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| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 201 Registered: 9-2006 |
The axe-wielding man stood confused for a while before he was shot from behind by a man. | ||
| 0815 (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 606 Registered: 3-2006 |
The axe-wielding man: human? alive? male? real person? The shooting man: human? alive? male? real person? True story? Fictional? Computer game? other game? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 203 Registered: 9-2006 |
The axe-wielding man: human? alive? male? real person? Yes to all The shooting man: human? alive? male? real person? Yes to all True story? NoFictional? Yes, but realistic Computer game? No other game? No | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 519 Registered: 6-2006 |
Relevant why we was weilding an axe? If so, defense? as a weapon? as a tool? Does this take place outdoors? indoors? are there many trees around? relevant? Did the axe weilding man know that the other man was there? Why was he confused? Something he saw? heard? smelled? felt? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 212 Registered: 9-2006 |
Relevant why we was weilding an axe? Yes If so, defense? No as a weapon? Yes as a tool?No Does this take place outdoors? No indoors? Yes are there many trees around? Norelevant? No Did the axe weilding man know that the other man was there? Yes Why was he confused? Something he saw? Noish heard? no smelled? No felt? Noish | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 523 Registered: 6-2006 |
Can we call the axe-weilding man Joe? and the other man Rob? Was Joe intending to use the axe to hurt Rob? kill him? or was he going to use it against someone else? Was Joe confused by something he expected to see but didn't? expected to hear? was he disoriented? Did he know that Rob was armed? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 215 Registered: 9-2006 |
Can we call the axe-weilding man Joe? and the other man Rob? Sure Was Joe intending to use the axe to hurt Rob? No kill him? No or was he going to use it against someone else?Yes Was Joe confused by something he expected to see but didn't? Yope expected to hear? No was he disoriented? Yes Did he know that Rob was armed? Yes | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 526 Registered: 6-2006 |
Had Joe been injured before he was shot by Rob? If so, by accident? by the person he was intending to use the axe against? By Rob? Was Rob intending to shoot Joe? Or was he aiming for something/someone else? For he 3rd person? Are these the only 3 people involved? Is the intended victim of the axe human? adult?male? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 218 Registered: 9-2006 |
Had Joe been injured before he was shot by Rob? No If so, by accident? by the person he was intending to use the axe against? By Rob? N/A to rest Was Rob intending to shoot Joe? Yes Or was he aiming for something/someone else? No For he 3rd person? No Are these the only 3 people involved? Not really, but irrelevant Is the intended victim of the axe human? Yes adult?Yes male? Yes (FA might be coming) | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 610 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are Rob and Joe enemies? Did Rob shoot to kill him? Was Joe going to hurt himself with the axe, and Rob shot him in the arm to make him drop the weapon, and thus saved his life? (eg in McEwan's Enduring Love) If not, then.. was there only one person that Joe was threatening? Did this take place in someone's home? Joe's? Rob's? the other person? in an office? in a public place? shopping mall? Any of their occupations relevant? Is Rob a policeman? Is Joe committing a crime? Is Rob? the other person? Was Joe confused because he didn't know whether he should use the axe or not? was he mentally unsound? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 245 Registered: 9-2006 |
Are Rob and Joe enemies?No Did Rob shoot to kill him? Yes Was Joe going to hurt himself with the axe, and Rob shot him in the arm to make him drop the weapon, and thus saved his life? No (eg in McEwan's Enduring Love) If not, then.. was there only one person that Joe was threatening? YesDid this take place in someone's home? Yes Joe's? No Rob's? Yes the other person? No in an office? Noin a public place? Noshopping mall?No Any of their occupations relevant? YesIs Rob a policeman? No Is Joe committing a crime? Yes Is Rob? Yes the other person?No Was Joe confused because he didn't know whether he should use the axe or not? Yope was he mentally unsound? Yope | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 612 Registered: 3-2006 |
Let's give the poor intended victim a name. Shall we call him Bill? So.. relationship between Bill and Rob relevant? Rob and Joe? Joe and Bill? Is Bill an innocent hostage? Or has he done something to offend Joe? Would Bill normally be found in Rob's house? Would Joe? Whose occupation is relevant--Joe's? Bill's? Rob's? Was Joe suupposed to kill Bill when Joe was not around? Did Joe intend to kill Bill at all? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 247 Registered: 9-2006 |
Let's give the poor intended victim a name. Shall we call him Bill? OK So.. relationship between Bill and Rob relevant? FA Rob and Joe? Yes Joe and Bill? FA Is Bill an innocent hostage? No Or has he done something to offend Joe? Yes Would Bill normally be found in Rob's house? No Would Joe? Yes Whose occupation is relevant--Joe's? Yes Bill's? Noish Rob's? Yope Was Joe suupposed to kill Bill when Joe was not around? No Did Joe intend to kill Bill at all? Yes | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 613 Registered: 3-2006 |
So Joe wanted Bill dead? But Rob did not? Are Joe and Rob related by blood? Are they brothers? Father and son? Lovers? Did Bill come to Rob's house of his own accord? Was he tricked into coming? By Joe? By Rob? Was he taken there by force? By Joe? By Rob? Is anyone of them a hired assassin? Relevant that Joe wielded an axe? Could he have been waving a gun? A knife? Relevant where Rob got the gun from? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 248 Registered: 9-2006 |
So Joe wanted Bill dead? Yes But Rob did not? No, he did want him deadAre Joe and Rob related by blood? No Are they brothers? No Father and son? No Lovers? No Did Bill come to Rob's house of his own accord? Yesish Was he tricked into coming? No Was he taken there by force? No Is anyone of them a hired assassin? No Relevant that Joe wielded an axe? No Could he have been waving a gun? Yes A knife? Yes Relevant where Rob got the gun from? No | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 614 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are Joe and Rob partners in crime? Or had Rob pretended to be allies with Joe to achieve his own ends? So Rob wanted Bill and Joe dead? Was Joe confused because Rob had turned on him? Did Joe expect Rob to shoot him? When Rob shot Joe, was Bill still alive? Does Rob kill Bill after killing Joe? Bill came to Rob's house knowing he and Joe would be there? Did he know there would be a confrontation? And that he might end up dead? Does Bill have a weapon of his own? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 250 Registered: 9-2006 |
Are Joe and Rob partners in crime? Yope Or had Rob pretended to be allies with Joe to achieve his own ends? No So Rob wanted Bill and Joe dead? Yope Was Joe confused because Rob had turned on him? No Did Joe expect Rob to shoot him? No When Rob shot Joe, was Bill still alive? Yes Does Rob kill Bill after killing Joe? No Bill came to Rob's house knowing he and Joe would be there? Noish (he knew someone is there) Did he know there would be a confrontation? No And that he might end up dead? No Does Bill have a weapon of his own? Yesish! | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 617 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is the axe actually Bill's? Is the gun actually Bill's? Rob wanted Bill dead, correct? Did Rob want Joe dead? Did he kill Joe because he had no choice? Why does he not kill Bill after killing Joe--he no longer wishes to? He is unable to? Does he have any more bullets in his gun after kiling Joe? Is it relevant what happens to the axe after Joe falls? Are Joe and Rob friends? Was Rob acting in his own interests when he shot Joe? or was he doing it for Joe's benefit? to protect him somehow? For Bill? For someone else? Was there anyone else in the house besides these three men at the time? Was there anyone relevant outside or around the house? The police? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 251 Registered: 9-2006 |
Is the axe actually Bill's? No Is the gun actually Bill's? No Rob wanted Bill dead, correct? Yes Did Rob want Joe dead? No Did he kill Joe because he had no choice? Yope Why does he not kill Bill after killing Joe--he no longer wishes to? Yope He is unable to? Yope Does he have any more bullets in his gun after kiling Joe? Yes Is it relevant what happens to the axe after Joe falls? No Are Joe and Rob friends? NoishWas Rob acting in his own interests when he shot Joe? Yes or was he doing it for Joe's benefit? No to protect him somehow? Him=Joe? No; Him=Rob? Yes For Bill? No For someone else? No Was there anyone else in the house besides these three men at the time? No Was there anyone relevant outside or around the house? No The police? No | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 619 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did Rob feel threatened by Bill? Did he find something out about Bill? If Joe had succeeded in killing Bill, would Rob die? be arrested? Did Bill offend Joe and Rob, or just Joe? Was he a member of an organisation? eg the mafia etc? What about Joe and Rob? Immediately after the shooting--do Bill and Rob fight? Does Rob try to hurt Bill? Does Bill try to hurt Rob? Is Bill restrained in any way? Is he tied up? chained? Is Bill a client of Joe's? of Rob's? Do Joe and Rob have an illegal business? Is Joe a drug dealer? Is Rob? So before this whole incident, Joe and Rob were sitting in Rob's house, correct? Waiting for Bill? With their weapons at the ready? Planning to kill Bill? At this moment, did it occur to Rob that he would shoot Joe? If Rob had been the one about to kill Bill with the axe, would Joe have shot him? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 252 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did Rob feel threatened by Bill? Yes Did he find something out about Bill? No If Joe had succeeded in killing Bill, would Rob die? No be arrested?Possibly Did Bill offend Joe and Rob, or just Joe? Both of them Was he a member of an organisation? No eg the mafia etc? What about Joe and Rob? Joe, not really; Rob, yes Immediately after the shooting--do Bill and Rob fight? No Does Rob try to hurt Bill? No Does Bill try to hurt Rob? No Is Bill restrained in any way? NoIs he tied up? No chained? No Is Bill a client of Joe's? No of Rob's? No Do Joe and Rob have an illegal business?Yope Is Joe a drug dealer? No Is Rob? Yes So before this whole incident, Joe and Rob were sitting in Rob's house, correct? Yes Waiting for Bill? No With their weapons at the ready? No Planning to kill Bill? No At this moment, did it occur to Rob that he would shoot Joe? Which moment? Before Bill arrived? No If Rob had been the one about to kill Bill with the axe, would Joe have shot him? No | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 620 Registered: 3-2006 |
Does Joe use drugs, then? which he gets from Rob? Before Bill came, was Joe buying drugs from Rob? Did Bill know that he was entering the home of a drug dealer? Did he want to get some himself? Did he want to nab Joe? Rob? Is Bill an enforcer of the law? Joe's occupation: civil service? finance, banking etc? medical profession? media? chemist? in the arts? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 253 Registered: 9-2006 |
Does Joe use drugs, then? No which he gets from Rob? No Before Bill came, was Joe buying drugs from Rob? No Did Bill know that he was entering the home of a drug dealer? No, but he suspected something Did he want to get some himself? No Did he want to nab Joe? No Rob? No Is Bill an enforcer of the law? No Joe's occupation: civil service? finance, banking etc? medical profession? media? chemist? in the arts? None of those | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 621 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did Bill know Joe and Rob before going to Rob's house? Did Bill offend Joe before the visit, or during? Did Bill offend Rob before the visit, or during? Did Rob ever invite him there? Did someone else tell Bill about Rob, and suggest that he pay Rob a visit? Did Bill have a specific purpose for going to Rob's house? Monetary gain? A friendly visit? When Bill first entered the house, was he armed? When Joe was brandishing the axe at him, was Bill armed? After Joe died, Bill just went home? Did he and Rob talk? come to an agreement about something? Did Bill achieve what he had planned prior to entering the house? Was Rob arrrested in the end? Was Joe's presence in the house when Bill dropped by purely coincidental? The minute Bill stepped into the house and came into contact with Joe and Rob, did Rob decide he would shoot Joe? Did Rob shoot Joe because Joe knew something he shouldn't? Did Rob not want Joe to know that he knew Bill? Did Bill reveal information that Rob didn't want Joe to hear? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 254 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did Bill know Joe and Rob before going to Rob's house? He knew Rob Did Bill offend Joe before the visit, or during? During Did Bill offend Rob before the visit, or during? During Did Rob ever invite him there? No Did someone else tell Bill about Rob, and suggest that he pay Rob a visit? No Did Bill have a specific purpose for going to Rob's house? Yes Monetary gain? No A friendly visit? Yes When Bill first entered the house, was he armed? Yesish When Joe was brandishing the axe at him, was Bill armed? Yesish After Joe died, Bill just went home? No Did he and Rob talk? No come to an agreement about something? No Did Bill achieve what he had planned prior to entering the house? He just wanted to visit Rob Was Rob arrrested in the end? Yes, but irr Was Joe's presence in the house when Bill dropped by purely coincidental? No The minute Bill stepped into the house and came into contact with Joe and Rob, did Rob decide he would shoot Joe? No Did Rob shoot Joe because Joe knew something he shouldn't? No Did Rob not want Joe to know that he knew Bill? No Did Bill reveal information that Rob didn't want Joe to hear? No | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 622 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was Joe's visit to Rob a friendly visit too? Or were they discussing serious matters? related to Rob's business? to Joe's occupation? Bill's yesish weapon: was he carrying anything on him that is usually considered dangerous? eg knife? gun? or did he have something more innocent-looking, but could inflict damage? If so, did Bob intend to use this as a weapon before he came? Did Bob try to hit Joe? Rob? Did he offend them because he said something about Rob's drug business? Threatened to report him? So Joe didn't want Bill dead until he visited Rob? And Rob didn't want Bill dead until this visit? Rob shot Joe because Joe being alive would mean Rob might get arrrested--is this correct? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 256 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was Joe's visit to Rob a friendly visit too? No Or were they discussing serious matters? No Bill's yesish weapon: was he carrying anything on him that is usually considered dangerous? No eg knife? gun? No or did he have something more innocent-looking, but could inflict damage? Yesish If so, did Bob intend to use this as a weapon before he came? Bob? Who's Bob? So Joe didn't want Bill dead until he visited Rob? Yes And Rob didn't want Bill dead until this visit? Yes Rob shot Joe because Joe being alive would mean Rob might get arrrested--is this correct? No | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 623 Registered: 3-2006 |
Oops sorry! I mean Bill. So, before he came into the house, did he already intend to use his object as a weapon? Did Bill try to hit Joe? Did he try to hit Rob? Did he offend them because he said something about Rob's drug business? Threatened to report him? Rob wants Joe dead because if Joe were alive: Rob would face physical danger? Rob would get in trouble with his fellow drug dealers? Rob would get in trouble with Bill? Rob would lose money? Some harm would come to someone Rob cares about? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 258 Registered: 9-2006 |
Oops sorry! I mean Bill. So, before he came into the house, did he already intend to use his object as a weapon? No Did Bill try to hit Joe? No Did he try to hit Rob? No Did he offend them because he said something about Rob's drug business? Threatened to report him? No and no Rob wants Joe dead because if Joe were alive: Rob would face physical danger? Yes (or at least that's what Rob thinks) Rob would get in trouble with his fellow drug dealers? No Rob would get in trouble with Bill? No Rob would lose money? No Some harm would come to someone Rob cares about?No | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 625 Registered: 3-2006 |
Rob thinks he would face physical danger because... Joe would hurt him? Bill would hurt him? someone else would hurt him? Are there any misunderstandings here? Does Rob misinterpret Joe's actions? Do Rob and Joe both want Bill dead for the same reason? Does Bill want Joe or Rob dead? Did Bill say something offensive? threatening? did he do something offensive or threatening? Is Joe often in Rob's house? Is he always there? Does Joe rent a room in Rob's house? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 260 Registered: 9-2006 |
Rob thinks he would face physical danger because... Joe would hurt him? Yes Bill would hurt him? No someone else would hurt him? No Are there any misunderstandings here? Yes Does Rob misinterpret Joe's actions? Yes Do Rob and Joe both want Bill dead for the same reason? Yes Does Bill want Joe or Rob dead? No Did Bill say something offensive? No threatening? No did he do something offensive or threatening? Except for arriving, no Is Joe often in Rob's house? Yes Is he always there? Yes Does Joe rent a room in Rob's house?No | ||
| Senorina_illuminata (Senorina_illuminata)
New member Username: Senorina_illuminata Post Number: 88 Registered: 9-2006 |
are either of the three men drug users? if yes who? rob? joe? bill? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 263 Registered: 9-2006 |
are either of the three men drug users? No | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 627 Registered: 3-2006 |
Does Rob think Joe is going to use the axe to hurt him? If Bill had just arrived, sat down, smiled at Rob and said nothing, would Joe still want him dead? Rob? Does Joe know that Rob wants Bill dead? Does Rob know that Joe wants Bill dead? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 266 Registered: 9-2006 |
Does Rob think Joe is going to use the axe to hurt him? Yes If Bill had just arrived, sat down, smiled at Rob and said nothing, would Joe still want him dead? Yes Rob? Yes Does Joe know that Rob wants Bill dead? Yesish Does Rob know that Joe wants Bill dead? Yesish | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 628 Registered: 3-2006 |
So, Bill wasn't supposed to turn up at Rob's house? Was he not supposed to see Joe and Rob together? Was he not supposed to know where Rob's house was? Were Joe and Rob doing anything relevant when Bill entered? something Bill was not supposed to know about? Before Bill entered, were Rob and Joe having an argument? Was there any hostility between the two men which would make Rob think Joe wanted to kill him? Did it seem as though Joe was waving the axe at Rob? Was he clumsy with the axe? Was he drunk? How long did Joe wield the axe for--a few seconds? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? half an hour? an hour? longer? anywhere in between? Was Joe confused before picking up the axe? or only some time after wielding it? Was it obvious to Bill that Joe was out to get him with the axe? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 269 Registered: 9-2006 |
So, Bill wasn't supposed to turn up at Rob's house? Yes Was he not supposed to see Joe and Rob together? No Was he not supposed to know where Rob's house was? No Were Joe and Rob doing anything relevant when Bill entered? Yes something Bill was not supposed to know about? Yes Before Bill entered, were Rob and Joe having an argument? No Was there any hostility between the two men which would make Rob think Joe wanted to kill him? No Did it seem as though Joe was waving the axe at Rob? No Was he clumsy with the axe? No Was he drunk? No How long did Joe wield the axe for--a few seconds? Yes Was Joe confused before picking up the axe? No or only some time after wielding it? Yes Was it obvious to Bill that Joe was out to get him with the axe? Yes | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 629 Registered: 3-2006 |
So something happened while Joe was wielding the axe to make him confused, yes? Did Rob say something? Did Bill? Did Rob do something? Did Bill? What Joe and Rob were doing: anything to do with drugs? something illegal? something dangerous? were they planning to hurt someone? showing affection for one another? would whatever they were doing be obvious to anyone who walked in? Does Joe work for Rob? Does Rob work for Joe? Is Bill just an ordinary friend of Rob's? How they met in the first place relevant? By the way, could you please ask questions on my Poor Boy? He's feeling very lonely at the moment..  | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 271 Registered: 9-2006 |
So something happened while Joe was wielding the axe to make him confused, yes? Yes Did Rob say something? No Did Bill? Yes Did Rob do something? No Did Bill? Yes-ish What Joe and Rob were doing: anything to do with drugs? Yes something illegal? Yes something dangerous? Yope - drugs harm people were they planning to hurt someone? Yope - drugs harm people showing affection for one another? No would whatever they were doing be obvious to anyone who walked in? Yes Does Joe work for Rob? Yes Does Rob work for Joe? No Is Bill just an ordinary friend of Rob's? Yes How they met in the first place relevant? Not really | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 632 Registered: 3-2006 |
Were there drugs physically present when Bill entered? They weren't using, correct? Were they preparing it in some way? Packaging them to be sent to the buyers? What Bill said: something to do with Rob? Something to do with the situation? something to do with Joe? with himself? Did this statement of Bill's make Joe hesitate to kill him? And did Rob take this to mean that Joe was thinking of turning on him instead? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 276 Registered: 9-2006 |
Were there drugs physically present when Bill entered? Yes They weren't using, correct? Yes, they weren't Were they preparing it in some way? Yes Packaging them to be sent to the buyers? Yes What Bill said: something to do with Rob? Yesish Something to do with the situation? Yes something to do with Joe? Yesish with himself? Yes Did this statement of Bill's make Joe hesitate to kill him? Yes And did Rob take this to mean that Joe was thinking of turning on him instead? Yope | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 640 Registered: 3-2006 |
Ok, so Joe and Rob are sitting together packing their drugs, and Bill pops by unexpectedly to say hello. Joe and Rob are horrified at him discovering this, and so Joe picks up an axe to kill him. Bill, hoping to change Joe's mind, says something to him. Joe hesitates. (Does he do anything else other than hesitate? Does he turn to look at Rob? Unconsciously still waving the axe threateningly?) Rob thinks Joe is going to kill him, so he shoots Joe. Do we need to find out what happens after that? Are there any missing links in the above story? So now all we need to know is what Bill said, what Joe did, and why Rob thought he was in danger from Joe? Has Rob ever wronged Joe in some way? If so, did Bill reveal Rob's deed to Joe? Did Rob think that Bill had revealed his deed to Joe? Did Rob have a legitimate reason for believing that Joe had a good reason to kill him? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 280 Registered: 9-2006 |
Ok, so Joe and Rob are sitting together packing their drugs, and Bill pops by unexpectedly to say hello. Yes Joe and Rob are horrified at him discovering this, and so Joe picks up an axe to kill him. Yes Bill, hoping to change Joe's mind, says something to him. Yesish Joe hesitates. Yesish (Does he do anything else other than hesitate? No Does he turn to look at Rob? No Unconsciously still waving the axe threateningly? Yes) Rob thinks Joe is going to kill him, so he shoots Joe.Yes Do we need to find out what happens after that? No Are there any missing links in the above story? So now all we need to know is what Bill said Yes, what Joe did,Yope and why Rob thought he was in danger from Joe? Yes Has Rob ever wronged Joe in some way? No Did Rob have a legitimate reason for believing that Joe had a good reason to kill him?Yes Hint: Find out what was Bill's weapon - once you figure it out, almost all the pieces of the story will neatly fall into place. | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2006 |
So only therefore I'm not going to ask directly about Bill's weapon... In his moment of confused axe-wielding, does Joe (come to) believe something about Bill which isn't true? If so, has this mistaken belief of his come about as a result of the thing Bill said? Or as a result of the fact that Bill is carrying the particular "weapon" that he does? Or as a result of the combination of the two above reasons? Alternatively, in his moment of confused axe-wielding, does Joe (come to) believe something about Rob which isn't true? If so, has this mistaken belief of his come about as a result of the thing Bill said? Or as a result of the fact that Bill is carrying the particular "weapon" that he does? Or as a result of the combination of the two above reasons? Alternatively yet again, in the moment of Jim's confused axe-wielding, does Rob (come to) believe something about Bill which isn't true? If so, has this mistaken belief of his come about as a result of the thing Bill said? Or as a result of the fact that Bill is carrying the particular "weapon" that he does? Or as a result of the combination of the two above reasons? Does anybody (come to) believe that Bill is affiliated with the police, at that moment? Does anybody (come to) believe that Bill knows something about Rob which he doesn't know? If so, is it something about hidden drugs or money? Does Bill suggest some kind of deal between himself and Joe? If so, does it involve him and Joe turning on Rob in some way? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 284 Registered: 9-2006 |
So only therefore I'm not going to ask directly about Bill's weapon... In his moment of confused axe-wielding, does Joe (come to) believe something about Bill which isn't true? Yope If so, has this mistaken belief of his come about as a result of the thing Bill said? Yes Or as a result of the fact that Bill is carrying the particular "weapon" that he does?Yes Or as a result of the combination of the two above reasons?Yes Alternatively, in his moment of confused axe-wielding, does Joe (come to) believe something about Rob which isn't true? No Alternatively yet again, in the moment of Jim's confused axe-wielding, does Rob (come to) believe something about Bill which isn't true? Yope If so, has this mistaken belief of his come about as a result of the thing Bill said? Yes Or as a result of the fact that Bill is carrying the particular "weapon" that he does? Yes Or as a result of the combination of the two above reasons? Yes Does anybody (come to) believe that Bill is affiliated with the police, at that moment? No Does anybody (come to) believe that Bill knows something about Rob which he doesn't know? No If so, is it something about hidden drugs or money?No Does Bill suggest some kind of deal between himself and Joe? No If so, does it involve him and Joe turning on Rob in some way? No | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 644 Registered: 3-2006 |
Bill's weapon: Can it cause physical harm? Or more like a sign that he can cause them harm in other ways? like a badge? membership card of a secret society? Joe doesn't go through with the killing of Bill because he is afraid of getting hurt physically? If yes, is he afraid of getting hurt at that moment? or later on? Or is he afraid of being reported to the police? arrested? linked with Rob? Afraid of losing money? other property that he owns? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 286 Registered: 9-2006 |
Bill's weapon: Can it cause physical harm? Yes, but indirectly Or more like a sign that he can cause them harm in other ways? No like a badge? No membership card of a secret society? No Joe doesn't go through with the killing of Bill because he is afraid of getting hurt physically? No Or is he afraid of being reported to the police? arrested? linked with Rob? Afraid of losing money? other property that he owns? No to all | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 648 Registered: 3-2006 |
Indirectly: it can cause someone else to cause harm to Joe? When used in conjunction with another object, it can cause harm? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 289 Registered: 9-2006 |
Indirectly: it can cause someone else to cause harm to Joe? Yes When used in conjunction with another object, it can cause harm? Yope | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 657 Registered: 3-2006 |
This someone else that can harm Joe: Rob? Bill's friends? Does Bill have affiliations to any illegal groups? semi-legal? legal? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 292 Registered: 9-2006 |
This someone else that can harm Joe: Rob? Yes Bill's friends? Not really Does Bill have affiliations to any illegal groups? semi-legal? legal?No to all | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 658 Registered: 3-2006 |
So Bill has a "weapon" that can cause Rob to hurt Joe? To Joe, was this proof of some kind that Rob had malevolent intentions towards him? Has Rob done anything in the past that is relevant? Something that Bill is using to blackmail him into turning on Joe? (or so Rob thinks Joe thinks?) I seem to be going round in circles a bit.. | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 294 Registered: 9-2006 |
So Bill has a "weapon" that can cause Rob to hurt Joe? Yes To Joe, was this proof of some kind that Rob had malevolent intentions towards him? No Has Rob done anything in the past that is relevant? No Something that Bill is using to blackmail him into turning on Joe? (or so Rob thinks Joe thinks?) No HINT: Bill's "weapon" isn't a "weapon" in a traditional sense. | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hypnotizer? ;) | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2006 |
Is it apparent to Joe that Bill's "weapon" is a weapon which can cause Rob to hurt him, without Bill explaining that? If not apparent, does the thing that Bill says explain this fact? The thing that Rob and Joe come to beleive, and which is yopishly contrafactual: Is it whether Bill actually is planning to use the weapon in a way which will cause Rob to hurt Joe? Or is it something about the weapon? That it in fact cannot do this? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 296 Registered: 9-2006 |
Hypnotizer? ;) YES! Is it apparent to Joe that Bill's "weapon" is a weapon which can cause Rob to hurt him, without Bill explaining that? No If not apparent, does the thing that Bill says explain this fact? No The thing that Rob and Joe come to beleive, and which is yopishly contrafactual: Is it whether Bill actually is planning to use the weapon in a way which will cause Rob to hurt Joe? No Or is it something about the weapon? No That it in fact cannot do this? No | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 660 Registered: 3-2006 |
Ah..so Bill hypnotises Rob? Makes Rob believe that Joe is dangerous and must be shot? And this is why Joe is confused? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 298 Registered: 9-2006 |
Ah..so Bill hypnotises Rob? Yes Makes Rob believe that Joe is dangerous and must be shot? Yes, but not directly; Bill didn't expect Rob to shoot Joe And this is why Joe is confused? No | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2006 |
HA! My suggestion (pun not intended) about a hypnotizer was purely in spe; it wasn't my impression that this puzzle had had a Donald Duckish feeling to it so far... Or do hypnotizer guns actually exist? Or was it simply a pendulum? Or some other traditional hypnotist's tool? So... Bill is spending several minutes trying to hypnotize Rob, all the while Joe is running against him with an axe? Or did he have a good chance to talk calmly with Rob before Joe came running berserk and trying to kill him? So Bill hypnotizes Rob into believing that Joe is a bad guy? And that Bill (still) is his friend, despite this hullabahoo about him discovering the whole drug business? If so, is there something more specific about the content of the things that Bill is (trying to) hypnotize Rob into believing? Or is the puzzle solved already? Or does he hypnotize Joe too? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 300 Registered: 9-2006 |
Or do hypnotizer guns actually exist? Haha, no Or was it simply a pendulum? No Or some other traditional hypnotist's tool? No So... Bill is spending several minutes trying to hypnotize Rob, all the while Joe is running against him with an axe? Or did he have a good chance to talk calmly with Rob before Joe came running berserk and trying to kill him? No. He has a special power of hypnotizing people almost instantly. So Bill hypnotizes Rob into believing that Joe is a bad guy? Yes, but not directly And that Bill (still) is his friend, despite this hullabahoo about him discovering the whole drug business? No If so, is there something more specific about the content of the things that Bill is (trying to) hypnotize Rob into believing? Yes Or is the puzzle solved already? No. You have to guess what Bill said to Joe and Rob, and find out why exactly Rob shot Joe Or does he hypnotize Joe too? Yes | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 37 Registered: 10-2006 |
Yes - I know now: I came up with the answer right now before I read your answers to my latest questions. This is what happened: Bill hypnotized both Rob and Joe into forgetting what happened the last 30 minutes or so (i.e. Bill discovering about their drug business, and them wanting to kill him because of that). That's why Joe suddenly is very confused about why he's standing around swinging an axe. And Rob wakes up into a situation where he sees Joe swinging an axe above his good old friend Bill's head. And for some reason he has a gun in his hand too. So he acts swiftly and fires the gun at Joe. Right? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 304 Registered: 9-2006 |
Bill hypnotized both Rob and Joe into forgetting what happened the last 30 minutes or so (i.e. Bill discovering about their drug business, and them wanting to kill him because of that) Not exactly, but close. That's why Joe suddenly is very confused about why he's standing around swinging an axe. Yes And Rob wakes up into a situation where he sees Joe swinging an axe above his good old friend Bill's head. No And for some reason he has a gun in his hand too. So he acts swiftly and fires the gun at Joe. Right? Mostly yes I guess I can give the answer now. | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 56 Registered: 10-2006 |
Or does Rob believe that Joe is swinging the axe at him and not at Bill? Has the hypnosis content something to do with forgetting things? Or just something to do with confusion? Does Rob remember that Bill is (or used to be) his friend? Does Bill say something like "No! Don't kill Rob!"? or "Help! Dont kill me"? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2006 |
Or more generally: does Bill say anything relevant at all after the hypnotizing has occured? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 309 Registered: 9-2006 |
Or does Rob believe that Joe is swinging the axe at him and not at Bill? Yesish Has the hypnosis content something to do with forgetting things? Yes Or just something to do with confusion? Noish Does Rob remember that Bill is (or used to be) his friend? Irr Does Bill say something like "No! Don't kill Rob!"? or "Help! Dont kill me"? No Or more generally: does Bill say anything relevant at all after the hypnotizing has occured? No | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2006 |
So what is the distance Rob to Joe, approximately? Does the hypnosis involve the suggestion that people who want to kill other people with an axe always attack with their back turned towards the victim? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 665 Registered: 3-2006 |
Does Bill plant false memories into Rob's head? Making him think that Joe is upset with him, and wants to kill him? Does Bill make Rob believe that Joe is Bill and Bill is Joe? The thing that Bill says: before the hypnosis? during? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 312 Registered: 9-2006 |
So what is the distance Rob to Joe, approximately? About 1 metre Does the hypnosis involve the suggestion that people who want to kill other people with an axe always attack with their back turned towards the victim? No Does Bill plant false memories into Rob's head? Yes Making him think that Joe is upset with him, and wants to kill him? No Does Bill make Rob believe that Joe is Bill and Bill is Joe? No The thing that Bill says: before the hypnosis? No during? Yes | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 667 Registered: 3-2006 |
So Bill makes Rob "remember" that Joe is his enemy? that Joe has found out about the drug business? that Joe is going to kill Bill, and then Rob? that Bill is trying to protect Rob? that Joe knows something about Rob? Does he plant false memories into Joe's head as well, or does he just make him forget? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 319 Registered: 9-2006 |
So Bill makes Rob "remember" that Joe is his enemy? that Joe has found out about the drug business? that Joe is going to kill Bill, and then Rob? that Bill is trying to protect Rob? that Joe knows something about Rob? None of those Does Bill plant false memories into Rob's head? Actually, he just makes him forget Does he plant false memories into Joe's head as well, or does he just make him forget? He makes him forget | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 669 Registered: 3-2006 |
Oh, ok. So both Joe and Rob suddenly have no idea what is going on, and to Joe, he is swinging an axe for no reason, yes? Does Rob see that Joe is swinging the axe at Bill? Does Joe turn to look at him at all? Is Joe's back facing him? To an objective onlooker, would it look as though Joe was swinging the axe at Rob or at Bill? Does Rob see anything else that would make him think Joe was trying to kill him with the axe? After Rob and Joe forget, no one says anything, correct? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 346 Registered: 9-2006 |
Oh, ok. So both Joe and Rob suddenly have no idea what is going on, and to Joe, he is swinging an axe for no reason, yes? Yes Does Rob see that Joe is swinging the axe at Bill? No Does Joe turn to look at him at all? No Is Joe's back facing him? Yes To an objective onlooker, would it look as though Joe was swinging the axe at Rob No or at Bill? Yes Does Rob see anything else that would make him think Joe was trying to kill him with the axe? No, but explore After Rob and Joe forget, no one says anything, correct? Yes | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 670 Registered: 3-2006 |
Rob and Joe are standing quite close together, correct? Does Joe accidentally hit Rob with the axe as he's swinging it? Does the axe come a little too near Rob, and in his disoriented state, he fires the gun in panic? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 353 Registered: 9-2006 |
Rob and Joe are standing quite close together, correct? No Does Joe accidentally hit Rob with the axe as he's swinging it? No Does the axe come a little too near Rob, and in his disoriented state, he fires the gun in panic? Yes I guess evetyhing's set, except for one thing: what did Bill suggest to Joe and Rob? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 671 Registered: 3-2006 |
He suggested something? Before the hypnosis? During? Was it something about the identity of Joe? of Bill? of Rob? Something about the actions of Joe? of Bill? of Rob? Something about the intentions of Joe? of Bill? of Rob? Something about the house? Something regarding their history? Bill's past? Joe's? Rob's? Something about the relationship between Rob and Joe? Bill and Joe? Bill and Rob? Anything to do with the drugs all over the floor? Or do they (Joe and Rob) simply not notice them? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 365 Registered: 9-2006 |
He suggested something? Before the hypnosis? During? That's what I meant Was it something about the identity of Joe? of Bill? of Rob? Noy at all Something about the actions of Joe? No of Bill? Noish of Rob? No Something about the intentions of Joe? No of Bill? Noish of Rob? No Something about the house? No Something regarding their history? Bill's past? No...ish Joe's? NoRob's?No Something about the relationship between Rob and Joe? No Bill and Joe? No...ish Bill and Rob?No...ish Anything to do with the drugs all over the floor? No Or do they (Joe and Rob) simply not notice them? no | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 378 Registered: 9-2006 |
Okay, this had been sitting still too long. I'm posting the answer tomorrow if nothing happens. | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 383 Registered: 9-2006 |
***SPOILER*** Bill, a skilled hypnotist, came over to his old friend Rob's house to make a surprise visit. But then he saw Rob as he was packing drugs to send to the customers. When Rob saw Bill, he panicked and sent his bodyguard Joe to Kill Bill. Bill quickly hypnotized the two, suggesting them that he isn't in the room and he never was. Joe then found himself standing in the middle of the room, swinging an axe, for no apparent reason. Rob panicked and though that Joe has gone insane, so he quickly shot Joe. (Bill has made his escape). | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 674 Registered: 3-2006 |
But how could it seem that he was swinging the axe at Bill, if Bill was no longer there? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 391 Registered: 9-2006 |
Bill escaped later. |
