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Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There us a certain rule of conduct which is never (or almost never) broken by anyone, even those who could profit from breaking it & who fear no punishment if they break it. What is it?
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rule or law of gravity?
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Can this rule be broken easily?
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can someone break this rule secretly? would anyone else know? might breaking the rule lead to public censure? embarrassment for the breaker?

does the rule concern interaction between people? interaction between a person and an inanimate object?

does the rule relate to speech? making a noise? music?
does it relate to money? buying/selling? borrowing/lending?
des the rule relate to someone's opinions about something? are politics involved? entertainment? education? law enforcement? animals? children? meals? bodily functions? transportation? patriotism? health? language spoken? race? gender?

could anyone break this rule? just adults? only a subset of the population?

those who might benefit - could be anyone? would it have to be someone who was prepared to break laws?

would breaking the rule cause offence? would it lead to loss of money for someone? could it lead to physical harm for someone?

would people not break it because the risks of receiving some sort of disbenefit would outweigh the risks of a benefit?
would most people not break it because they are too polite? too scared of censure? too kind? worried they might get caught?

do people know that it can be broken?

is it easy to see what the benefit from breaking it is?

relevant where someone might break it? indoors? outdoors? in a town? country?

does this work for any country? any developed country?

if one broke this rule would that be a once-only thing for them? could they do it more than once? many times? continually?

time taken to break the rule - seconds? minutes? hours? days?

are children taught about this rule? do they learn it by observation? is it ever stated openly?

is it one of those rules that help people live together in relative harmony? that allows trade?

has this rule been around for more than a thousand yrs? more than a hundred? more than 10?
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Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 12:43 am:
rule or law of gravity? no
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Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 9:33 am:
Can this rule be broken easily? yes
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Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 1:35 pm:
can someone break this rule secretly? yes would anyone else know? possibly might breaking the rule lead to public censure? yes embarrassment for the breaker? yes

does the rule concern interaction between people? yes interaction between a person and an inanimate object? no

does the rule relate to speech? yes making a noise? see previous answer music? no
does it relate to money? no buying/selling? no borrowing/lending? no
des the rule relate to someone's opinions about something? yope are politics involved? no entertainment? no education? no law enforcement? no animals? no children? no more than adults meals? no bodily functions? no transportation? no patriotism? no health? no language spoken? no race? no gender? no

could anyone break this rule? no just adults? yes only a subset of the population? yes

those who might benefit - could be anyone? yes would it have to be someone who was prepared to break laws? no

would breaking the rule cause offence? yes would it lead to loss of money for someone?{possibly} could it lead to physical harm for someone?possibly

would people not break it because the risks of receiving some sort of disbenefit would outweigh the risks of a benefit? sometomes but not always
would most people not break it because they are too polite? no too scared of censure? a reaspn for some too kind? ditto worried they might get caught? ditto

do people know that it can be broken? yes

is it easy to see what the benefit from breaking it is? yes

relevant where someone might break it? no indoors? outdoors? in a town? country? any of these

does this work for any country?yes any developed country?

if one broke this rule would that be a once-only thing for them? not necessarily could they do it more than once? yes many times? yes continually? yes

time taken to break the rule - seconds? minutes? hours? days? seconds or minutes

are children taught about this rule?yesish do they learn it by observation? no is it ever stated openly? yes

is it one of those rules that help people live together in relative harmony? yope that allows trade? no

has this rule been around for more than a thousand yrs? yes more than a hundred? more than 10?
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so the rule relates to speech? to conversations? does it apply only when One human adult speaks to another?
is the rule kept by the speaker? the listener? both?
could the rule be broken without speech? does the rule concern whether someone speaks or not? to whom they speak? when they speak? what they say?
could a person using only sign language keep the rule? break the rule? could a person break the rule if he/she were speaking to someone who didn't understand the speaker's language? is it necessary for someone to hear something for the rule to be kept? or broken?

is a specific word involved? a specific phrase? a question? a statement? an order? a request?

is it asking someone to do something? asking them to stop doing something? noticing that someone has done something? making fun of soemone? pointing out an error? or a fault?

does the rule operate in a wide range of types of different human interactions? in quite specific circumstances?

the reason children do not learn by observation - is this because the rule does not get broken so they do not see it happen?

has the rule been around as long as people have been able to communicate? is the rule as strong now as it was 100 years ago?

does the rule apply to written interactions between humans? to internet interactions?

would the rule apply between an adult and a child? between a child and a child?

does the rule differ if the genders of the people interacting differ? is it the same for man-man? as for woamn - man? and for woman-woman interactions?
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Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 7:34 pm:
so the rule relates to speech? yes to conversations? yes does it apply only when One human adult speaks to another? no
is the rule kept by the speaker? no the listener?, yes both? no
could the rule be broken without speech? yes does the rule concern whether someone speaks or not? yope to whom they speak? yes when they speak? noish what they say? yes
could a person using only sign language keep the rule? yes break the rule? yes could a person break the rule if he/she were speaking to someone who didn't understand the speaker's language? yope is it necessary for someone to hear something for the rule to be kept?well, sign language would be ok or broken? ditto

is a specific word involved? yope a specific phrase? yope a question? possibly a statement? yes an order? possibvly a request? possibly

is it asking someone to do something? asking them to stop doing something? noticing that someone has done something? making fun of soemone? pointing out an error?possib or a fault? could be any of these

does the rule operate in a wide range of types of different human interactions? no in quite specific circumstances? yes

the reason children do not learn by observation - is this because the rule does not get broken so they do not see it happen? no

has the rule been around as long as people have been able to communicate? no is the rule as strong now as it was 100 years ago? yes

does the rule apply to written interactions between humans? possibly but that would be unusual to internet interactions? I'm unsure

would the rule apply between an adult and a child? possibly between a child and a child? no

does the rule differ if the genders of the people interacting differ? see next answers is it the same for man-man? yes as for woamn - man? yes and for woman-woman interactions? no
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does thr rule relate to the physical appearance of the speaker? the listener? does it relate to weight? age?

is lying involved? is body language relevant? laughing?

the specific circumstances in which it applies - is the relative status of the speaker relevant? does this apply in boss/worker interactions? in interactions with a customer or client? in romantic interactions? in family interactions?

is being silent relevant? not answering a question? agreeing with the speaker? not disagreeing? deferring to another's opinion?

just to clarify the gender question above:
does this rule apply when women speak to women? is it necessary for one part of the interaction to be male?

am I right in saying that the listener keeps the rule? if so - could he keep the rule by not speaking? is it necessary that the listener is male?
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hum...
asking "are you slepping?"
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sleeping ^^
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Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 9:06 pm:
does thr rule relate to the physical appearance of the speaker?no the listener? no does it relate to weight? no age? no

is lying involved? no is body language relevant? nolaughing? no

the specific circumstances in which it applies - is the relative status of the speaker relevant? yes does this apply in boss/worker interactions? no in interactions with a customer or client? no in romantic interactions? noin family interactions? no

is being silent relevant? yesish not answering a question? possibly agreeing with the speaker? no not disagreeing? no deferring to another's opinion? yesish

just to clarify the gender question above:
does this rule apply when women speak to women? no is it necessary for one part of the interaction to be male? yes

am I right in saying that the listener keeps the rule? yes if so - could he keep the rule by not speaking? yes is it necessary that the listener is male? yes
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so does the rule concern the way a man reacts to something someone else says?

is the listening man of higher status than the speaker? lower? similar? is this an important point?

does keeping the rule include not expressing his own opinion?

the situation in which this rule is kept - is it in a one to one situation? where there is one speaker but more than one listener? where there is more than one speaker but one listener?

does this interaction occur whilst the listener is working? does his role cause the rule to come into effect?

should we be finding out the job of the potential rule breaker?

would this occur between strangers? co-workers?

if offense would be caused would it be to the speaker? to other listeners?

if the listener broke the rule would he seem to be showing himself to be vain? racist? stupid? greedy? slothful? jealous? immature? cowardly? ugly? unpleasant? sneaky? domineering? cruel? a lawbreaker? politically extreme?
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Does the rule have anything to do with chivalry?
Is it summed up with the phrase "Ladies first"? "Women and children first"?
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Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 9:51 pm:
so does the rule concern the way a man reacts to something someone else says? yes

is the listening man of higher status than the speaker? yes lower? similar? is this an important point? yes

does keeping the rule include not expressing his own opinion? no

the situation in which this rule is kept - is it in a one to one situation?yes where there is one speaker but more than one listener? no where there is more than one speaker but one listener? no

does this interaction occur whilst the listener is working? yes does his role cause the rule to come into effect? yes

should we be finding out the job of the potential rule breaker? yes

would this occur between strangers? possibly co-workers? ditto

if offense would be caused would it be to the speaker? yes to other listeners?n/a

if the listener broke the rule would he seem to be showing himself to be vain?possibly racist?unlikely stupid? possibly greedy? unlikely slothful? unlikely jealous? unlikely immature? possibly cowardly? possibly ugly? no unpleasant? yes sneaky? yes domineering? possibly cruel? ditto a lawbreaker? yesish politically extreme? no
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Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 2:43 am:
Does the rule have anything to do with chivalry? no
Is it summed up with the phrase "Ladies first"? no "Women and children first"? no. Such rules are often broken & should be, I don't expect men to put me first, & I certainly wouldn't put children ahead of myself or other adults
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Does the man have a prestigious job (like president, company owner, etc)? Or could any man in higher position break this rule?

Could he only break the rule at the workplace? On the street? At home?

Would it be more unacceptable for him to break the rule when listening to a woman? man? same?

Could the rule be broken when the speaker says specific things? One specific thing?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 9:07 pm:
Does the man have a prestigious job (like president, company owner, etc)? fairly prestigious Or could any man in higher position break this rule? no

Could he only break the rule at the workplace? On the street? At home? he can break it in any of these places

Would it be more unacceptable for him to break the rule when listening to a woman? no man? no same yes

Could the rule be broken when the speaker says specific things? see next answer One specific thing? yes
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is this rule something only a man could break because only a man could be in this particular role? can a woman be in the same role?

is the basis of this rule that a person in this higher status should not take advantage of that status to offend someone who can't defend themselves because of their lower status?

the job/role of the potential rule breaker - in retail? education? law enforcement? healthcare? religion? entertainment? armed forces? art? law? an office job? an outside job? politics?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 9:47 pm:
is this rule something only a man could break because only a man could be in this particular role? yes can a woman be in the same role? no

is the basis of this rule that a person in this higher status should not take advantage of that status to offend someone who can't defend themselves because of their lower status? no

the job/role of the potential rule breaker - in retail? no education? no law enforcement? no healthcare? noreligion? yes entertainment? noarmed forces? no art? no law? no an office job? noish an outside job? no politics? no
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is the listener a Roman Catholic priest? in the confessional?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 10:04 pm:
is the listener a Roman Catholic priest? yes in the confessional? yes

****SPOILER ***************
I realized this would probably be too easy, but it was such an interesting factoid I couldn't resist incorporating it into a puzzle. Some sources claim that there has never been a documented case of an R.C. priest breaking the seal of the confessional, & that even ex-priests, who have left the Church, turned against it & detest it, do not reveal what they heard in the confessional. Even if "never" is an exaggeration, such violations seem to be incredibly rare. I've never heard of one; have you?? Anyway, please check out my much harder new puzzle at the bottom of the page

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