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Katy (Katy)
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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 3:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's a common enough warning, but in this case could lead to the loss of a lot of money.
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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 4:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Katy.

Common written warning? Legal disclaimer? Traffic sign? Verbal warning? Product usage warning?

Is the person (or entity) doing (or not doing) the warning the potential loser of money?

Would the loss of money be due to the warning having been given? Having not been given?
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Hi!
Common written warning? Yes Legal disclaimer? Traffic sign? Verbal warning? No to all Product usage warning? Noish, but OTRT

Is the person (or entity) doing (or not doing) the warning the potential loser of money? No

Would the loss of money be due to the warning having been given? Good question. If the warning is literally true then the loss of money may happen anyway, despite the warning. However, being aware of the warning would make it less likely Having not been given?
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Is it a warning written on a sign?

Does the warning say something about an area? If so, is it part of a work place? A bank? A toilet?

Does it have to do with hygiene? with personal physical safety? or with some other kind of risk? Does it have to do with a risk of some object getting damaged? (which would mean a loss of money)

So there is one meaning of the warning which is literal, and one which is not and which happens to be true in this case?

Or is it just that normally the risk of the thing that is warned about becoming true is quite small, but this time the risk happens to be very large, and for some other reason than normally expected. (but that the meaning of the warning itself is the same one)?

I.e. For example: "Warning: keep your luggage in view." But this time the particular luggage happens to be a very rare and precious unfettered albino elephant, which might run away if unwatched (without anyone stealing it).

Does the warning in itself mention something more or less directly related to money?
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Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 11:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a warning written on a sign? No

Does the warning say something about an area? If so, is it part of a work place? A bank? A toilet?
No to all

Does it have to do with hygiene? with personal physical safety? or with some other kind of risk?
No to all
Does it have to do with a risk of some object getting damaged? (which would mean a loss of money) No, but almost OTRT

So there is one meaning of the warning which is literal, and one which is not and which happens to be true in this case? I've got myself in a bit of a pickle! This is a warning /notification that is very common in certain situations, and
in those situations, the fact that it is true doesn't really matter. In this specific situation, the thought that it might be true in the same way is ridiculous - if it were it could potentially lead to a loss of money. Reading between the lines, this warning/notification must mean something slightly different in this situation. Hope this helps

Or is it just that normally the risk of the thing that is warned about becoming true is quite small No, it's usually the case I would think, but this time the risk happens to be very large, and for some other reason than normally expected. (but that the meaning of the warning itself is the same one)? The exact wording of the warning is the same. I assume its meaning is slightly different - if not, it's ridiculous!

I.e. For example: "Warning: keep your luggage in view." But this time the particular luggage happens to be a very rare and precious unfettered albino elephant, which might run away if unwatched (without anyone stealing it).
I see what you mean, but no. The white elephant is a red herring :-)
Does the warning in itself mention something more or less directly related to money? No
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So the warning comes in the form of language / words?
Written or spoken?
In a letter?
On a sign?
On TV / Radio / Internet?
A web based warning?
Anything to do with malicious programs?

Is the warning dound in a new context?
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Does the loss of money result from fewer of the products being sold?
Is the warning something like "Do not purchase if package is torn/opened"? "Do not use after date printed above"?
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Is the warning printed on something?
Does it refer to the use of something (ex: do not use this hair dryer while taking a bath)?
Does it refer to the contents of something (ex: this peanut butter may contain peanuts)?
Does it refer to a possible consequence of the use or misuse of a product (ex: do not try to use this inflatable Mickey Mouse doll as a life preserver)?

Would the potential loss of money come from:
a lawsuit?
payout for covering medical expenses?
payout for repairs to something?
payout for environmental cleanup?
compensation for loss of work/employment?
coverage for loss of life?
simply a case of "hey, I paid for this thing that I really don't want, but now I'm stuck with it"?
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Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 11:17 pm:

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So the warning comes in the form of language / words? Yes
Written or spoken? Written
In a letter? No
On a sign? No
On TV / Radio / Internet? No
A web based warning? No
Anything to do with malicious programs? No

Is the warning dound in a new context? Not sure what you mean? It's usually on other objects, where it makes a lot more sense
Hipsterzbeware (Hipsterzbeware)
Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 11:17 pm:

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Does the loss of money result from fewer of the products being sold? No - good question
Is the warning something like "Do not purchase if package is torn/opened"? "Do not use after date printed above"? It's none of these, although you are getting OTRT
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 3:59 pm:

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Is the warning printed on something? Yes
Does it refer to the use of something (ex: do not use this hair dryer while taking a bath)? No and given that question, 'warning' is maybe too strong a word for this situation
Does it refer to the contents of something (ex: this peanut butter may contain peanuts)? YES!!
Does it refer to a possible consequence of the use or misuse of a product (ex: do not try to use this inflatable Mickey Mouse doll as a life preserver)? <b>No<?b>

Would the potential loss of money come from:
a lawsuit?
payout for covering medical expenses?
payout for repairs to something?
payout for environmental cleanup?
compensation for loss of work/employment?
coverage for loss of life?
simply a case of "hey, I paid for this thing that I really don't want, but now I'm stuck with it"?
None of these, but keep going - that will be a big help
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Is the warning printed on a consumer product? Food? Tobacco? Alcohol? Appliance? Electronics?

Would the loss of money be due to extra costs from regulations or taxes?
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Vanburace (Vanburace) Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 7:20 pm:

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Is the warning printed on a consumer product? Yes Food? Tobacco? Alcohol? Appliance? Electronics? No to all of these, but one applies for the more common situations I mentioned on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 11:31 am

Would the loss of money be due to extra costs from regulations or taxes? No
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And welcome Vanburace! I've just noticed from Nimue's puzzle that you say you're new
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Toys?
Cleansing items?
Medicines?
Dietery suppliments?
Large sized item?
small sized item?
Furniture?
Bed and Bath?
Toiletaries - shampoo/soap/conditioner?
Fashion related?
Ladies fashion?
Mens fashion?
Perfumes?
Make-up items?
shoes?
clothing?
packing material?
hardware related?

Can it cause damage? harm? to the user?
nature of the damage/harm fatal? non-fatal?

Is the warning mandatory?
Is it avoidable?
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Toys? This is closest, but beware FA
Cleansing items?
Medicines?
Dietery suppliments?
Large sized item?
small sized item? Yes
Furniture?
Bed and Bath?
Toiletaries - shampoo/soap/conditioner?
Fashion related?
Ladies fashion?
Mens fashion?
Perfumes?
Make-up items?
shoes?
clothing?
packing material?
hardware related? No to all rest

Can it cause damage? harm? to the user? No - well I'm sure an LP has been written that will prove me wrong, but not directly
nature of the damage/harm fatal? non-fatal?

Is the warning mandatory?
Is it avoidable?
Difficult to answer these, as it's not a "Do this/don't do this" type of warning. Notification may have been a better word
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Is it more in the nature of "use of this product in a way inconsistent with its intended purpose may result in injury, death, mayhem, the release of toxic fumes, the maiming of small, fluffy animals or property damage?" Or "Wear protective goggles when using this machine?"

Is the thingie typically used in a way which is other than that for which it is intended/marketed?
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Is it like the warning on q-tips telling you not to stick them in the ear canal? If everyone actually heeded this, the company would probably go bankrupt.....

or balloons, "keep away from mouth"?
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Bodo (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 4:50 pm:

Is it more in the nature of "use of this product in a way inconsistent with its intended purpose may result in injury, death, mayhem, the release of toxic fumes, the maiming of small, fluffy animals or property damage?" Or "Wear protective goggles when using this machine?" No, nothing like this - it says nothing about the use

Is the thingie typically used in a way which is other than that for which it is intended/marketed? No, it's usually used in the normal way

Lzeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 4:59 pm:
Is it like the warning on q-tips telling you not to stick them in the ear canal? No If everyone actually heeded this, the company would probably go bankrupt..... Good point though :-)

or balloons, "keep away from mouth"? No, remember it says nothing about the actual use of the product
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is it something about the materials the product is made of?
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is it something about the materials the product is made of?
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How did you manage to double-post in half an hour apart??
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hmm...how about that. I have no idea how that could have happened.
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is it something about the materials the product is made of? No, but more OTRT
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Is the product sold in an unpackaged form (like a baseball bat or a frisbee)?
Or is it sold in packaged form (like a Star Wars figure or Barbie doll)?
Is this 'notification' one that, in your opinion as the formulator of this puzzle, really should be posted in a different manner? different location?

I have an idea for some other questions, but I'll wait to see how you answer these...
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Is it a warning about the manufacturing process used in making the product? Like how some snacks warn that they're made in a facility that processes peanuts?
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Who use this toy
ADULT males?
ADULT females?
girls?
boys?
new-borns?

is it a toy for humans?
is it a toy for animals?
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Is the product sold in an unpackaged form (like a baseball bat or a frisbee)?
Or is it sold in packaged form (like a Star Wars figure or Barbie doll)? This - always!
Is this 'notification' one that, in your opinion as the formulator of this puzzle, really should be posted in a different manner? Yes, depending on what was meant by the notification, which I'm still not 100% sure different location? No

I have an idea for some other questions, but I'll wait to see how you answer these... More questions, good!!

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Is it a warning about the manufacturing process used in making the product? Yope, aspects of the manufacturing process are implied Like how some snacks warn that they're made in a facility that processes peanuts? But nothing like this

Yovax (Yovax)
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Who use this toy
ADULT males?
ADULT females?
girls?
boys? adults and children over about 5 I would think
new-borns? Definitely not - maybe worth exploring why not

is it a toy for humans? This
is it a toy for animals? No
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About the toy
Soft toy?
Dolls?
toy with many pieces (like Lego trucks cars word puzzles, boggle, scrabble)?
Video games?
Sports (tennis/base ball/etc) related toys?
Big sized toys?
small sized toys?


Is the warning regarding
choking?
not to swallow?
not to inhale?
hot to put it in the mouth?
the toy material may cause suffocation?
the toy material maybe harmful to the skin (rashes etc)?
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Is it a ball labeled "may have sharp edges"?
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Posted on Saturday, October 28, 2006 - 9:26 am:
About the toy PLease bear in mind the response to 'toy?' was 'This is closest'
Soft toy?
Dolls? No to these
toy with many pieces Yes!!!! (like Lego trucks cars word puzzles, boggle, scrabble) But not these?
Video games? No
Sports (tennis/base ball/etc) related toys? No
Big sized toys?
small sized toys? Yes


Is the warning regarding
choking?
not to swallow?
not to inhale?
hot to put it in the mouth? No, the warning doesn't give any instructions
the toy material may cause suffocation?
the toy material maybe harmful to the skin (rashes etc)? No to these

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Is it a ball labeled "may have sharp edges"?
No
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Jigsaw?
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Jigsaw? No
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Is the item a puzzle? (we've asked about "jigsaw" and "word puzzle", but not a puzzle as far as I can tell)
Something packaged in a box? a bag? something else?
Is the main items composed of metal? plastic? rubber? other materials?
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Is the item a puzzle? (we've asked about "jigsaw" and "word puzzle", but not a puzzle as far as I can tell) No, game or toy is closer than puzzle
Something packaged in a box? This a bag? something else?
Is the main items composed of metal? plastic? rubber? other materials? This (mainly one other material) - explore
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Glass? Wood? Paper? Card?
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Might it be more accurate to call the items "game accessories" (like dice, poker chips, or fake money)?

Expanding on Martinfg's question, is it a deck of cards?
Standard playing cards?
A tarot deck?
A specialized fixed-deck game like Uno?
A collectible card game?
Non-game cards, like baseball cards?
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Martinfg (Martinfg)
Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 8:14 am:
Glass? Wood? Paper? Card? This

Vanburace (Vanburace)
Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 12:54 pm:
Might it be more accurate to call the items "game accessories" (like dice, poker chips, or fake money)? Not really

Expanding on Martinfg's question, is it a deck of cards? YES!
Standard playing cards? Yes
A tarot deck?
A specialized fixed-deck game like Uno?
A collectible card game?
Non-game cards, like baseball cards?
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Does the warning concern the sharpness of the cards?
Something to do with the printing? The finishing?
Are these cards manufactured by machine?

Is this a specific type of playing cards? Like the "Iraqi Most Wanted" playing cards? Or "substance abuse education" cards?
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The money that may potentially be lost...lost by the manufacturer of the cards? by players betting on games using the cards? poker?
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Does the warning concern the sharpness of the cards? No
Something to do with the printing? The finishing?
In realisty, probably this - but the implied meaning, no
Are these cards manufactured by machine?
Yes
Is this a specific type of playing cards? Like the "Iraqi Most Wanted" playing cards? Or "substance abuse education" cards?
No

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The money that may potentially be lost...lost by the manufacturer of the cards? by players betting on games using the cards? This poker? Well this is what I had in mind, but any card betting game really
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Are these cards prone to "marking" easily, or somehow identifying certain cards without seeing the card face (so that if someone were holding a hand of the cards, another person sitting nearby could tell if they had a certain pre-marked card in their hand)?
Do the cards bend easily? fold easily? scratch easily? tear easily? do the cards resist any of these actions?
Does the warning concern any of these issues?
Could it be something as simple as "do not bend"?
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Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 8:25 pm:

Are these cards prone to "marking" easily No, or somehow identifying certain cards without seeing the card face (so that if someone were holding a hand of the cards, another person sitting nearby could tell if they had a certain pre-marked card in their hand) No?
Do the cards bend easily? fold easily? scratch easily? tear easily? do the cards resist any of these actions? No to all
Does the warning concern any of these issues? No
Could it be something as simple as "do not bend"?
No, remember it doesn't give an instruction
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HINT: Try to find out the other object(s) on which this warning makes perfect sense - that might help to find the warning
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Ok, would the warning normally be found on food?
Beverage?
Cleaning supplies?

Or an object made of cloth?
Leather?
Wood?
Paper?
Metal?
Rubber?
Plastic?

Would the other object(s) be classified as toys? Games? Other recreational?
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Vanburace (Vanburace)
Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 2:13 pm:
Ok, would the warning normally be found on food?
Yes, or at least that's what I thought of when I saw it
Beverage?
Cleaning supplies?

Or an object made of cloth?
Leather?
Wood?
Paper?
Metal?
Rubber?
Plastic?
Any of the others are possible in the right circumstances, but a type of food was the particular example I had in mind

Would the other object(s) be classified as toys? Games? Other recreational?
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So, does the type of food this would normally be found on matter?
If so, would this warning normally be found on fresh food?
Meat?
Fruit?
Vegetables?
Baked goods?

How about packaged goods?
Snack cakes?
Candy?
Chips (potato, corn, etc.)?
Frozen foods?
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Vanburace (Vanburace)
Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 7:01 pm:
So, does the type of food this would normally be found on matter? It more likely to be found on some, although I couldn't rule out any
If so, would this warning normally be found on fresh food?
Meat?
Fruit?
Vegetables?
Baked goods?

How about packaged goods?
Snack cakes?
Candy? Yes, what I had in mind was a box of chocolates or a box or bag of biscuits
Chips (potato, corn, etc.)?
Frozen foods?
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Are we talking about a best before date?
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Are we talking about a best before date? no
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Is the warning that "during manufacture these items may have come into contact with peanuts"?
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Martinfg (Martinfg)
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 2:06 pm:
Is the warning that "during manufacture these items may have come into contact with peanuts"?
No
HINT: What would cause you to lose money when playing cards?
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Gambling relevant?
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Can one see the faces of the cards through their backs? At all times? When there is a bright light behind them? If the get a little wet?
Are the faces printed on both sides?
Is the number of each card off from a regular 52-card deck (for example, they might accidentally put in three Jacks of Hearts and leave out the Four and Ace of Diamonds)?
Are the faces irregular (so that one corner might read Ten of Clubs, but the rest of the card is the Five of Clubs)?
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Does the warning say "average contents 52"?
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choking hazard relevant (for people who may want to conceal cards in their mouth to cheat)?
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Or...how about age relevance?
Some foods/products come with warnings about appropriate ages (for ages 3 and up, for example), and the cards may come with a similar note which wouldn't apply to people who are too young to legally gamble...this is a stretch, but had to ask.
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How about something along the lines of "Actual contents may vary"?
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Martinfg (Martinfg)
Posted on Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 6:48 pm:
Gambling relevant? Yes
Vanburace (Vanburace)
Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 1:39 pm:

Can one see the faces of the cards through their backs? At all times? When there is a bright light behind them? If the get a little wet?
Are the faces printed on both sides? No
Is the number of each card off from a regular 52-card deck (for example, they might accidentally put in three Jacks of Hearts and leave out the Four and Ace of Diamonds)? This is pretty much it....
Are the faces irregular (so that one corner might read Ten of Clubs, but the rest of the card is the Five of Clubs)?
Martinfg (Martinfg)
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 8:49 am:
Does the warning say "average contents 52"? Also very close
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 4:40 pm:
choking hazard relevant (for people who may want to conceal cards in their mouth to cheat)?
Or...how about age relevance?
Some foods/products come with warnings about appropriate ages (for ages 3 and up, for example), and the cards may come with a similar note which wouldn't apply to people who are too young to legally gamble...this is a stretch, but had to ask. No to these, sorry
Martinfg (Martinfg)
Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 5:10 pm:
How about something along the lines of "Actual contents may vary"?
Exactly that!

********** SPOILER *************
Recently, while playing poker, I noticed the box from the deck we were playing in said "exact contents may vary"! I assume it meant the pictures on the backs of the cards, although to me it sounds as though there may be 2 Jack of hearts and only one ace of spades!


Thanks for playing everyone, and well done to Martinfg
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I imagine that culd ruin anyones trip to Vegas!
Excellent puzzle thanks.

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