant? No Is this a true story? Yes Is the era relevant? Yes if yes: before 1900, 1910.. 2000, 2010? 1978 The method they use has changed, can this be considered as progress? Yesish The yoghurts were used to communicate? Yes To store information? No Did they use a colour code? Supposedly - Yes Is the fact that two men were doing this relevant? Let's clarify - the "two men" are using present day methods. In 1978, yoghurts were used Did they do this professionally? Yope - Yesish Is the number of yoghurts used relevant? No If yes [Blueberry was used and others but the number is not relevant]? Was the yoghurt they used eaten at all? Yes - all of it Is the act of opening the yoghurts relevant? No | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 33 Registered: 8-2006 |
The two man are these days communicating with a particular method? Between each other? In 1978 another particular communication method was used? By other people? Is the number of these people relevant? Male/female relevant? Did the yoghurts move? or did the people move for the communication to happen? Are the places (in 1978 and these days) were this happened relevant? | ||
| Lemon_martini2 (Lemon_martini2)
New member Username: Lemon_martini2 Post Number: 76 Registered: 7-2006 |
Anything to do with test tube babies?Er..I'd rather not reveal how my mind linked that with yogurt... | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 926 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tobasi The two man are these days communicating with a particular method? Probably Between each other? No In 1978 another particular communication method was used? Allegedly, Yes By other people? Yes Is the number of these people relevant? Yesish - it was a small group of say less than 10 Male/female relevant? In this puzzle, all of the cases in this true story are men but women may have done something similar but not to my knowledge Did the yoghurts move? Yes but not on their own or did the people move for the communication to happen? People moved the yogurts Are the places (in 1978 and these days) were this happened relevant? Yes Lemon Martini2 Anything to do with test tube babies? No but I'm fascinated Er..I'd rather not reveal how my mind linked that with yogurt... oh okay | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 380 Registered: 3-2006 |
Oh I think I might know the context, but not the details. It's a very high-level game, isn't it? And this is during the Cold War? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 927 Registered: 10-2001 |
Oh I think I might know the context, but not the details. It's a very high-level game, isn't it? And this is during the Cold War? Correct | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 928 Registered: 10-2001 |
Woodworm understands the reference to Yog(h)urt but can he solve the rest of it? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 38 Registered: 8-2006 |
I hope Woodworm will or anyone else who knows the story. I'm stuck and instead of using google I'll wait for help. Nice story so far. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 381 Registered: 3-2006 |
Well, I can tell you what little I know, and take it from there  The 1978 yoghurt reference is Karpov v Korchnoi, the FIDE Chess Championships 1978. Karpov's minders brought him a blueberry yoghurt, and Korchnoi's team believed it was some sort of espionage or signal. (I think I have it the right way round: Korchnoi was the one who defected and became a Swiss national, I think.) So this is about a more modern case of signalling? Is there another context to guess besides the 1978 championships? Is this still chess? Or something else? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 930 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tobasi I hope Woodworm will or anyone else who knows the story. I'm stuck and instead of using google I'll wait for help. Nice story so far. It seems that help is on its way :-) Woodworm Well, I can tell you what little I know, and take it from there :-) The 1978 yoghurt reference is Karpov v Korchnoi, the FIDE Chess Championships 1978. Karpov's minders brought him a blueberry yoghurt, and Korchnoi's team believed it was some sort of espionage or signal. (I think I have it the right way round: Korchnoi was the one who defected and became a Swiss national, I think.) Yes that's right and then there was speculation that other coloured / flavoured yogurts represented different messages So this is about a more modern case of signalling? Yes Is there another context to guess besides the 1978 championships? Only the present day situation in Chess Is this still chess? Yes Or something else? No | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 931 Registered: 10-2001 |
Anyone want to add anything - or is it time to spoyle? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 41 Registered: 8-2006 |
Please don't spoile yet... I'm back in the game. Is these days refering to a particular year? 1979, 1980... 2006? 'They' to particular chess players? professional ones? Are they using other food/drink? Are chess computer relevant? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 932 Registered: 10-2001 |
Hi Tobasi Please don't spoile yet... I'm back in the game. sehr gut Is these days refering to a particular year? 1979, 1980... 2006? I meant modern times but there has been something very recently (2006) which I have in mind 'They' to particular chess players? Yes professional ones? semi-profesional Are they using other food/drink? No Are chess computer relevant? Yes it seems so | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 45 Registered: 8-2006 |
So a chess player obtained information by a third party during a game. Was this communication visual? gesture? clothing? objects? acoustical? voice? noise pruduced by a person? The person who provided the information was part of the players team? was in the audience of the match? Did this person leave the room during the match? Were there breaks in the match? Did the comunication happen while the clock was ticking? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 933 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tobasi Sorry for the delay - you have done enough to solve this so I will post the solution soon So a chess player obtained information by a third party during a game. Possibly - Yes Was this communication visual? gesture? clothing? objects? None of these acoustical? Yes voice? Yes noise pruduced by a person? The person who provided the information was part of the players team? We don't actually know was in the audience of the match? As above Did this person leave the room during the match? Well, the cheat(s) did Were there breaks in the match? Yes Did the comunication happen while the clock was ticking? Yes | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 934 Registered: 10-2001 |
**************** SPOILER ******************* The 1978 Chess World Championship match between the two Russians, (state groomed champion) Anatoly Karpov and (bitter dissident) Victor Korchnoi, was full of intrigue. At one point Korchnoi and his backup team accused the opponents of cheating. Korchnoi asserted that Karpov's team were sending coded messages indicating the best move for him to make by the use of different coloured/flavoured yogurts that they delivered to Karpov whilst he was playing at the board. The Cold War In Chess makes a fascinating read! More recently at The World Open at Philadelphia this year they used rather more technologically advanced ways to cheat! Modern Cheating Methods And this is what the New York Times had to say | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 55 Registered: 8-2006 |
Nice puzzle Beroean, thank you. The second part reminds me of a cheat a german comedian did to kid chess players: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5io8D99Rk8 | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 937 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tobasi - Thanks for your input into the puzzle :-). I have watched the comedian sketch a couple of times. Is the girl womens master Elizabeth Pahtz (not sure of the spelling)? Hape Kerkeling seems to be seems to be quite popular. It's a pity that my german is so poor - I'd like to understand more about how he is winding people up. | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 64 Registered: 8-2006 |
I know the girl only from the video. She is introduced as the (probalbly german) womens master. I don't understand her last name but her first name surely is Elisabeth. She may have won other titles since then. In Germany Hape Kerkeling is popular for fooling people like this playing each time a different weird character. |
