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At a major golf tournament, a player's ball is in the rough. He has a clear view of the pin on the green, but he does not play his shot towards the green. He opts to chip out on to the fairway instead. Why?
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Is chipping onto the fairway advantageous to him?
Would he rather play a shot towards the pin?
Is he prevented in some way from playing toward the pin?
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Martin,

Is chipping onto the fairway advantageous to him?
NO

Would he rather play a shot towards the pin?
HE CHOSE NOT TO.

Is he prevented in some way from playing toward the pin?
NO

PAUL
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Is he doing this deliberately to the detriment of his own play?
Is he aiming to get as good a score as possible?
Is he doing this for the benefit or detriment of a relevant 2nd party?
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Is he doing this deliberately to the detriment of his own play?
NO

Is he aiming to get as good a score as possible?
YES - BUT

Is he doing this for the benefit or detriment of a relevant 2nd party?
NO
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Good Morning,

Is the pin on the green of the hole that he is currently playing?
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we usually use bold text for answers, for ease of reading, Administrator...
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Hey, I use colours!
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Hadn't figured out how to do colours, until you mentioned it just now. Either way, I'm sure you'll agree with me these methods help us keep things clear. Anyway...
Would the shot be considered legal within the usual rules of the game?
Is this an adult game of golf, like Tiger Woods plays? Or a crazy-golf type game, involving ramps & tunnels, like I play :-) ?
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Martin,

Is the pin on the green of the hole that he is currently playing?
YES
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PLEB,

I USE CAPS - QUICKER

Would the shot be considered legal within the usual rules of the game?
Is this an adult game of golf, like Tiger Woods plays?
YES

Or a crazy-golf type game, involving ramps & tunnels, like I play
NO
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Is there any intervening hazard (water, trees, bunkers)?
He has a clear view of the green; does he have a clear shot?
Is he carrying the proper club that he would need to attack the green?
Is he in a situation where he only needs to achieve a certain score, so he decides to play it safe (i.e. tied with another player at end of regulation, and his opponent already took several shots or a penalty on the hole?)
Other conditions relevant (wind, green speed, etc.)?
Is he concerned with something other than this hole's score? Statistics, records, etc. (say, making greens in regulation and its a par 5)?
Speaking of which, is par relevant at all? 3? 4? 5?
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Paul

Is his distance from the pin relevant?

If so is he too far away to expect to reach it?

Is he too close to the pin, so that his shot would over-run and leave him a difficult putt?

Is something about the lie of the ball relevant?
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Stucco,

Is there any intervening hazard (water, trees, bunkers)?
NO

He has a clear view of the green; does he have a clear shot?
YES

Is he carrying the proper club that he would need to attack the green?
YES

Is he in a situation where he only needs to achieve a certain score, so he decides to play it safe (i.e. tied with another player at end of regulation, and his opponent already took several shots or a penalty on the hole?)
NO

Other conditions relevant (wind, green speed, etc.)?
NO

Is he concerned with something other than this hole's score?
LOOSELY - YES

Statistics, records, etc. (say, making greens in regulation and its a par 5)?
NO

Speaking of which, is par relevant at all? 3? 4? 5?
IRRELEVANT
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MARTIN

Is his distance from the pin relevant?
NO

If so is he too far away to expect to reach it?
NO

Is he too close to the pin, so that his shot would over-run and leave him a difficult putt?
NO

Is something about the lie of the ball relevant?
NO
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Is he playing for high score, rather than low? Is he playing with an aim of getting a particular score, and he's currently a bit low compared to where he needs (wants) to be?
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Rabrab,

Is he playing for high score, rather than low? Is he playing with an aim of getting a particular score, and he's currently a bit low compared to where he needs (wants) to be?
NO, NO
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Is he trying to draw attention away from the pin or the green?
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Mycroft

Is he trying to draw attention away from the pin or the green?

NO
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Are any other players relevant?
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proudly displaying my ignorance of golf...
Is it to his advantage, gamewise, to allow someone else to finish the hole first?
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Is it relevant which hole it is?
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Is he playing on his own i.e. not a fousome etc.?
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Hi,

Are any other players relevant?
NO

Is it to his advantage, gamewise, to allow someone else to finish the hole first?
NO


Is it relevant which hole it is?
NO

Is he playing on his own i.e. not a fousome etc.?
IRRELEVANT
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Does he expect to finish this hole in fewer shots by chipping onto the fairway than he would by attempting to play onto the green? More? The same number?
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Bentarm,

Does he expect to finish this hole in fewer shots by chipping onto the fairway than he would by attempting to play onto the green? More? The same number?
NO. HE KNOWS IT COULD COST HIM A SHOT.
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Would another player in the same position have played the same shot?

Is there something physical that prevents him playing toward the pin?
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Martin,

Would another player in the same position have played the same shot?
PROBABLY NOT

Is there something physical that prevents him playing toward the pin?
NO
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Does he have a phobia / obsessional neurosis or some condition that dictates his choice of shot?

Is his peresonality or culture relevant?
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To an observer would his actions have appeared rational?

If he explained his reason to his caddy would his caddy agree with his choice of shot?
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Beoean and Martin,

Does he have a phobia / obsessional neurosis or some condition that dictates his choice of shot?
NO

Is his personality or culture relevant?
A LITTLE

To an observer would his actions have appeared rational?
YES - IF THEY KNEW THE CIRCUMSTANCES

If he explained his reason to his caddy would his caddy agree with his choice of shot?
POSSIBLY YES BUT PROBABLY NOT

GOOD QUESTIONS
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Are any superstitions relevant?

If he played towards the pin would something bad happen to him?

To somone else?
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Martin,

Are any superstitions relevant?

If he played towards the pin would something bad happen to him?

To somone else?

NO TO ALL THOSE
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Did the golfer know he would not attack the pin before he addressed the ball?

if so was it as he approached the ball?
or
when he saw where the ball had come to rest?
or
Straight after he had made his last shot?
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Martin,

Did the golfer know he would not attack the pin before he addressed the ball?
YES

if so was it as he approached the ball?

YES

or
when he saw where the ball had come to rest?
AND YES

or

Straight after he had made his last shot?
AND PROBABLY YES
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Did he intend to make the ball rebound off something?
Was there any cheating involved?
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If the ball had landed on the fairway, but in the same position relative to the pin would he have still taken the extra chip shot?
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Bero and Martin,

Did he intend to make the ball rebound off something?
NO

Was there any cheating involved?
NO - EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE

If the ball had landed on the fairway, but in the same position relative to the pin would he have still taken the extra chip shot?
NO
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Was the chip shot some form of penalty stroke?

Had he gone out of bounds?
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Was he a Buddhist?
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Bero and Martin,

Was the chip shot some form of penalty stroke?

Had he gone out of bounds?

Was he a Buddhist?

NO TO ALL THOSE
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Did he play the shot in the interests of good sportsmanship?
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Martin,

Did he play the shot in the interests of good sportsmanship?
YES - VERY GOOD
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Was he playing a bad player, and wanted to give him a chance?
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Had he commited a foul that had gone un-noticed by the officials?
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Crazy and Martin,

Was he playing a bad player, and wanted to give him a chance?

NO

Had he commited a foul that had gone un-noticed by the officials?

NO
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If he plays towards the pin would he break any of the rules of golf?

If he plays towards the pin would it be considered to be unsporting?

If he had played towards the pin would any observers have thought him to be unsporting?
or
Was it he himself making a moral descision?
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Was he playing pairs?
Was he playing this shot with his partner in mind?

Would a direct shot to the green have encumbered his opponent in any way?
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Martin,

If he plays towards the pin would he break any of the rules of golf?
NO

If he plays towards the pin would it be considered to be unsporting?
POSSIBLY

If he had played towards the pin would any observers have thought him to be unsporting?
POSSIBLY

or
Was it he himself making a moral decision?
YES
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BERO,

Was he playing pairs?
YES BUT IRRELEVANT

Was he playing this shot with his partner in mind?
NO

Would a direct shot to the green have encumbered his opponent in any way?
NO
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Did he feel as if he had recieved an unfair advantage?

If so,was this because of,

His position?
His lie?
His opponents position?
His partners position?
An external factor?
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Martin,

Did he feel as if he had recieved an unfair advantage?
YES

If so,was this because of,

His position?
YES - ISH

His lie?
His opponents position?
His partners position?
NO TO THOSE

An external factor?
YES
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Had his ball moved again after initially coming to rest?

Did his ball strike something before coming to rest?

Was his ball deflected into the rough?
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Had his ball knocked into his opponents ball?

Did his ball hit a spectator or anyone else?
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Hi,

Had his ball moved again after initially coming to rest?

Did his ball strike something before coming to rest?

Was his ball deflected into the rough?

Had his ball knocked into his opponents ball?

Did his ball hit a spectator or anyone else?

NO TO ALL THOSE
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Is the time of year relevant?

weather?

Course conditions?
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Did his lie result from any unusual circumstances?
Did it collide with anything (e.g. a bird) on the previous shot?
Did he gain his unfair advantage unintentionally?
Did the advantage have anything to do with his previous shot?
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Martin and Stucco,

Is the time of year relevant?
NO

weather?
YES

Course conditions?
YES

Did his lie result from any unusual circumstances?
NO - PLEASE REPHRASE

Did it collide with anything (e.g. a bird) on the previous shot?
NO

Did he gain his unfair advantage unintentionally?
YES

Did the advantage have anything to do with his previous shot?
NO
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Is the course unusually;

Wet?
Dry?

Is the relevant weather condition;

Wind?
Rain?
Sunshine?
Snow?
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Martin

Is the course unusually;

Wet?
MAYBE

Dry?
NO

Is the relevant weather condition;

Wind?
Rain?
Sunshine?
Snow?
NO

BE CAREFUL ABOUT YOUR ASSUMPTIONS HERE
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If he were playing a different opponent would he still have played the chip shot?
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Martin,

If he were playing a different opponent would he still have played the chip shot?
YES
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Are weather conditions a contributing factor to his percieved unfair advantage?
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Has something happened to his opponents last shot which would mean for our player to play towards the hole would be bad form?
Or has something happened to his opponent himself?
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To be sure:
Are they playing at a typical, outdoor golf course?
Is it a typical, real game of golf (as opposed to a video game, etc.)?
Are the weather/conditions the same for the two players?
Did the weather/conditions alter the flight of his or his opponents' last shot? The ground on which the shot(s) landed? Did it affect the golfers' sight?
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Martin,,

Are weather conditions a contributing factor to his percieved unfair advantage?

YES - LOOSELY
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PLEB,

Has something happened to his opponents last shot which would mean for our player to play towards the hole would be bad form?
Or has something happened to his opponent himself?
NO TO THOSE
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STUCCO,

Are they playing at a typical, outdoor golf course?

YES

Is it a typical, real game of golf (as opposed to a video game, etc.)?

YES

Are the weather/conditions the same for the two players?

YES

Did the weather/conditions alter the flight of his or his opponents' last shot? The ground on which the shot(s) landed?
NO, NO

Did it affect the golfers' sight?
PLEASE REPHRASE
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Are both golfers able to see?
Is either's ability hindered by the weather/external factors?
Are both golfers healthy, unimpaired humans?
Are they both male?
Does either have a physical trait that needs to be discovered? Something sensory (blindness/color-blindness, deafness, obesity, extremely short or tall, etc.)?
Are both right-handed?
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Stucco,

Are both golfers able to see?
YES

Is either's ability hindered by the weather/external factors?
NO

Are both golfers healthy, unimpaired humans?
YES

Are they both male?
YES - OR IRRELEVANT

Does either have a physical trait that needs to be discovered? Something sensory (blindness/color-blindness, deafness, obesity, extremely short or tall, etc.)?
NO

Are both right-handed?
IREELEVANT
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Is fog involved?
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Martin,

Is fog involved?
NO
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Was our man an average golf player? Unusually good? Or bad? Was his opponent?
If it had been the opponent's shot next, before our man played the unusual shot, would he have been able to play a shot? Would he have been able to play a standard, reasonable shot?
If it had been the opponent's shot, and he'd taken a reasonable shot, would our man have gone on to play his strange shot anyway?
(by reasonable shot I mean a shot someone adept at playing golf and attempting to win would play)
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Pleb,

Was our man an average golf player? Unusually good? Or bad? Was his opponent?
GOOD - BUT IRRELEVANT

If it had been the opponent's shot next, before our man played the unusual shot, would he have been able to play a shot? Would he have been able to play a standard, reasonable shot?
YES

If it had been the opponent's shot, and he'd taken a reasonable shot, would our man have gone on to play his strange shot anyway?
YES
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At the time of the unusual shot, were the two men's scores for the hole (? or the round?)...
Equal?
Different by 1?
2?
More?
Is this game taking place during the day?
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Did his opponent get a penalty? Did the odd player think this was unjustified?
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Pleb and 0815,

At the time of the unusual shot, were the two men's scores for the hole (? or the round?)...
Equal?
Different by 1?
2?
More?
IRRELEVANT

Is this game taking place during the day?
YES

Did his opponent get a penalty? Did the odd player think this was unjustified?
NO
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The loosley contributing weather was it:

windy? sunny? raining? thunderstorm? cloudy? foggy? misty? snowing? icy? very low temperatures? very high temperatures? hailstone? sleet?

Did his ball land in a hazard (bunker,water, etc.)?
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Martin,

The loosley contributing weather was it:

windy? sunny? raining? thunderstorm? cloudy? foggy? misty? snowing? icy? very low temperatures? very high temperatures? hailstone? sleet?
THUNDERSTORM

Did his ball land in a hazard (bunker,water, etc.)?
NO - HE WAS IN THE ROUGH
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Is he afraid of being struck by lightning? Is his choice of club affected by some lightning-related consideration? Has he been struck by lightning earlier in the game? Has his opponent? Is it relevant that golf clubs conduct lightning? Are trees relevant in any way?
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Woodworm,

Is he afraid of being struck by lightning?
NOT NOW

Is his choice of club affected by some lightning-related consideration? Has he been struck by lightning earlier in the game? Has his opponent? Is it relevant that golf clubs conduct lightning?
NO TO THOSE

Are trees relevant in any way?
YES
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he did not want his opponent to have to stand under a tree?
or he didn't want to stand under a tree?
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Senorina,

he did not want his opponent to have to stand under a tree?
or he didn't want to stand under a tree?

NO
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Is there a thunderstorm? Has there been a thunderstorm? Is a thunderstorm approaching?

Position of his opponent relevant?

Is the relevant fact about the trees that they are likely to be hit by lightning?

Light conditions relevant?
Thunder relevant?
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Had the opponent had to play a less-than efficient shot previously? In order to avoid being under trees during an approaching thunderstorm?
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815 and Pleb,

Is there a thunderstorm?
NO

Has there been a thunderstorm?
YES

Is a thunderstorm approaching?
NO

Position of his opponent relevant?
NO

Is the relevant fact about the trees that they are likely to be hit by lightning?
NO - NOT EXACTLY

Light conditions relevant?
Thunder relevant?
NO

Had the opponent had to play a less-than efficient shot previously? In order to avoid being under trees during an approaching thunderstorm?
NO
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Was the ground particularly wet (in parts of the course) after the storm? Were there puddles? Were there any fallen branches? Or fallen leaves?
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Had a tree been hit by lightning previously?
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Had his opponents last shot been taken before the thunderstorm?

Had his opponents shot been taken from a similar position to where his ball now lay?
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Pleb and Martin,

Was the ground particularly wet (in parts of the course) after the storm? Were there puddles? Were there any fallen branches? Or fallen leaves?
IRRELEVANT

Had a tree been hit by lightning previously?
YES

Had his opponents last shot been taken before the thunderstorm?
YES

Had his opponents shot been taken from a similar position to where his ball now lay?
YES
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Is the green more accressible from this position than it was before the storm?

Has a tree been felled or seriously cut back by lightening?

Has lightning caused the the green to be more accessible to him than it was for his opponent?

And he feels that as this was an act of god it would be more sporting to play a shot similar to his opponent?
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Had his opponent's previous shot been deflected by a falling (? or fallen?) tree?
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Did his opponent's ball land under a tree? Was this tree struck by lightning? So that the opponent had a hard time getting at the ball under the remains of the tree?
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Martin,

* * * * SPOILER * * *

Is the green more accressible from this position than it was before the storm?
Has a tree been felled or seriously cut back by lightning?
Has lightning caused the the green to be more accessible to him than it was for his opponent?
And he feels that as this was an act of god it would be more sporting to play a shot similar to his opponent?

Close enough. Well done.

He had gone out in the final group the day before and his ball had lodged in the rough behind a large tree. He was about to play out onto the fairway when the hooter sounded to end play because of a thunderstorm which was just starting. He marked his ball position. The next day he returned to find that the tree had been struck by lightning and he now had a clear view of the green. Since all the other players had played the course with that tree in place he decided to play the shot he had previously chosen in the interests of good sportsmanship.
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Nice puzzle, Admin. I admit I was chasing my own tail on this one...

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