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Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
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Inspired by one of Nimue's, but this is a completely different puzzle, don't worry!

Nick announced, very happily, that he was a plagiarist. Why?
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He announced generally / to everyone?
Is there a relevant person (or people) who he tells this?

Is he a plagiarist?
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He announced generally / to everyone? To everyone present, yes.
Is there a relevant person (or people) who he tells this? Yesish

Is he a plagiarist? Yes
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Would there have been negative consequences if he had not been a plagiarist?

Is the person or persons he has plagiarized present?
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Would there have been negative consequences if he had not been a plagiarist? Noish

Is the person or persons he has plagiarized present? No
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Would the thing that has been plagiarized indicate that the original creator had engaged in an immoral or illegal act?
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Would the thing that has been plagiarized indicate that the original creator had engaged in an immoral or illegal act? No
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Did the thing he plagiarized contain an error?
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The plagiarized thing: a painting? A text?
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Images? Music? Software? Patents? Ideas?
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Would he have been even happier to announce that he was NOT a plagiarist (i.e. that he was the creator of the thing)?
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Tom:
Did the thing he plagiarized contain an error? No

Alizon:
The plagiarized thing: a painting? No A text? Yes

Vlad:
Images? Music? Software? Patents? Ideas? Yopeish to this, no to rest

Tom:
Would he have been even happier to announce that he was NOT a plagiarist (i.e. that he was the creator of the thing)? No
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Did his plagiarism indicate a degree of skill on his part?

Was his plagiarism illegal?

Will he make money because of his plagiarism? ;)

(I think I might have figured this one out)
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Did his plagiarism indicate a degree of skill on his part? Noish to yope

Was his plagiarism illegal? Not exactly..

Will he make money because of his plagiarism? ;) No

(I think I might have figured this one out) I think not :-)
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Ah, d*mn - I thought he might be a counterfeiter... :-(

Okay, did his plagiarism require more skill than the original creation?
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Ah, d*mn - I thought he might be a counterfeiter... Hehe, that's a good idea actually. But he would hardly want to announce it, would he? :-)

Okay, did his plagiarism require more skill than the original creation? No
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Did Nick actually copied somebody? Or is he lying?
Did Nick gain something out of his plagiarism?
Text that he copied - a book? a speech? an office document?
Relevant what kind of trade (job) he is involved in?
The audience to whom he addressed - his coworkers? general audience? his relatives? his friends? Relevant if we find this out?
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Did Nick actually copied somebody? Yes Or is he lying? No
Did Nick gain something out of his plagiarism? Yesish
Text that he copied - a book? a speech? an office document? No to all
Relevant what kind of trade (job) he is involved in? Yes
The audience to whom he addressed - his coworkers? No general audience? Yesish his relatives? No his friends? Yes Relevant if we find this out? Yes
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Gain out of plagiarism - General Popularity? Saved from doing something bad or criminal? Monetary gains? Made an impression on somebody?

His job - Politics? Writer? Painter? Musician? Office worker? Law enforcer eg. police et al? Bank? Scientist? Teacher? Student?
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Gain out of plagiarism - General Popularity? Noish to yope Saved from doing something bad or criminal? No Monetary gains? No Made an impression on somebody? Yesish

His job - Politics? Writer? Painter? Musician? Office worker? Law enforcer eg. police et al? Bank? Scientist? Teacher? Student? This
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Did he copy in exam and was boasting to his friends?
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Did he copy in exam and was boasting to his friends? No
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Was he happy because he now had a copy of the original? (e.g. a DVD - although I'm not implying it was a DVD)

Or because he'd demonstrated his ability to copy something (e.g. the Mona Lisa - as above)
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Was he happy because he now had a copy of the original? No (e.g. a DVD - although I'm not implying it was a DVD)

Or because he'd demonstrated his ability to copy something (e.g. the Mona Lisa - as above) No
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Did he tell them he got away with it? Was he telling the truth?
Is he trying to miscredit a teacher? the school? the education system?
Is he trying to gain confidence by saying this?
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Did he tell them he got away with it? Not exactly Was he telling the truth? Yes
Is he trying to miscredit a teacher? Yes the school? the education system? No to rest
Is he trying to gain confidence by saying this? Noish
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Is his work homework? A project? An essay?

Did he plagiarize a well-known work? One of the teacher's works?
Was the teacher suppose to know the work very well? But was proven different?
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Is his work homework? Yes A project? Not really An essay? No

Did he plagiarize a well-known work? Not very One of the teacher's works? No
Was the teacher suppose to know the work very well? Noish But was proven different?
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Was the teacher in on it? Is the teacher neglectful?
Does he have special privileges with that teacher? Have they got a special relation?
Is he offering to help the other students plagiarize?
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Was the teacher in on it? No Is the teacher neglectful? Neglectful in what way?
Does he have special privileges with that teacher? No Have they got a special relation? Noish
Is he offering to help the other students plagiarize? No
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Should the teacher have recognised the work as plagiarism but failed to do so?
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Should the teacher have recognised the work as plagiarism but failed to do so? Not exactly. Noish
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Was plagiarism a valid way to complete the assignment?
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Is the homework research work?
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Tom:
Was plagiarism a valid way to complete the assignment? No

Vlad:
Is the homework research work? No
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was he given an assignment at all? did the teacher give him a low mark for it? and then he stood up and said well I copied this from so-and-so and I should have therefore got top marks? did the teacher not like him?
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Was copying needed to finish his homework? Or could he have finished it anyway?
Source of copying - A fellow student's notes or homework? A book? A teacher's notes? A website? Will it help if we could find this?
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Damia:
was he given an assignment at all? Yes did the teacher give him a low mark for it? Yope and then he stood up and said well I copied this from so-and-so and I should have therefore got top marks? Something like that... did the teacher not like him? Correct

Almost there now!

Emptyhead:
Was copying needed to finish his homework? No Or could he have finished it anyway? Yes he could
Source of copying - A fellow student's notes or homework? A book? Thisish A teacher's notes? A website? Will it help if we could find this? Yes
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Did teacher rejected any of answer/theory/hypothesis that he gave in his homework? Nick claimed this can't be because he copied it from a famous scientist/author and claimed more marks?
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Did teacher rejected any of answer/theory/hypothesis that he gave in his homework? No Nick claimed this can't be because he copied it from a famous scientist/author and claimed more marks? Noish
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Did the teacher reject a essay on something as an inaccurate analysis (e.g. an essay about a poem), even though the essay was written by the original creator? (e.g. the poet)

<anecdote>I used to be a drama-student, and turned up at college one day and was asked to read my prepared poem. I'd missed the assignment, so I just read a poem I'd written a few years before... the teacher told me that I'd failed to understand what the poet was trying to say..</anecdote>
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Did the teacher reject a essay on something as an inaccurate analysis (e.g. an essay about a poem), even though the essay was written by the original creator? (e.g. the poet)No. But you've got quite close in a way!

<anecdote>I used to be a drama-student, and turned up at college one day and was asked to read my prepared poem. I'd missed the assignment, so I just read a poem I'd written a few years before... the teacher told me that I'd failed to understand what the poet was trying to say..</anecdote> Hahaha! Reminds me of an incident that happened a few years ago-- my teacher said that she liked the way I used my story to flesh out the tendency of all humans to deceive themselves, or something along those lines, and I was thinking, "...I did??" :-)
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Sometimes we all have that subconscious spark of genius :-) Pity I never get it when playing lateral puzzles

Yope for low mark... did he get a mark? Or was it only a pass/fail type of homework (like an exam), and he failed?
Did he plagiarise someone in his class? The teacher? Some authority on an issue? Someone completely different? Someone well-known?

Bookish: a student's book? Or a work of art? Such as a novel? novella? short story? drama? comedy? movie script?
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Is the original creator present, or known personally by anyone present?
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Vlad:
Sometimes we all have that subconscious spark of genius Pity I never get it when playing lateral puzzles I seldom get it either :-(

Yope for low mark... did he get a mark? No Or was it only a pass/fail type of homework (like an exam) No , and he failed? Noish
Did he plagiarise someone in his class? No The teacher? No Some authority on an issue? Noish Someone completely different? Someone well-known? This

Bookish: a student's book? Or a work of art? Such as a novel? novella? short story? drama? comedy? movie script? No to all. :-) You missed out something!

Tom:
Is the original creator present, or known personally by anyone present? No
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Poem, limerick, song?

How relevant is the exact form? Could this problem apply to other forms? (e.g. "it's a poem in this instance, but it could have been a short-story")
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did the teacher simply say that whatever it was was terrible?
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Was the homework rated by the class?
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Would, in this context, another word for plagarism be "quotation"?
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Tom:
Poem Yes limerick, song?

How relevant is the exact form? Slightly relevant Could this problem apply to other forms? (e.g. "it's a poem in this instance, but it could have been a short-story") Yes, it could, but a poem is most fitting.

Damia:
did the teacher simply say that whatever it was was terrible? Yes

Vlad:
Was the homework rated by the class? No

Tom:
Would, in this context, another word for plagarism be "quotation"? No

Almost good enough for a spiol now, just tell me why Nick decided to plagiarise in the first place and we can have a $poiler!
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Was the assignment to write a poem in the style of X, and Nick just plagiarised an obscure poem by X?
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Was the assignment to write a poem in the style of X, and Nick just plagiarised an obscure poem by X? No
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Was homework to write a poem? Write about a poet? Find out what poet is trying to say through his poem?
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did he do it to prove the teacher didn't like him?
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Emptyhead:
Was homework to write a poem? Yes Write about a poet? Find out what poet is trying to say through his poem? No to rest

Damia:
did he do it to prove the teacher didn't like him? Yes, and also..
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Was the original written by a well-renowned poet?
Did he want to prove that the teacher was biased when grading? Or that the teacher failed him without even reading the poem?
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He copied a poem to prove the teacher didn't like him (since the poem was by a good poet, but the teacher said it was rubbish) and also to prove the teacher didn't know as much about the poet as he should (since he should have recognised the poem)?
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Mattias:
Was the original written by a well-renowned poet? Yes
Did he want to prove that the teacher was biased when grading? Yesish Or that the teacher failed him (He didn't fail him!) without even reading the poem? No

Tom:
He copied a poem to prove the teacher didn't like him Ay (since the poem was by a good poet, but the teacher said it was rubbish) Yes and also to prove the teacher didn't know as much Yes about the poet as he should (since he should have recognised the poem)? But not this!
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Did he want to prove that the teacher was unable to distinguish a skilled writer from a poor one? or that it is just not possible to grade poetry in a fair way?
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Did he want to prove that the teacher was unable to distinguish a skilled writer from a poor one? Yes! or that it is just not possible to grade poetry in a fair way?

And now it's time for the...
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***********************SPOILER*******************

Nick and his teacher (let's call him Prof Smith) didn't get along. Prof Smith hated Nick's writing style, found it pretentious, and never missed an opportunity to insult Nick's poems. Nick, however, was convinced that Prof Smith was incompetent, and was unable to appreciate the genius behind his poetry. One day, Nick decided to dig up a very obscure poem which ressembled his own style, written by a famous poet, and submitted it as an assignment. Prof Smith played right into Nick's hands; when returning the assignments, he once again dismissed Nick's poem as utter rubbish, even mocking some of the grandiose-sounding phrases in it. Nick, delighted, proceeded to announce that the poem was written, not by him, but by famous poet so-and-so, much to Prof Smith's horror and embarrassment.

Thanks for playing, my fellow lateral puzzlers! :-)
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Thank you, Jackie!
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You're welcome!
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Prof. Smith's embarrassment proves his incompetence. A competent professor (or a competent judge of anything) recognizes that bigshots may do crappy work. As a competent philosophy professor (I hope. . .), I am happy to tell you that the much-trumpeted philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein is a ludicrously overrated windbag.

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