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Beroean (Beroean)
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Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 5:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They don't use yoghurt these days
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I'll start with the usuals...They - human? adult?
Is any cooking involved?
Do they have a substitute ingredient, or do they just leave the yoghurt out?
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I'll start with the usuals...
They - human? Yes
adult? Yesish
Is any cooking involved? No
Do they have a substitute ingredient, Yesish - Yope
or do they just leave the yoghurt out? see above
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Is it some kind of fruit salad?
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Is it some kind of fruit salad? No
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These days- Stated in the past? near christmas?
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Teenagers?
Are they doing something other than eating?
Throwing something? (yoghurt makes a fine mess when thrown, but I'm sure there are other things...)
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Crazypalpig
These days- Stated in the past? near christmas? Means: Now / Present day / Recent times

Mycroft
Teenagers? Mostly adults / a few teenagers (none younger than that)
Are they doing something other than eating? Yes
Throwing something? No
(yoghurt makes a fine mess when thrown, but I'm sure there are other things...) Sounds like fun
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Is it relevant that yogurt contains living bacterial cultures?

Is scientific research relevant?
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Is it relevant that yogurt contains living bacterial cultures? No (a good idea but not relevant)

Is scientific research relevant? No
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Is the time of year relevant?
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Is the time of year relevant? No
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Are they making some sort of craft? sending someone something?
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Are they making some sort of craft? No
sending someone something? Noish
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Did they use yoghurt before?
The yoghurt is out? they can't get any more yoghurt? They chose not to use yoghurt any more? Are they going to use yoghurt in the future?
Are they preparing a sort of meal? Are they producing something? which does not contain yoghurt these days?
Do we have to find out more about 'them'? More than 2, 5, 10, 20, ... 1000? Is their profession/sex important?
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Did they use yoghurt before? Yes
The yoghurt is out? No
they can't get any more yoghurt? No
They chose not to use yoghurt any more? Yes
Are they going to use yoghurt in the future? No

Are they preparing a sort of meal? no
Are they producing something? Not exactly, no
which does not contain yoghurt these days? No
Do we have to find out more about 'them'? Yes
More than 2, 5, 10, 20, ... 1000? 2 at the moment but there will be more in the future
Is their profession/sex important? Yes to profession but not so much as to sex. In this case it is men but it could be women
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Is this related to cosmetics?
At the moment 'they' are one man and one teenager?
Do they prepare a substance?
Were the properties of yoghurt important? or rather the word yoghurt?
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Are you saying the word 'yogurt' (or 'yoghurt') as in a food?
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Tobasi
Is this related to cosmetics? No
At the moment 'they' are one man and one teenager? No they are actually two men but they belong to a group that includes teenagers (and I suppose you could also say that the group includes children)
Do they prepare a substance? Noish
Were the properties of yoghurt important? In some ways - Yes
or rather the word yoghurt? No

Theredlady
Are you saying the word 'yogurt' (or 'yoghurt') as in a food? Yes
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What is relevant about the yoghurt:
color? taste? consistency? ingredients? packing?
price? weight?
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What is relevant about the yoghurt:
color? Yes
taste? Noish
consistency? No
ingredients? Yesish
packing? Yesish
price? No
weight? No
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Was the yoghurt before used in an uncommon way?
To cover something? like paint?
Was the color of the yoghurt: white? yellow? pink? orange? darker?
Is it relevant that yoghurt contains: milk? water? minerals? vitamines? sugar? fruit? anything else?
Does the yoghurt can matter? or what is written on the packing?
Is the producer of the yoghurt relevant?
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Was the yoghurt before used in an uncommon way? Yope
To cover something? No
like paint? No
Was the color of the yoghurt: white? yellow? pink? orange? darker? There are different colours / colors (USA English :-)) including pink and purple and certainly other colours

Is it relevant that yoghurt contains: milk? water? minerals? vitamines? sugar? fruit? anything else? The only relevance is that they are normal yoghurts but different colors / colours (UK English :-))representing different flavours and presumably it is the fruit and any food additives that influence that.

Does the yoghurt can matter? Yes, in that it would show what flavour yoghurt and probably make the colour/color visible

or what is written on the packing? Yes in that it would give evidence of what flavour yoghurt.
Is the producer of the yoghurt relevant? Yope - (could be misleading)

Good questions!
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Ok, is it true that the colour (british english is OK for me) of the yoghurt was used to code a sort of information?
Different sorts of yoghurt (having different colours) were used?
The yoghurts were used because more convenient objects were not available?
Now, other objects are used replacing the yoghurts?
The yoghurts are used: opened? closed? both?
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Ok, is it true that the colour (british english is OK for me) of the yoghurt was used to code a sort of information? Bingo, Oui - Tres bien :-)

Different sorts of yoghurt (having different colours) were used? Yes

The yoghurts were used because more convenient objects were not available? No

Now, other objects are used replacing the yoghurts? Sort of but not as straight substitutes - it's more that the method has changed

The yoghurts are used: opened? closed? both? Both
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Alors...
Is the title of the puzzle relevant?
Is this a true story?
Is the era relevant? if yes: before 1900, 1910.. 2000, 2010?
The method they use has changed, can this be considered as progress?
The yoghurts were used to communicate? To store information?
Did they use a colour code?
Is the fact that two men were doing this relevant?
Did they do this professionally?
Is the number of yoghurts used relevant? If yes [insert list]?
Was the yoghurt they used eaten at all?
Is the act of opening the yoghurts relevant?
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Alors...
Is the title of the puzzle relevant? No
Is this a true story? Yes
Is the era relevant? Yes
if yes: before 1900, 1910.. 2000, 2010? 1978
The method they use has changed, can this be considered as progress? Yesish
The yoghurts were used to communicate? Yes
To store information? No
Did they use a colour code? Supposedly - Yes
Is the fact that two men were doing this relevant? Let's clarify - the "two men" are using present day methods. In 1978, yoghurts were used
Did they do this professionally? Yope - Yesish
Is the number of yoghurts used relevant? No
If yes [Blueberry was used and others but the number is not relevant]?
Was the yoghurt they used eaten at all? Yes - all of it
Is the act of opening the yoghurts relevant? No
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The two man are these days communicating with a particular method? Between each other?
In 1978 another particular communication method was used? By other people? Is the number of these people relevant? Male/female relevant?
Did the yoghurts move? or did the people move for the communication to happen?
Are the places (in 1978 and these days) were this happened relevant?
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Anything to do with test tube babies?Er..I'd rather not reveal how my mind linked that with yogurt...
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Tobasi

The two man are these days communicating with a particular method? Probably
Between each other? No
In 1978 another particular communication method was used? Allegedly, Yes
By other people? Yes
Is the number of these people relevant? Yesish - it was a small group of say less than 10

Male/female relevant? In this puzzle, all of the cases in this true story are men but women may have done something similar but not to my knowledge

Did the yoghurts move? Yes but not on their own
or did the people move for the communication to happen? People moved the yogurts

Are the places (in 1978 and these days) were this happened relevant? Yes

Lemon Martini2
Anything to do with test tube babies? No but I'm fascinated
Er..I'd rather not reveal how my mind linked that with yogurt... oh okay
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Oh I think I might know the context, but not the details. It's a very high-level game, isn't it? And this is during the Cold War?
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Oh I think I might know the context, but not the details. It's a very high-level game, isn't it? And this is during the Cold War? Correct
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Woodworm understands the reference to Yog(h)urt but can he solve the rest of it?
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I hope Woodworm will or anyone else who knows the story. I'm stuck and instead of using google I'll wait for help. Nice story so far.
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Well, I can tell you what little I know, and take it from there :-)

The 1978 yoghurt reference is Karpov v Korchnoi, the FIDE Chess Championships 1978. Karpov's minders brought him a blueberry yoghurt, and Korchnoi's team believed it was some sort of espionage or signal. (I think I have it the right way round: Korchnoi was the one who defected and became a Swiss national, I think.)

So this is about a more modern case of signalling? Is there another context to guess besides the 1978 championships? Is this still chess? Or something else?
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Tobasi
I hope Woodworm will or anyone else who knows the story. I'm stuck and instead of using google I'll wait for help. Nice story so far. It seems that help is on its way :-)

Woodworm
Well, I can tell you what little I know, and take it from there :-)

The 1978 yoghurt reference is Karpov v Korchnoi, the FIDE Chess Championships 1978. Karpov's minders brought him a blueberry yoghurt, and Korchnoi's team believed it was some sort of espionage or signal. (I think I have it the right way round: Korchnoi was the one who defected and became a Swiss national, I think.)

Yes that's right and then there was speculation that other coloured / flavoured yogurts represented different messages

So this is about a more modern case of signalling? Yes
Is there another context to guess besides the 1978 championships? Only the present day situation in Chess
Is this still chess? Yes
Or something else? No
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Anyone want to add anything - or is it time to spoyle?
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Please don't spoile yet... I'm back in the game.
Is these days refering to a particular year? 1979, 1980... 2006?
'They' to particular chess players? professional ones?
Are they using other food/drink?
Are chess computer relevant?
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Hi Tobasi

Please don't spoile yet... I'm back in the game. sehr gut
Is these days refering to a particular year? 1979, 1980... 2006?
I meant modern times but there has been something very recently (2006) which I have in mind

'They' to particular chess players? Yes
professional ones? semi-profesional
Are they using other food/drink? No
Are chess computer relevant? Yes it seems so
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So a chess player obtained information by a third party during a game.
Was this communication visual? gesture? clothing? objects?
acoustical? voice? noise pruduced by a person?
The person who provided the information was part of the players team? was in the audience of the match? Did this person leave the room during the match?
Were there breaks in the match? Did the comunication happen while the clock was ticking?
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Tobasi

Sorry for the delay - you have done enough to solve this so I will post the solution soon

So a chess player obtained information by a third party during a game. Possibly - Yes
Was this communication visual? gesture? clothing? objects? None of these
acoustical? Yes
voice? Yes
noise pruduced by a person?
The person who provided the information was part of the players team? We don't actually know
was in the audience of the match? As above
Did this person leave the room during the match? Well, the cheat(s) did
Were there breaks in the match? Yes
Did the comunication happen while the clock was ticking? Yes
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**************** SPOILER *******************


The 1978 Chess World Championship match between the two Russians, (state groomed champion) Anatoly Karpov and (bitter dissident) Victor Korchnoi, was full of intrigue. At one point Korchnoi and his backup team accused the opponents of cheating. Korchnoi asserted that Karpov's team were sending coded messages indicating the best move for him to make by the use of different coloured/flavoured yogurts that they delivered to Karpov whilst he was playing at the board.


The Cold War In Chess makes a fascinating read!

More recently at The World Open at Philadelphia this year they used rather more technologically advanced ways to cheat!

Modern Cheating Methods

And this is what the New York Times had to say
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Nice puzzle Beroean, thank you. The second part reminds me of a cheat a german comedian did to kid chess players:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5io8D99Rk8
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Tobasi - Thanks for your input into the puzzle :-). I have watched the comedian sketch a couple of times. Is the girl womens master Elizabeth Pahtz (not sure of the spelling)?

Hape Kerkeling seems to be seems to be quite popular. It's a pity that my german is so poor - I'd like to understand more about how he is winding people up.
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I know the girl only from the video. She is introduced as the (probalbly german) womens master. I don't understand her last name but her first name surely is Elisabeth. She may have won other titles since then.
In Germany Hape Kerkeling is popular for fooling people like this playing each time a different weird character.

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