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Posted on Friday, October 13, 2006 - 8:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The axe-wielding man stood confused for a while before he was shot from behind by a man.
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The axe-wielding man: human? alive? male? real person?

The shooting man: human? alive? male? real person?

True story? Fictional? Computer game? other game?
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The axe-wielding man: human? alive? male? real person? Yes to all

The shooting man: human? alive? male? real person? Yes to all

True story? NoFictional? Yes, but realistic Computer game? No other game? No
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Relevant why we was weilding an axe? If so, defense? as a weapon? as a tool?
Does this take place outdoors? indoors? are there many trees around? relevant?
Did the axe weilding man know that the other man was there?
Why was he confused? Something he saw? heard? smelled? felt?
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Relevant why we was weilding an axe? Yes If so, defense? No as a weapon? Yes as a tool?No
Does this take place outdoors? No indoors? Yes are there many trees around? Norelevant? No
Did the axe weilding man know that the other man was there? Yes
Why was he confused? Something he saw? Noish heard? no smelled? No felt? Noish
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Can we call the axe-weilding man Joe? and the other man Rob?

Was Joe intending to use the axe to hurt Rob? kill him? or was he going to use it against someone else?

Was Joe confused by something he expected to see but didn't? expected to hear? was he disoriented?
Did he know that Rob was armed?
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Can we call the axe-weilding man Joe? and the other man Rob? Sure

Was Joe intending to use the axe to hurt Rob? No kill him? No or was he going to use it against someone else?Yes

Was Joe confused by something he expected to see but didn't? Yope expected to hear? No was he disoriented? Yes
Did he know that Rob was armed? Yes
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Had Joe been injured before he was shot by Rob? If so, by accident? by the person he was intending to use the axe against? By Rob?
Was Rob intending to shoot Joe? Or was he aiming for something/someone else? For he 3rd person?
Are these the only 3 people involved?

Is the intended victim of the axe human? adult?male?
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Had Joe been injured before he was shot by Rob? No If so, by accident? by the person he was intending to use the axe against? By Rob? N/A to rest
Was Rob intending to shoot Joe? Yes Or was he aiming for something/someone else? No For he 3rd person? No
Are these the only 3 people involved? Not really, but irrelevant

Is the intended victim of the axe human? Yes adult?Yes male? Yes (FA might be coming)
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Are Rob and Joe enemies? Did Rob shoot to kill him? Was Joe going to hurt himself with the axe, and Rob shot him in the arm to make him drop the weapon, and thus saved his life? (eg in McEwan's Enduring Love)

If not, then..
was there only one person that Joe was threatening? Did this take place in someone's home? Joe's? Rob's? the other person? in an office? in a public place? shopping mall?
Any of their occupations relevant? Is Rob a policeman? Is Joe committing a crime? Is Rob? the other person?
Was Joe confused because he didn't know whether he should use the axe or not? was he mentally unsound?
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Are Rob and Joe enemies?No Did Rob shoot to kill him? Yes Was Joe going to hurt himself with the axe, and Rob shot him in the arm to make him drop the weapon, and thus saved his life? No (eg in McEwan's Enduring Love)

If not, then..
was there only one person that Joe was threatening? YesDid this take place in someone's home? Yes Joe's? No Rob's? Yes the other person? No in an office? Noin a public place? Noshopping mall?No
Any of their occupations relevant? YesIs Rob a policeman? No Is Joe committing a crime? Yes Is Rob? Yes the other person?No
Was Joe confused because he didn't know whether he should use the axe or not? Yope was he mentally unsound? Yope
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Let's give the poor intended victim a name. Shall we call him Bill?
So..
relationship between Bill and Rob relevant?
Rob and Joe?
Joe and Bill?

Is Bill an innocent hostage? Or has he done something to offend Joe? Would Bill normally be found in Rob's house? Would Joe?
Whose occupation is relevant--Joe's? Bill's? Rob's?
Was Joe suupposed to kill Bill when Joe was not around? Did Joe intend to kill Bill at all?
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Let's give the poor intended victim a name. Shall we call him Bill? OK
So..
relationship between Bill and Rob relevant? FA
Rob and Joe? Yes
Joe and Bill? FA

Is Bill an innocent hostage? No Or has he done something to offend Joe? Yes Would Bill normally be found in Rob's house? No Would Joe? Yes
Whose occupation is relevant--Joe's? Yes Bill's? Noish Rob's? Yope
Was Joe suupposed to kill Bill when Joe was not around? No Did Joe intend to kill Bill at all? Yes
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So Joe wanted Bill dead? But Rob did not? Are Joe and Rob related by blood? Are they brothers? Father and son? Lovers?
Did Bill come to Rob's house of his own accord? Was he tricked into coming? By Joe? By Rob? Was he taken there by force? By Joe? By Rob? Is anyone of them a hired assassin?
Relevant that Joe wielded an axe? Could he have been waving a gun? A knife? Relevant where Rob got the gun from?
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So Joe wanted Bill dead? Yes But Rob did not? No, he did want him deadAre Joe and Rob related by blood? No Are they brothers? No Father and son? No Lovers? No
Did Bill come to Rob's house of his own accord? Yesish Was he tricked into coming? No Was he taken there by force? No Is anyone of them a hired assassin? No
Relevant that Joe wielded an axe? No Could he have been waving a gun? Yes A knife? Yes Relevant where Rob got the gun from? No
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Are Joe and Rob partners in crime? Or had Rob pretended to be allies with Joe to achieve his own ends?
So Rob wanted Bill and Joe dead? Was Joe confused because Rob had turned on him? Did Joe expect Rob to shoot him?
When Rob shot Joe, was Bill still alive? Does Rob kill Bill after killing Joe? Bill came to Rob's house knowing he and Joe would be there? Did he know there would be a confrontation? And that he might end up dead? Does Bill have a weapon of his own?
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Are Joe and Rob partners in crime? Yope Or had Rob pretended to be allies with Joe to achieve his own ends? No
So Rob wanted Bill and Joe dead? Yope Was Joe confused because Rob had turned on him? No Did Joe expect Rob to shoot him? No
When Rob shot Joe, was Bill still alive? Yes Does Rob kill Bill after killing Joe? No Bill came to Rob's house knowing he and Joe would be there? Noish (he knew someone is there) Did he know there would be a confrontation? No And that he might end up dead? No Does Bill have a weapon of his own? Yesish!
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Is the axe actually Bill's? Is the gun actually Bill's?
Rob wanted Bill dead, correct? Did Rob want Joe dead? Did he kill Joe because he had no choice? Why does he not kill Bill after killing Joe--he no longer wishes to? He is unable to? Does he have any more bullets in his gun after kiling Joe? Is it relevant what happens to the axe after Joe falls?
Are Joe and Rob friends? Was Rob acting in his own interests when he shot Joe? or was he doing it for Joe's benefit? to protect him somehow? For Bill? For someone else? Was there anyone else in the house besides these three men at the time? Was there anyone relevant outside or around the house? The police?
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Is the axe actually Bill's? No Is the gun actually Bill's? No
Rob wanted Bill dead, correct? Yes Did Rob want Joe dead? No Did he kill Joe because he had no choice? Yope Why does he not kill Bill after killing Joe--he no longer wishes to? Yope He is unable to? Yope Does he have any more bullets in his gun after kiling Joe? Yes Is it relevant what happens to the axe after Joe falls? No
Are Joe and Rob friends? NoishWas Rob acting in his own interests when he shot Joe? Yes or was he doing it for Joe's benefit? No to protect him somehow? Him=Joe? No; Him=Rob? Yes For Bill? No For someone else? No Was there anyone else in the house besides these three men at the time? No Was there anyone relevant outside or around the house? No The police? No
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Did Rob feel threatened by Bill? Did he find something out about Bill? If Joe had succeeded in killing Bill, would Rob die? be arrested?
Did Bill offend Joe and Rob, or just Joe? Was he a member of an organisation? eg the mafia etc? What about Joe and Rob?
Immediately after the shooting--do Bill and Rob fight? Does Rob try to hurt Bill? Does Bill try to hurt Rob? Is Bill restrained in any way? Is he tied up? chained? Is Bill a client of Joe's? of Rob's? Do Joe and Rob have an illegal business? Is Joe a drug dealer? Is Rob?
So before this whole incident, Joe and Rob were sitting in Rob's house, correct? Waiting for Bill? With their weapons at the ready? Planning to kill Bill? At this moment, did it occur to Rob that he would shoot Joe?
If Rob had been the one about to kill Bill with the axe, would Joe have shot him?
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Did Rob feel threatened by Bill? Yes
Did he find something out about Bill? No
If Joe had succeeded in killing Bill, would Rob die? No be arrested?Possibly
Did Bill offend Joe and Rob, or just Joe? Both of them Was he a member of an organisation? No eg the mafia etc? What about Joe and Rob? Joe, not really; Rob, yes
Immediately after the shooting--do Bill and Rob fight? No
Does Rob try to hurt Bill? No
Does Bill try to hurt Rob? No
Is Bill restrained in any way? NoIs he tied up? No chained? No
Is Bill a client of Joe's? No of Rob's? No Do Joe and Rob have an illegal business?Yope
Is Joe a drug dealer? No Is Rob? Yes
So before this whole incident, Joe and Rob were sitting in Rob's house, correct? Yes
Waiting for Bill? No
With their weapons at the ready? No Planning to kill Bill? No
At this moment, did it occur to Rob that he would shoot Joe? Which moment? Before Bill arrived? No
If Rob had been the one about to kill Bill with the axe, would Joe have shot him? No
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Does Joe use drugs, then? which he gets from Rob? Before Bill came, was Joe buying drugs from Rob?
Did Bill know that he was entering the home of a drug dealer? Did he want to get some himself? Did he want to nab Joe? Rob? Is Bill an enforcer of the law?
Joe's occupation: civil service? finance, banking etc? medical profession? media? chemist? in the arts?
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Does Joe use drugs, then? No which he gets from Rob? No Before Bill came, was Joe buying drugs from Rob? No
Did Bill know that he was entering the home of a drug dealer? No, but he suspected something Did he want to get some himself? No Did he want to nab Joe? No Rob? No Is Bill an enforcer of the law? No
Joe's occupation: civil service? finance, banking etc? medical profession? media? chemist? in the arts? None of those
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Did Bill know Joe and Rob before going to Rob's house? Did Bill offend Joe before the visit, or during? Did Bill offend Rob before the visit, or during? Did Rob ever invite him there? Did someone else tell Bill about Rob, and suggest that he pay Rob a visit?
Did Bill have a specific purpose for going to Rob's house? Monetary gain? A friendly visit?
When Bill first entered the house, was he armed? When Joe was brandishing the axe at him, was Bill armed? After Joe died, Bill just went home? Did he and Rob talk? come to an agreement about something? Did Bill achieve what he had planned prior to entering the house?
Was Rob arrrested in the end?
Was Joe's presence in the house when Bill dropped by purely coincidental? The minute Bill stepped into the house and came into contact with Joe and Rob, did Rob decide he would shoot Joe? Did Rob shoot Joe because Joe knew something he shouldn't? Did Rob not want Joe to know that he knew Bill? Did Bill reveal information that Rob didn't want Joe to hear?
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Did Bill know Joe and Rob before going to Rob's house? He knew Rob
Did Bill offend Joe before the visit, or during? During
Did Bill offend Rob before the visit, or during? During
Did Rob ever invite him there? No
Did someone else tell Bill about Rob, and suggest that he pay Rob a visit? No
Did Bill have a specific purpose for going to Rob's house? Yes
Monetary gain? No A friendly visit? Yes
When Bill first entered the house, was he armed? Yesish
When Joe was brandishing the axe at him, was Bill armed? Yesish
After Joe died, Bill just went home? No
Did he and Rob talk? No
come to an agreement about something? No
Did Bill achieve what he had planned prior to entering the house? He just wanted to visit Rob
Was Rob arrrested in the end? Yes, but irr
Was Joe's presence in the house when Bill dropped by purely coincidental? No
The minute Bill stepped into the house and came into contact with Joe and Rob, did Rob decide he would shoot Joe? No
Did Rob shoot Joe because Joe knew something he shouldn't? No
Did Rob not want Joe to know that he knew Bill? No
Did Bill reveal information that Rob didn't want Joe to hear? No
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Was Joe's visit to Rob a friendly visit too? Or were they discussing serious matters? related to Rob's business? to Joe's occupation?
Bill's yesish weapon: was he carrying anything on him that is usually considered dangerous? eg knife? gun? or did he have something more innocent-looking, but could inflict damage? If so, did Bob intend to use this as a weapon before he came? Did Bob try to hit Joe? Rob? Did he offend them because he said something about Rob's drug business? Threatened to report him?
So Joe didn't want Bill dead until he visited Rob? And Rob didn't want Bill dead until this visit?
Rob shot Joe because Joe being alive would mean Rob might get arrrested--is this correct?
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Was Joe's visit to Rob a friendly visit too? No
Or were they discussing serious matters? No
Bill's yesish weapon: was he carrying anything on him that is usually considered dangerous? No eg knife? gun? No
or did he have something more innocent-looking, but could inflict damage? Yesish

If so, did Bob intend to use this as a weapon before he came? Bob? Who's Bob?

So Joe didn't want Bill dead until he visited Rob? Yes And Rob didn't want Bill dead until this visit? Yes
Rob shot Joe because Joe being alive would mean Rob might get arrrested--is this correct? No
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Oops sorry! I mean Bill. So, before he came into the house, did he already intend to use his object as a weapon? Did Bill try to hit Joe? Did he try to hit Rob? Did he offend them because he said something about Rob's drug business? Threatened to report him?

Rob wants Joe dead because if Joe were alive:
Rob would face physical danger?
Rob would get in trouble with his fellow drug dealers?
Rob would get in trouble with Bill?
Rob would lose money?
Some harm would come to someone Rob cares about?
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Oops sorry! I mean Bill. So, before he came into the house, did he already intend to use his object as a weapon? No
Did Bill try to hit Joe? No
Did he try to hit Rob? No
Did he offend them because he said something about Rob's drug business? Threatened to report him? No and no

Rob wants Joe dead because if Joe were alive:
Rob would face physical danger? Yes (or at least that's what Rob thinks)
Rob would get in trouble with his fellow drug dealers? No
Rob would get in trouble with Bill? No
Rob would lose money? No
Some harm would come to someone Rob cares about?No
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Rob thinks he would face physical danger because...
Joe would hurt him?
Bill would hurt him?
someone else would hurt him?

Are there any misunderstandings here? Does Rob misinterpret Joe's actions? Do Rob and Joe both want Bill dead for the same reason? Does Bill want Joe or Rob dead?
Did Bill say something offensive? threatening? did he do something offensive or threatening?
Is Joe often in Rob's house? Is he always there? Does Joe rent a room in Rob's house?
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Rob thinks he would face physical danger because...
Joe would hurt him? Yes
Bill would hurt him? No
someone else would hurt him? No

Are there any misunderstandings here? Yes
Does Rob misinterpret Joe's actions? Yes
Do Rob and Joe both want Bill dead for the same reason? Yes
Does Bill want Joe or Rob dead? No
Did Bill say something offensive? No threatening? No did he do something offensive or threatening? Except for arriving, no
Is Joe often in Rob's house? Yes Is he always there? Yes Does Joe rent a room in Rob's house?No
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are either of the three men drug users?
if yes who? rob? joe? bill?
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are either of the three men drug users? No
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Does Rob think Joe is going to use the axe to hurt him?
If Bill had just arrived, sat down, smiled at Rob and said nothing, would Joe still want him dead? Rob?
Does Joe know that Rob wants Bill dead?
Does Rob know that Joe wants Bill dead?
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Does Rob think Joe is going to use the axe to hurt him? Yes
If Bill had just arrived, sat down, smiled at Rob and said nothing, would Joe still want him dead? Yes Rob? Yes
Does Joe know that Rob wants Bill dead? Yesish
Does Rob know that Joe wants Bill dead? Yesish
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So, Bill wasn't supposed to turn up at Rob's house?
Was he not supposed to see Joe and Rob together? Was he not supposed to know where Rob's house was?
Were Joe and Rob doing anything relevant when Bill entered? something Bill was not supposed to know about?
Before Bill entered, were Rob and Joe having an argument? Was there any hostility between the two men which would make Rob think Joe wanted to kill him?
Did it seem as though Joe was waving the axe at Rob? Was he clumsy with the axe? Was he drunk? How long did Joe wield the axe for--a few seconds? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? half an hour? an hour? longer? anywhere in between?
Was Joe confused before picking up the axe? or only some time after wielding it?
Was it obvious to Bill that Joe was out to get him with the axe?
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So, Bill wasn't supposed to turn up at Rob's house? Yes
Was he not supposed to see Joe and Rob together? No Was he not supposed to know where Rob's house was? No
Were Joe and Rob doing anything relevant when Bill entered? Yes something Bill was not supposed to know about? Yes
Before Bill entered, were Rob and Joe having an argument? No Was there any hostility between the two men which would make Rob think Joe wanted to kill him? No
Did it seem as though Joe was waving the axe at Rob? No Was he clumsy with the axe? No Was he drunk? No How long did Joe wield the axe for--a few seconds? Yes
Was Joe confused before picking up the axe? No or only some time after wielding it? Yes
Was it obvious to Bill that Joe was out to get him with the axe? Yes
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So something happened while Joe was wielding the axe to make him confused, yes?
Did Rob say something? Did Bill? Did Rob do something? Did Bill?
What Joe and Rob were doing:
anything to do with drugs?
something illegal?
something dangerous? were they planning to hurt someone?
showing affection for one another?
would whatever they were doing be obvious to anyone who walked in?

Does Joe work for Rob? Does Rob work for Joe?
Is Bill just an ordinary friend of Rob's? How they met in the first place relevant?

By the way, could you please ask questions on my Poor Boy? He's feeling very lonely at the moment..:-(
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So something happened while Joe was wielding the axe to make him confused, yes? Yes
Did Rob say something? No Did Bill? Yes Did Rob do something? No Did Bill? Yes-ish
What Joe and Rob were doing:
anything to do with drugs? Yes
something illegal? Yes
something dangerous? Yope - drugs harm people
were they planning to hurt someone? Yope - drugs harm people
showing affection for one another? No
would whatever they were doing be obvious to anyone who walked in? Yes

Does Joe work for Rob? Yes Does Rob work for Joe? No
Is Bill just an ordinary friend of Rob's? Yes How they met in the first place relevant? Not really
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Were there drugs physically present when Bill entered?
They weren't using, correct?
Were they preparing it in some way? Packaging them to be sent to the buyers?
What Bill said: something to do with Rob? Something to do with the situation? something to do with Joe? with himself?
Did this statement of Bill's make Joe hesitate to kill him? And did Rob take this to mean that Joe was thinking of turning on him instead?
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Were there drugs physically present when Bill entered? Yes
They weren't using, correct? Yes, they weren't
Were they preparing it in some way? Yes Packaging them to be sent to the buyers? Yes
What Bill said: something to do with Rob? Yesish Something to do with the situation? Yes something to do with Joe? Yesish with himself? Yes
Did this statement of Bill's make Joe hesitate to kill him? Yes And did Rob take this to mean that Joe was thinking of turning on him instead? Yope
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Ok, so Joe and Rob are sitting together packing their drugs, and Bill pops by unexpectedly to say hello. Joe and Rob are horrified at him discovering this, and so Joe picks up an axe to kill him. Bill, hoping to change Joe's mind, says something to him. Joe hesitates. (Does he do anything else other than hesitate? Does he turn to look at Rob? Unconsciously still waving the axe threateningly?) Rob thinks Joe is going to kill him, so he shoots Joe.

Do we need to find out what happens after that? Are there any missing links in the above story? So now all we need to know is what Bill said, what Joe did, and why Rob thought he was in danger from Joe?

Has Rob ever wronged Joe in some way? If so, did Bill reveal Rob's deed to Joe? Did Rob think that Bill had revealed his deed to Joe?
Did Rob have a legitimate reason for believing that Joe had a good reason to kill him?
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Ok, so Joe and Rob are sitting together packing their drugs, and Bill pops by unexpectedly to say hello. Yes Joe and Rob are horrified at him discovering this, and so Joe picks up an axe to kill him. Yes Bill, hoping to change Joe's mind, says something to him. Yesish Joe hesitates. Yesish (Does he do anything else other than hesitate? No Does he turn to look at Rob? No Unconsciously still waving the axe threateningly? Yes) Rob thinks Joe is going to kill him, so he shoots Joe.Yes

Do we need to find out what happens after that? No
Are there any missing links in the above story?
So now all we need to know is what Bill said Yes, what Joe did,Yope and why Rob thought he was in danger from Joe? Yes

Has Rob ever wronged Joe in some way? No
Did Rob have a legitimate reason for believing that Joe had a good reason to kill him?Yes

Hint: Find out what was Bill's weapon - once you figure it out, almost all the pieces of the story will neatly fall into place.
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So only therefore I'm not going to ask directly about Bill's weapon...

In his moment of confused axe-wielding, does Joe (come to) believe something about Bill which isn't true?
If so, has this mistaken belief of his come about as a result of the thing Bill said?
Or as a result of the fact that Bill is carrying the particular "weapon" that he does?
Or as a result of the combination of the two above reasons?

Alternatively, in his moment of confused axe-wielding, does Joe (come to) believe something about Rob which isn't true?
If so, has this mistaken belief of his come about as a result of the thing Bill said?
Or as a result of the fact that Bill is carrying the particular "weapon" that he does?
Or as a result of the combination of the two above reasons?

Alternatively yet again, in the moment of Jim's confused axe-wielding, does Rob (come to) believe something about Bill which isn't true?
If so, has this mistaken belief of his come about as a result of the thing Bill said?
Or as a result of the fact that Bill is carrying the particular "weapon" that he does?
Or as a result of the combination of the two above reasons?

Does anybody (come to) believe that Bill is affiliated with the police, at that moment?

Does anybody (come to) believe that Bill knows something about Rob which he doesn't know?
If so, is it something about hidden drugs or money?

Does Bill suggest some kind of deal between himself and Joe?
If so, does it involve him and Joe turning on Rob in some way?
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So only therefore I'm not going to ask directly about Bill's weapon...

In his moment of confused axe-wielding, does Joe (come to) believe something about Bill which isn't true? Yope
If so, has this mistaken belief of his come about as a result of the thing Bill said? Yes
Or as a result of the fact that Bill is carrying the particular "weapon" that he does?Yes
Or as a result of the combination of the two above reasons?Yes

Alternatively, in his moment of confused axe-wielding, does Joe (come to) believe something about Rob which isn't true? No

Alternatively yet again, in the moment of Jim's confused axe-wielding, does Rob (come to) believe something about Bill which isn't true? Yope
If so, has this mistaken belief of his come about as a result of the thing Bill said? Yes
Or as a result of the fact that Bill is carrying the particular "weapon" that he does? Yes
Or as a result of the combination of the two above reasons? Yes

Does anybody (come to) believe that Bill is affiliated with the police, at that moment? No

Does anybody (come to) believe that Bill knows something about Rob which he doesn't know? No
If so, is it something about hidden drugs or money?No

Does Bill suggest some kind of deal between himself and Joe? No
If so, does it involve him and Joe turning on Rob in some way? No
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Bill's weapon: Can it cause physical harm? Or more like a sign that he can cause them harm in other ways? like a badge? membership card of a secret society?

Joe doesn't go through with the killing of Bill because he is afraid of getting hurt physically? If yes, is he afraid of getting hurt at that moment? or later on? Or is he afraid of being reported to the police? arrested? linked with Rob? Afraid of losing money? other property that he owns?
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Bill's weapon: Can it cause physical harm? Yes, but indirectly Or more like a sign that he can cause them harm in other ways? No like a badge? No membership card of a secret society? No

Joe doesn't go through with the killing of Bill because he is afraid of getting hurt physically? No Or is he afraid of being reported to the police? arrested? linked with Rob? Afraid of losing money? other property that he owns? No to all
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Indirectly: it can cause someone else to cause harm to Joe? When used in conjunction with another object, it can cause harm?
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Indirectly: it can cause someone else to cause harm to Joe? Yes When used in conjunction with another object, it can cause harm? Yope
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This someone else that can harm Joe:
Rob?
Bill's friends?
Does Bill have affiliations to any illegal groups? semi-legal? legal?
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This someone else that can harm Joe:
Rob? Yes
Bill's friends? Not really
Does Bill have affiliations to any illegal groups? semi-legal? legal?No to all
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So Bill has a "weapon" that can cause Rob to hurt Joe?
To Joe, was this proof of some kind that Rob had malevolent intentions towards him?
Has Rob done anything in the past that is relevant? Something that Bill is using to blackmail him into turning on Joe? (or so Rob thinks Joe thinks?)

I seem to be going round in circles a bit..:-(
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So Bill has a "weapon" that can cause Rob to hurt Joe? Yes
To Joe, was this proof of some kind that Rob had malevolent intentions towards him? No
Has Rob done anything in the past that is relevant? No Something that Bill is using to blackmail him into turning on Joe? (or so Rob thinks Joe thinks?) No

HINT: Bill's "weapon" isn't a "weapon" in a traditional sense.
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Hypnotizer? ;)
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Is it apparent to Joe that Bill's "weapon" is a weapon which can cause Rob to hurt him, without Bill explaining that? If not apparent, does the thing that Bill says explain this fact?

The thing that Rob and Joe come to beleive, and which is yopishly contrafactual: Is it whether Bill actually is planning to use the weapon in a way which will cause Rob to hurt Joe? Or is it something about the weapon? That it in fact cannot do this?
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Hypnotizer? ;) YES!

Is it apparent to Joe that Bill's "weapon" is a weapon which can cause Rob to hurt him, without Bill explaining that? No If not apparent, does the thing that Bill says explain this fact? No

The thing that Rob and Joe come to beleive, and which is yopishly contrafactual: Is it whether Bill actually is planning to use the weapon in a way which will cause Rob to hurt Joe? No Or is it something about the weapon? No That it in fact cannot do this? No
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Ah..so Bill hypnotises Rob? Makes Rob believe that Joe is dangerous and must be shot? And this is why Joe is confused?
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Ah..so Bill hypnotises Rob? Yes Makes Rob believe that Joe is dangerous and must be shot? Yes, but not directly; Bill didn't expect Rob to shoot Joe And this is why Joe is confused? No
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HA! My suggestion (pun not intended) about a hypnotizer was purely in spe; it wasn't my impression that this puzzle had had a Donald Duckish feeling to it so far...

Or do hypnotizer guns actually exist?

Or was it simply a pendulum? Or some other traditional hypnotist's tool?

So... Bill is spending several minutes trying to hypnotize Rob, all the while Joe is running against him with an axe? Or did he have a good chance to talk calmly with Rob before Joe came running berserk and trying to kill him?

So Bill hypnotizes Rob into believing that Joe is a bad guy? And that Bill (still) is his friend, despite this hullabahoo about him discovering the whole drug business?

If so, is there something more specific about the content of the things that Bill is (trying to) hypnotize Rob into believing? Or is the puzzle solved already?

Or does he hypnotize Joe too?
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Or do hypnotizer guns actually exist? Haha, no

Or was it simply a pendulum? No Or some other traditional hypnotist's tool? No

So... Bill is spending several minutes trying to hypnotize Rob, all the while Joe is running against him with an axe? Or did he have a good chance to talk calmly with Rob before Joe came running berserk and trying to kill him? No. He has a special power of hypnotizing people almost instantly.

So Bill hypnotizes Rob into believing that Joe is a bad guy? Yes, but not directly And that Bill (still) is his friend, despite this hullabahoo about him discovering the whole drug business? No

If so, is there something more specific about the content of the things that Bill is (trying to) hypnotize Rob into believing? Yes Or is the puzzle solved already? No. You have to guess what Bill said to Joe and Rob, and find out why exactly Rob shot Joe

Or does he hypnotize Joe too? Yes
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Yes - I know now: I came up with the answer right now before I read your answers to my latest questions.

This is what happened:

Bill hypnotized both Rob and Joe into forgetting what happened the last 30 minutes or so (i.e. Bill discovering about their drug business, and them wanting to kill him because of that). That's why Joe suddenly is very confused about why he's standing around swinging an axe. And Rob wakes up into a situation where he sees Joe swinging an axe above his good old friend Bill's head. And for some reason he has a gun in his hand too. So he acts swiftly and fires the gun at Joe. Right?
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Bill hypnotized both Rob and Joe into forgetting what happened the last 30 minutes or so (i.e. Bill discovering about their drug business, and them wanting to kill him because of that) Not exactly, but close. That's why Joe suddenly is very confused about why he's standing around swinging an axe. Yes And Rob wakes up into a situation where he sees Joe swinging an axe above his good old friend Bill's head. No And for some reason he has a gun in his hand too. So he acts swiftly and fires the gun at Joe. Right? Mostly yes

I guess I can give the answer now.
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Or does Rob believe that Joe is swinging the axe at him and not at Bill?

Has the hypnosis content something to do with forgetting things?

Or just something to do with confusion?

Does Rob remember that Bill is (or used to be) his friend?

Does Bill say something like "No! Don't kill Rob!"? or "Help! Dont kill me"?
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Or more generally: does Bill say anything relevant at all after the hypnotizing has occured?
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Or does Rob believe that Joe is swinging the axe at him and not at Bill? Yesish

Has the hypnosis content something to do with forgetting things? Yes

Or just something to do with confusion? Noish

Does Rob remember that Bill is (or used to be) his friend? Irr

Does Bill say something like "No! Don't kill Rob!"? or "Help! Dont kill me"? No

Or more generally: does Bill say anything relevant at all after the hypnotizing has occured? No
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So what is the distance Rob to Joe, approximately?

Does the hypnosis involve the suggestion that people who want to kill other people with an axe always attack with their back turned towards the victim?
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Does Bill plant false memories into Rob's head? Making him think that Joe is upset with him, and wants to kill him?
Does Bill make Rob believe that Joe is Bill and Bill is Joe?
The thing that Bill says: before the hypnosis? during?
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So what is the distance Rob to Joe, approximately? About 1 metre

Does the hypnosis involve the suggestion that people who want to kill other people with an axe always attack with their back turned towards the victim? No
Does Bill plant false memories into Rob's head? Yes Making him think that Joe is upset with him, and wants to kill him? No
Does Bill make Rob believe that Joe is Bill and Bill is Joe? No
The thing that Bill says: before the hypnosis? No during? Yes
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So Bill makes Rob "remember" that Joe is his enemy? that Joe has found out about the drug business? that Joe is going to kill Bill, and then Rob? that Bill is trying to protect Rob? that Joe knows something about Rob?

Does he plant false memories into Joe's head as well, or does he just make him forget?
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So Bill makes Rob "remember" that Joe is his enemy? that Joe has found out about the drug business? that Joe is going to kill Bill, and then Rob? that Bill is trying to protect Rob? that Joe knows something about Rob? None of those

Does Bill plant false memories into Rob's head? Actually, he just makes him forget

Does he plant false memories into Joe's head as well, or does he just make him forget? He makes him forget
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Oh, ok. So both Joe and Rob suddenly have no idea what is going on, and to Joe, he is swinging an axe for no reason, yes?
Does Rob see that Joe is swinging the axe at Bill? Does Joe turn to look at him at all? Is Joe's back facing him? To an objective onlooker, would it look as though Joe was swinging the axe at Rob or at Bill? Does Rob see anything else that would make him think Joe was trying to kill him with the axe?
After Rob and Joe forget, no one says anything, correct?
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Oh, ok. So both Joe and Rob suddenly have no idea what is going on, and to Joe, he is swinging an axe for no reason, yes? Yes
Does Rob see that Joe is swinging the axe at Bill? No Does Joe turn to look at him at all? No Is Joe's back facing him? Yes To an objective onlooker, would it look as though Joe was swinging the axe at Rob No or at Bill? Yes Does Rob see anything else that would make him think Joe was trying to kill him with the axe? No, but explore
After Rob and Joe forget, no one says anything, correct? Yes
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Rob and Joe are standing quite close together, correct? Does Joe accidentally hit Rob with the axe as he's swinging it? Does the axe come a little too near Rob, and in his disoriented state, he fires the gun in panic?
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Rob and Joe are standing quite close together, correct? No Does Joe accidentally hit Rob with the axe as he's swinging it? No Does the axe come a little too near Rob, and in his disoriented state, he fires the gun in panic? Yes

I guess evetyhing's set, except for one thing: what did Bill suggest to Joe and Rob?
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He suggested something? Before the hypnosis? During?
Was it something about the identity of Joe? of Bill? of Rob?
Something about the actions of Joe? of Bill? of Rob?
Something about the intentions of Joe? of Bill? of Rob?
Something about the house?
Something regarding their history? Bill's past? Joe's? Rob's?
Something about the relationship between Rob and Joe? Bill and Joe? Bill and Rob?
Anything to do with the drugs all over the floor? Or do they (Joe and Rob) simply not notice them?
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He suggested something? Before the hypnosis? During? That's what I meant
Was it something about the identity of Joe? of Bill? of Rob? Noy at all
Something about the actions of Joe? No of Bill? Noish of Rob? No
Something about the intentions of Joe? No of Bill? Noish of Rob? No
Something about the house? No
Something regarding their history? Bill's past? No...ish Joe's? NoRob's?No
Something about the relationship between Rob and Joe? No Bill and Joe? No...ish Bill and Rob?No...ish
Anything to do with the drugs all over the floor? No Or do they (Joe and Rob) simply not notice them? no
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Okay, this had been sitting still too long. I'm posting the answer tomorrow if nothing happens.
Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
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Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 8:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***SPOILER***

Bill, a skilled hypnotist, came over to his old friend Rob's house to make a surprise visit. But then he saw Rob as he was packing drugs to send to the customers. When Rob saw Bill, he panicked and sent his bodyguard Joe to Kill Bill.
Bill quickly hypnotized the two, suggesting them that he isn't in the room and he never was. Joe then found himself standing in the middle of the room, swinging an axe, for no apparent reason. Rob panicked and though that Joe has gone insane, so he quickly shot Joe. (Bill has made his escape).
Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 6:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


quote:

To an objective onlooker, would it look as though Joe was swinging the axe at Rob No or at Bill? Yes




But how could it seem that he was swinging the axe at Bill, if Bill was no longer there?
Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 6:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bill escaped later.

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