| Author | Message | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 124 Registered: 8-2006 |
The stones saved his life | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 69 Registered: 9-2006 |
He = Human? Male? Adult? The stones = metaphorical? Or real rocks? Did he use the stones to do something? How would he die if his life wasn't saved? By accident? Murder? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 126 Registered: 8-2006 |
Welcome Judgedeadd! He = Human? yes Male? yes Adult? no The stones = metaphorical? yes Or real rocks? no Did he use the stones to do something? no How would he die if his life wasn't saved? By accident? Murder? This is a matter of opinion. I would rather say accident. | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 70 Registered: 9-2006 |
Would he be accdentally killed by someone? Is he a teenager? A baby? A small child (about 9 years)? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 127 Registered: 8-2006 |
Would he be accdentally killed by someone? By someone is correct. Accidentally or not is hard to say but not really relevant. Is he a teenager? this A baby? A small child (about 9 years)? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 71 Registered: 9-2006 |
What are the stones? Living beings? Inanimate objects? Abstract concepts? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 129 Registered: 8-2006 |
What are the stones? Living beings? Inanimate objects? Abstract concepts? Living beings | ||
| Wunderland (Wunderland)
New member Username: Wunderland Post Number: 1323 Registered: 3-2005 |
The Rolling Stones? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 130 Registered: 8-2006 |
The Rolling Stones? yes | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3102 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was he in a coma and they played the Stones' music which brought him round eventually? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 131 Registered: 8-2006 |
Was he in a coma and they played the Stones' music which brought him round eventually? no | ||
| Wunderland (Wunderland)
New member Username: Wunderland Post Number: 1325 Registered: 3-2005 |
Did one or more members of the band personally save his life? Did he listen to their music and consequently do something differently, resulting in his not being killed? Did his would-be killer listen to the music and consequently not kill him? Did the band do something indirectly to save his life, other than playing music? | ||
| Wunderland (Wunderland)
New member Username: Wunderland Post Number: 1326 Registered: 3-2005 |
Would he have been killed through carelessness? on his own part? or someone else's? Is a particular Stones song relevant? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 132 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did one or more members of the band personally save his life? no Did he listen to their music and consequently do something differently, resulting in his not being killed? no, but it is true that he listened to their music Did his would-be killer listen to the music and consequently not kill him? no Did the band do something indirectly to save his life, other than playing music? no | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 74 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did he do something dangerous and use Stones music as some sort of an indicator? Is the teenager handicapped in any way? Blind? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 538 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is a particular song relevant? The lyrics of a particular song relevant? The would-be killer: someone related to him by blood? a friend? an enemy? a teacher? the police? some other legal organisation? illegal organisation? himself? Did listening to the music cause him to do something? not do someting? realise something? warn him against something? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 133 Registered: 8-2006 |
Judgedeadd: Did he do something dangerous and use Stones music as some sort of an indicator? no Is the teenager handicapped in any way? no Blind? so no Jumpingjack: Is a particular song relevant? no The lyrics of a particular song relevant? no By the way, is your username taken from a particular song? The would-be killer: someone related to him by blood? no a friend? no an enemy? noish a teacher? no the police? noish some other legal organisation? yes, the would-be killer is from an organisation related to law illegal organisation? no, but this depends on your definition of illegal himself? no Did listening to the music cause him to do something? yes not do someting? no realise something? no warn him against something? no | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 77 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was the killer a lawyer? A prison warden? Was he (let's call him Tommy) a criminal? Is it relevant where it happened? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 122 Registered: 8-2005 |
Would another band work or does it have to be the rolling stones? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 135 Registered: 8-2006 |
Judgedeadd: Was the killer a lawyer? A prison warden? No to both. Prison warden and police are on the right track. Was he (let's call him Tommy OK) a criminal? Depends on your definition of criminal. I would say noish. Is it relevant where it happened? yes, quite Martinfg: Would another band work yes or does it have to be the rolling stones? no | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 87 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did Tommy do something unethical, but not illegal? Was the killer a detective? A bodyguard? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 137 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did Tommy do something unethical, but not illegal? no but explore Was the killer a detective? A bodyguard? no to both | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 88 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did Tommy did something against the rules of some club, gang, etc. Did Tommy offend someone? As for the killer, was he a vigilante? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 89 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was the killer a human? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 139 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did Tommy did something against the rules of some club, gang, etc. no Did Tommy offend someone? no Tommy did something illegal. As for the killer, was he a vigilante? No, in my point of view the would-be killer did not take enforcement of law or moral code into his own hands. Was the killer a human? the would-be killer was human Questions about ethics are often subjective and thus hard to answer. I would suggest to focus on some more 'standard opening questions' now. Doing this you will soon meet with the 'ethical context' of the puzzle. | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 91 Registered: 9-2006 |
Relevant where it happened? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 140 Registered: 8-2006 |
Relevant where it happened? Yes, very much so (see above). | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 543 Registered: 3-2006 |
No, it's taken from my name, an exercise and a dancing toy.  Which song are you referring to? Was the organisation the secret service? What was the time interval between his listening to the Stones and doing something-- immediately? minutes? hours? days? weeks? months? years? Did he do something to atone for the wrong thing that he had done? Did he do something that helped him escape from the would-be killer? Did he have interaction with anyone else that is relevant? | ||
| 0815 (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 527 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he listen to a live performance? CD? radio? record? tape? video? DVD? mp3? Relevant? Did he himself turn on the player? Did he hear that someone else was playing the Stones? Volume of the sound relevant? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 144 Registered: 8-2006 |
Jumpingjack: No, it's taken from my name, an exercise and a dancing toy. :-) Which song are you referring to? There is a Stones song called Jumpin' Jack Flash (not relevant to the puzzle) Was the organisation the secret service? no What was the time interval between his listening to the Stones and doing something-- immediately? minutes? hours? days? weeks? months? years? Not relevant. Did he do something to atone for the wrong thing that he had done? No (not in his own will) Did he do something that helped him escape from the would-be killer? Noish Did he have interaction with anyone else that is relevant? There is a third person of minor relevance. 0815: Did he listen to a live performance? No CD? No radio? Supposedly record? Yes tape? Supposedly video? Unlikely DVD? No mp3? No Relevant? Yes Did he himself turn on the player? Did he hear that someone else was playing the Stones? Not relevant. Volume of the sound relevant? No | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 133 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did the killer hear the Stones? If yes, then did it warn him about Tommy's presence? Did the killer think that Tommy was listening to a radio or tape while he was listening to a record? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3103 Registered: 12-2000 |
Decade relevant? 1960s? 1970s? When the Stones were at their height? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 150 Registered: 8-2006 |
Judgedeadd: Did the killer hear the Stones? The would-be killer probably did not hear (or listen to) the Stones. If yes, then did it warn him about Tommy's presence? no Did the killer think that Tommy was listening to a radio or tape while he was listening to a record? no Lynne: Decade relevant? Yes, very much so. 1960s? no 1970s? yes When the Stones were at their height? Yes but this is of minor relevance. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3104 Registered: 12-2000 |
IRA involved? Baader Meinhof? Red Brigade? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 153 Registered: 8-2006 |
IRA involved? Baader Meinhof? Red Brigade? No, but you are thinking roughly in the right direction. | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 689 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did his listening to the Stones mean he wasn't somewhere else where the terrorists were? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 155 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did his listening to the Stones mean he wasn't somewhere else where the terrorists were? I don't quite understand your question. Anyway, terrorists were not envolved. | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 961 Registered: 10-2001 |
The thing that Tommy did: Was it whilst he was listening to the music? After listening to the music? Was it outside? Indoors? Geographical location relevant? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 698 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was Tommy listening to the Stones at the time of the puzzle? And was some attack taking place somewhere? Somewhere where he may have (or should have?) been, except he was listening to the Stones instead? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 159 Registered: 8-2006 |
Beroean: The thing that Tommy did: Was it whilst he was listening to the music? no After listening to the music? yes Was it outside? yes Indoors? no Geographical location relevant? yes Plebeian: Was Tommy listening to the Stones at the time of the puzzle? The events that I would like you to find out happened after he listened to the Stones. And was some attack taking place somewhere? yes Somewhere where he may have (or should have?) been, except he was listening to the Stones instead? no | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 968 Registered: 10-2001 |
So as a result of listening to the music he then did something outside which had a preserving effect on his life? Would you or likely have done the same thing? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 161 Registered: 8-2006 |
So as a result of listening to the music he then did something outside which had a preserving effect on his life? yesish Would you or likely have done the same thing? Hard to put myself in his place, the times are changing. I think I would have anticipated the danger. And PLEASE ask more about the location it is essential for the puzzle. | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 970 Registered: 10-2001 |
You are fond of your locations :-) Americas? Asia? Europe? Australasia? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 162 Registered: 8-2006 |
You are fond of your locations :-) This is not MY location. But after answering the question whether the place was relevant for the third time I was hoping for a follow up... :-) Americas? Asia? Europe? this Australasia? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 972 Registered: 10-2001 |
France? Germany? etc? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 164 Registered: 8-2006 |
France? Germany? this etc? Thank you and good night. | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 718 Registered: 7-2006 |
Munich? During the Olympics? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 165 Registered: 8-2006 |
Munich? During the Olympics? No, but it happened in a city. | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 976 Registered: 10-2001 |
Frankfurt? Nuremburg? Berlin? 2000's? 1990's? 1980's? 1970's? 1960's? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 168 Registered: 8-2006 |
Berlin in the 1970's. | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 985 Registered: 10-2001 |
1970 1971 etc? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 169 Registered: 8-2006 |
The exact year is irrelevant, I think it was in the early 70's. | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 986 Registered: 10-2001 |
East or West Berlin relevant? Berlin wall relevant? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 170 Registered: 8-2006 |
East or West Berlin relevant? East Berlin wall relevant? yes | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 987 Registered: 10-2001 |
Did he try and scale the wall to get into West Berlin? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 171 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did he try and scale the wall to get into West Berlin? no | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 388 Registered: 8-2006 |
Was he fighting in the war? was he a soldier on break? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 173 Registered: 8-2006 |
Was he fighting in the war? No (which war?) was he a soldier on break? No | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 989 Registered: 10-2001 |
Did he go near the wall? Climb it? Damage it? Walk on it? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 174 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did he go near the wall? Yes, it happened about 20 m from the wall. Climb it? Damage it? Walk on it? No to these. | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 175 Registered: 8-2006 |
Sorry, I have overlooked questions from Wunderland, September 29: Would he have been killed through carelessness? yes on his own part? yes or someone else's? yesish too Is a particular Stones song relevant? no | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 747 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was he walking near the wall, absentmindedly?Risking being killed by the guards? And did he start hearing the Stones somewhere which attracted him away from danger? Or listening to the Stones, but when the music stopped he could hear the guards? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 994 Registered: 10-2001 |
Was he in East Berlin? I can't remember - is this a true story? Were his enemies the police? Apart from the activity of our hero, was this an ordinary day or did something unusual / special happen? Do we need to find out more about: the background / personality our man? about what is happening generally in the location in Berlin? the specific location in Berlin? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 176 Registered: 8-2006 |
Plebeian: Was he walking near the wall, yes absentmindedly?yesish Risking being killed by the guards? yes And did he start hearing the Stones somewhere which attracted him away from danger? no Or listening to the Stones, but when the music stopped he could hear the guards? no It is a fact that he listened to the Stones but it is not this circumstance that saved his life. Beroean: Was he in East Berlin? yes I can't remember - is this a true story? No, but I did not make it up myself, so explore. Were his enemies the police? As Pleian found out, his 'enemies' were the guards (or Border Patrol). In the German Democratic Republic they were part of the army. Apart from the activity of our hero, was this an ordinary day or did something unusual / special happen? Actually, there was something special happening at the wall this day. But you needn't find out this to solve the puzzle. Do we need to find out more about: the background / personality our man? yes about what is happening generally in the location in Berlin? noish I suggest to find out more about the relation beween: the boy - the Rolling Stones - the German Democratic Republic the specific location in Berlin? No, it is sufficient to know that it happened near the Wall. | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 188 Registered: 9-2006 |
Where were the Stones played? From GDR, or from Federal Republic of Germany? Did it happen during the Berlin Wall destruction? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 181 Registered: 8-2006 |
Where were the Stones played? From GDR, or from Federal Republic of Germany? Yes, in the GDR but not from the GDR authorities. Possibly also by radio from FRG but not relevant. Did it happen during the Berlin Wall destruction? No, before in the 70s | ||
| 0815 (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 576 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did he try to escape the GDR? Were the guards distracted by the Stones? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 771 Registered: 7-2006 |
Were the East German authorities generally against the music of the Stones? Was our man a very keen fan of the Stones? Would he be likely to go somewhere specifically to listen to the Stones? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 183 Registered: 8-2006 |
0815: Did he try to escape the GDR? no Were the guards distracted by the Stones? no Plebeian: Were the East German authorities generally against the music of the Stones? yes and relevant Was our man a very keen fan of the Stones? yes and relevant Would he be likely to go somewhere specifically to listen to the Stones? No, not he would not go somewhere. But he did something else to be able to listen to the Stones. | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 223 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did the climb the Wall to listen to Stones? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 191 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did the climb the Wall to listen to Stones? No, it has been established that he did not climb the Wall. In fact he did not go nearer than about 20 m. | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 788 Registered: 7-2006 |
If he had gone closer, is that what would have led to his death? Was he intending to go towards the wall? Did some sound lead him away from the wall? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 201 Registered: 8-2006 |
If he had gone closer, is that what would have led to his death? Possibly, difficult to say what would have happened. Was he intending to go towards the wall? no Did some sound lead him away from the wall? no If anyone needs a recap please say so. | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1010 Registered: 10-2001 |
A recap would be good :-) | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 204 Registered: 8-2006 |
Recap: This story did not really happen but it takes place in East Berlin in the 1970s. Tommy (say 15 years old), a keen Rolling Stones fan, does something semi-legal and gets into a mixup on the street near the Wall. He does not try to escape, he doesn't even go nearer than about 20 m to the Wall but a man from the Border Patrol nearly kills him. This kind of accident happens because both the man and the boy are careless. It is important to know that the music of the Stones was banned in the German Democratic Republic. None of the Stones members is envolved and no particular song of theirs is relevant. So how did the Stones safe his life? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 638 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the guards know he had listened to the Stones' music? Did he listen to the song before this incident? during? Was he with others at the time? A gang? Any fighting going on? Did the Border Patrol man think he was going to climb over the wall? Did he actually fire? (but missed?) or did he almost fire, then changed his mind? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 206 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did the guards know he had listened to the Stones' music? probably not Did he listen to the song before this incident? during? Which song? He surely listened to the Stones before and after the incident but not during. He listened to the Stones because he was a fan, the latter fact is more important. Was he with others at the time? A gang? Any fighting going on? no to these Did the Border Patrol man think he was going to climb over the wall? probably Did he actually fire? yes and relevant (but missed? yope, define miss) or did he almost fire, then changed his mind? so no | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 791 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did the patrol man fire intentionally? Did he fire at the Stones fan? Or at someone close by? Or at something else? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1013 Registered: 10-2001 |
Did the guard think Tommy was trying to escape? Or trying to assist soemone else to escape? Did the bullet hit something else that saved Tommy's life - eg. his transistor radio? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 207 Registered: 8-2006 |
Plebeian: Did the patrol man fire intentionally? yes Did he fire at the Stones fan? yes Or at someone close by? no Or at something else? no Beroean: Did the guard think Tommy was trying to escape? yes Or trying to assist soemone else to escape? no Did the bullet hit something else that saved Tommy's life - eg. his transistor radio? Yes, but it was not a radio. You almost got it. | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 13 Registered: 10-2006 |
I jump in here out of the blue, trying to snatch the price from the regulars: A [pack of] black market LP record[s] (in his backpack)? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 210 Registered: 8-2006 |
A [pack of] black market LP record[s] (in his backpack)? Yes, one (double) album bought on the black market. That's the most important part. Some additional questions (let's be fair to the others): What was he doing (nothing extraordinary) while s.o. shot at him and why? What is the name of the album? What did he feel after the bullet did not hit him? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1016 Registered: 10-2001 |
"Let it bleed"? "Exile on Main Street"? "A bigger bang"? "Undercover"? "Out of our heads"? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1017 Registered: 10-2001 |
"It's only rock and roll"? "Between the buttons"? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 797 Registered: 7-2006 |
Maybe he was acting suspiciously, from his perspective merely because he didn't want the album discovered, but from the guard's point of view it could have looked like concealing or drawing a weapon? Presumably he actually felt bad after the bullet hit him, despite the fact that it saved his life the album obviously gave its life to protect him? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 214 Registered: 8-2006 |
Beroean: "Let it bleed"? "Exile on Main Street"? This one, on the 2nd try! Plebeian: Maybe he was acting suspiciously, from his perspective merely because he didn't want the album discovered, but from the guard's point of view it could have looked like concealing or drawing a weapon? no Presumably he actually felt bad after the bullet hit him, despite the fact that it saved his life the album obviously gave its life to protect him? That's it! -----------------SPOILER----------------- I took this puzzle from the film "Sonnenallee" (which is based on a book). It takes place in East Berlin in the 1970s. A subplot is about a teenager saving his money to buy "Exile on Main St." from "The Rolling Stones" (this music was banned in the German Democratic Republic). Late in the evening, after buying the record from a dealer he gets into a mixup at the wall. He runs away as he doesn't want to be stopped by the Border Patrol but they shoot at him. The bullet is stopped by the record he is hiding under his jacket. The Stones save his life however the boy is terribly unhappy that his precious record is broken. In fact, the Stones jeopardised also his life in the first place but I did not give this piece of information. Mick an Keith who might be reading this would have been upset... Thanks to the numerous players who found out parts of the puzzle and especially to those who were sticking to it. Until next time! |
