| Author | Message | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 45 Registered: 3-2007 |
2 then 0 then 1 then 3 all for a days pay. | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 265 Registered: 9-2003 |
jobs relevant? could those numbers be in a different order for the puzzle to work? do the numbers refer to objects? money? any crimes? vehicles? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 138 Registered: 1-2007 |
Are the nunbers a code of some discription? Are they a combination to a safe? briefcase? security door? alarm system? other? It's not your ATM PIN i hope  Is it a password to a computer? Are the numbers written? typed? dialled? spoken? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 46 Registered: 3-2007 |
/b{Damia:} jobs relevant? /b{no} could those numbers be in a different order for the puzzle to work? /b{no} do the numbers refer to objects? /b{no} money? /b{no} any crimes? /b{no} vehicles? /b{no} /b{Peter} Are the nunbers a code of some discription? /b{no}Are they a combination to a safe? /b{no} briefcase? /b{no} security door? /b{no} alarm system? /b{no}other? /b{no} It's not your ATM PIN i hope :-) /b{no unless my wife has changed it ;)} Is it a password to a computer? /b{no} /b{hope the formatting works out ok. hope you enjoy the puzzle} Are the numbers written? typed? dialled? spoken? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 47 Registered: 3-2007 |
Damia: jobs relevant? no could those numbers be in a different order for the puzzle to work? no do the numbers refer to objects? no money? no any crimes? no vehicles? no Peter Are the nunbers a code of some discription? noAre they a combination to a safe? no briefcase? no security door? no alarm system? noother? no It's not your ATM PIN i hope :-) no unless my wife has changed it ;) Is it a password to a computer? no hope the formatting works out ok. hope you enjoy the puzzle Are the numbers written? typed? dialled? spoken? irr sorry about the previous post. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 142 Registered: 1-2007 |
If explaining the relevance of the numbers verbally would you say them the way you type them in the puzzle statement ie. with then between each number? or would you simply say "two zero one three? or "Twenty Thirteen" or Two Thousand & Thirteen? any of this relevant? Do the numbers represent time e.g 20:13 or the year 2013? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 52 Registered: 3-2007 |
If explaining the relevance of the numbers verbally would you say them the way you type them in the puzzle statement not as brief ie. with then between each number? yes if the subject was knownor would you simply say "two zero one three? or "Twenty Thirteen" or Two Thousand & Thirteen? any of this relevant? Do the numbers represent time e.g 20:13 or the year 2013? not representing time | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 145 Registered: 1-2007 |
Are these numbers relevant to you? Do you actually see the numbers? if so is it a daily occurance? weekly? monthly? less often? Do they represent an amount of money? Anything to do with your method of commuting to work? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 54 Registered: 3-2007 |
Are these numbers relevant to you? no Do you actually see the numbers? noif so is it a daily occurance? weekly? monthly? less often? Do they represent an amount of money? noAnything to do with your method of commuting to work? no When the genes don't fit | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 147 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is some specific knowledge of genetics required to solve this puzzle? if so i'll be here till doomsday!! Too much to hope for that it's to do with Denim Jeans and the figures are your waist measurements i suppose | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 59 Registered: 3-2007 |
Is some specific knowledge of genetics required to solve this puzzle? slight knowledge if so i'll be here till doomsday!! Too much to hope for that it's to do with Denim Jeans and the figures are your waist measurements i suppose:-) my waist measurements only go up these days ;-) why don't my smileys work? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 150 Registered: 1-2007 |
you should type colon and right parenthesis and nothing else. You seem to be using semi-colon. Will get back to you when i brush up on my genetics?  | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 65 Registered: 3-2007 |
you should type colon and right parenthesis and nothing else. You seem to be using semi-colon. Will get back to you when i brush up on my genetics? :-( dna is hereditary is pretty much all you need to know.. not asking for the chemical bonds in the four nucleosides | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 530 Registered: 3-2006 |
OK, let's tackle the "all for a day's pay" bit: is it relevant who is being paid? Is it you? Is this a true story? Does the payee work in genetics? In a laboratory? In full-time employment? Casual employment? And we are talking about those pesky bits of chromosomes, yes (not Messrs Hackman, Wilder et al)? Would the person being paid require a science degree? Or could any old doofus (eg me) earn the cash? Do the digits denote numbers of things? Are other sequences logically possible, eg 3102? Is it relevant that the digits from 0 to 3 occur once only and that no digit is greater than 3? Do the digits correspond to the A,C, G and T of a DNA molecule? | ||
| Anakie (Anakie)
New member Username: Anakie Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2007 |
is this the number of offsprings that display a hereditary trait in a family as per generation first gen - 2 second gen - 0 third gen - 1 fourth gen - 3 | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 67 Registered: 3-2007 |
OK, let's tackle the "all for a day's pay" bit: is it relevant who is being paid? yes Is it you? noIs this a true story? yesDoes the payee work in genetics? noIn a laboratory? zb{no}In full-time employment? noCasual employment? no And we are talking about those pesky bits of chromosomes, yes yes (not Messrs Hackman, Wilder et al)? no Would the person being paid require a science degree? noOr could any old doofus (eg me) earn the cash? earn is the wrong word. only some of us could end up in this predicament Do the digits denote numbers of things? yesish things is perhaps the wrong word thoughAre other sequences logically possible, eg 3102? yes it would be n,0,1,n+1 Is it relevant that the digits from 0 to 3 occur once only and that no digit is greater than 3? noDo the digits correspond to the A,C, G and T of a DNA molecule? no that knowledge isn't neccesary | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 68 Registered: 3-2007 |
is this the number of offsprings yes that display a hereditary trait in a family as per generation no first gen - 2 second gen - 0 third gen - 1 fourth gen - 3 | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 728 Registered: 8-2006 |
Hey, to make the big grinning smiley, do :o, except capitalize the O, like  | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 729 Registered: 8-2006 |
Anakie: I'm just wondering, how there be 0 offspring nin the 2nd generation, and then the generation springs back up? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 71 Registered: 3-2007 |
Anakie: I'm just wondering, how there be 0 offspring nin the 2nd generation, and then the generation springs back up? it's not offsprings through succesive generations | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 72 Registered: 3-2007 |
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| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 303 Registered: 9-2003 |
is the payees job involving: artistic/musical/writer? Banking/financial/real estate? Clerical/Administrative? Computer related / Hardware ? Construction / Craftsman ? Education / Academic Research ? Entertainment / Media ? Executive / Management ? Hospitality / Travel ? Legal Services ? Manufacturing / Distributions ? Medical / Health Services ? Politics / Government / Military ? Sales / Marketing ? Technical / Science / Engineering ? Teaching / Child care? Transportation ? Food Service ? Sports? Entertainment? Jailbird / Criminal? Religion? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 81 Registered: 3-2007 |
is the payees job involving: unemployed | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is this activity related to research? Could "pay" be better described as "reward"? The following question is answered implicitly in March 31st post, but I would like a clarification anyway Is the one getting a day's pay a human? If yes, does this unemployed human have an occupation? Is gender important to the activity? to the occupation (if any)? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 85 Registered: 3-2007 |
Is this activity related to research? no organ transplantation?no tissue donation?no Could "pay" be better described as "reward"?no The following question is answered implicitly in March 31st post, but I would like a clarification anyway Is the one getting a day's pay a human?yes If yes, does this unemployed human have an occupation?no Is gender important to the activity? to the occupation (if any)?Gender is what makes this puzzle fascinating but she has no occupation. Had she an occupation the resulting events would more than likely never have occured | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2007 |
Are men prevented from engaging in this activity? If yes, because of genetics? tradition? lack of dexterity? Is her "workday" longer than 8 hours? Are entities being counted ( enumerated ? ) of the same kind? That is, could we say that there are 6 of them total? Or maybe just 3? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 90 Registered: 3-2007 |
Are men prevented from engaging in this activity? If yes, because of genetics? tradition? lack of dexterity? Ok **HINT** just a recap the lady is unemployed and persued her course of action for a days pay ie money to live on. Men and women can both persue the course of action for money if they are unemployed. The criteria needed to get the money is what makes this very intreasting. So in summary men are not prevented from this course of action Is her "workday" longer than 8 hours? unemployed Are entities being counted ( enumerated ? ) of the same kind? That is, could we say that there are 6 of them total? Or maybe just 3? **HINT** entities are being counted in one sense of the word but when the entitie is zero it doesn't mean it's not in existance any more just not with the same person. I hope this helps | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2007 |
Does it have something to do with children? Hers? Relatives'? Strengers'? From 2 to 3, what time period is covered: a day, a month, a year, ten years? Are some geographical locations more likely for this occurance than others? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 92 Registered: 3-2007 |
Does it have something to do with children? yesHers? yesRelatives'? noStrengers'?no From 2 to 3, what time period is covered: a day, a month,~5 monthsa year, ten years? Are some geographical locations more likely for this occurance than others? unknown | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 93 Registered: 3-2007 |
any crimes? no. (can i just change this to no but it was thought there was) | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2007 |
Does it matter: how old the children are? Were the children sold? "rented" for some purpose? Is this equally likely to happen in any country? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 94 Registered: 3-2007 |
Does it matter: how old the children are? not really apart when the children go from 0 to 3 how many she has? not at all Were the children sold? "rented" for some purpose? no not sold or rented Is this equally likely to happen in any country? In a weird sort of way this is more likely to happen in a developed and socially responsive country | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 31 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is the woman pregnant? Did she actually have to do anything to get the money? Would what she did have been considered work? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 96 Registered: 3-2007 |
Is the woman pregnant? yes at the 0 stage Did she actually have to do anything to get the money? she had to apply for something Would what she did have been considered work? not by any stretch of the imagination although she had to fight very hard to get it and to clear her name. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2007 |
So did she have 2 children, and then lose them somehow? And then she was pregnant, having no children, then gave birth, having 1 child, and then later either had 2 more children or got her orignal ones back? Am I right in this? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 98 Registered: 3-2007 |
So did she have 2 children, and then lose them somehow? And then she was pregnant, having no children, then gave birth, having 1 child, and then later either had 2 more children or got her orignal ones back? Am I right in this? yes perfect so far, all the above with getting her original children back | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 37 Registered: 4-2007 |
Were her children taken away because it was thought she committed a crime? Relevant what that crime was? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 99 Registered: 3-2007 |
Were her children taken away because it was thought she committed a crime? yes Relevant what that crime was? yes | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 591 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was she accused of incest? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 101 Registered: 3-2007 |
Was she accused of incest? No | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 51 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was her crime anything to do with children? Did they take her children away because they thought she might pose a danger to them? Because she seemed to be an unfit mother? Was what she was accused of to do with theft? Murder? Assault? Was it a crime involving harm to someone? Something? Was it a fairly non-serious crime? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 103 Registered: 3-2007 |
Was her crime anything to do with children? yes but not a crime against children if you know what i mean Did they take her children away because they thought she might pose a danger to them? not really but this could have been part of their argument against her Because she seemed to be an unfit mother? as above Was what she was accused of to do with theft? noish Murder? no Assault? no Was it a crime involving harm to someone? no Something? no Was it a fairly non-serious crime? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 55 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was there any doubt that the children were legally hers? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 105 Registered: 3-2007 |
Was there any doubt that the children were legally hers? very good yes but expand | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 56 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did they think she had kidnapped them? That they had been switched at bith with her children? Or was there some doubt if she conceived them legally? You said no to incest but was she underage when she had them? Anything like this? Did someone else claim that the children belonged to them? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 107 Registered: 3-2007 |
Did they think she had kidnapped them? no That they had been switched at bith with her children? \b {no }Or was there some doubt if she conceived them legally? noish You said no to incest but was she underage when she had them? no Anything like this? no Did someone else claim that the children belonged to them? only the father | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was she: using children to get extra benefits? using them as models for paintings or photographs? dressing girls up as boys or the other way around? leaving them home alone? Are the first two children her biological ones? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 109 Registered: 3-2007 |
Was she: using children to get extra benefits? yes using them as models for paintings or photographs? no dressing girls up as boys or the other way around? no leaving them home alone? no Are the first two children her biological ones? yesish | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 74 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did she pretend to have more children than she actually did? Or pretend to have less children? Di she give birth to these two children herself? Did she lie about their ages? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 111 Registered: 3-2007 |
Did she pretend to have more children than she actually did? no Or pretend to have less children? no Di she give birth to these two children herself? yes Did she lie about their ages? no | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 38 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was she a surrogate mother to either of the first two children? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 112 Registered: 3-2007 |
Was she a surrogate mother to either of the first two children? no the children were hers and lived with her prior to losing them. | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 113 Registered: 3-2007 |
**HINT** The difference is between perceived and actual realities ie what the woman knows and what the world thinks | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 854 Registered: 8-2006 |
Relevant that some kid menus have things on them like: 0-12 years old... blah blah blah... and you get one free per adult meal bought? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 115 Registered: 3-2007 |
Relevant that some kid menus have things on them like: 0-12 years old... blah blah blah... and you get one free per adult meal bought? No nothing to do with discounts or deals for children | ||
| Foulglory (Foulglory)
New member Username: Foulglory Post Number: 159 Registered: 1-2007 |
Child support relevant? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 116 Registered: 3-2007 |
Child support relevant? Extremely relevant | ||
| Foulglory (Foulglory)
New member Username: Foulglory Post Number: 166 Registered: 1-2007 |
So....did she sue her husband for it? | ||
| Foulglory (Foulglory)
New member Username: Foulglory Post Number: 167 Registered: 1-2007 |
Wait! I had an idea from the title. Were the two children, biologically her husband's or was she having an affair?(or a drunken mishap?) Did her husband prove by DNA testing that she had been unfaithful? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 117 Registered: 3-2007 |
Wait! I had an idea from the title. Were the two children, biologically her husband's yes or was she having an affair? no(or a drunken mishap? no ) Did her husband prove by DNA testing that she had been unfaithful? no, but this is the right sort of line of enquiry | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 140 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was she getting her husband to pay child support when he shouldn't have? And she felt it was justified for some reason (maybe just as he was the one that got her pregnant) but the way the world saw it, she was committing benefit fraud? Was she still in a relationship with the father when the children were born? When they were taken away? Was there a custody battle of some kind? Did the father claim that they legally belonged to him? When they were taken away, did they go to live with the father? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 118 Registered: 3-2007 |
Was she getting her husband to pay child support when he shouldn't have? No the support was from the state And she felt it was justified for some reason yes she felt it was very justified (maybe just as he was the one that got her pregnant yes he probably did) but the way the world saw it, she was committing benefit fraud? yes the world saw it that she was commiting benefit fraud but why? and how did she clear her name Was she still in a relationship with the father when the children were born? not in a relationship with the father of the first three When they were taken away? Was there a custody battle of some kind? no Did the father claim that they legally belonged to him? noWhen they were taken away, did they go to live with the father? no | ||
| Foulglory (Foulglory)
New member Username: Foulglory Post Number: 175 Registered: 1-2007 |
Were any of the children illegitimate? 1st? 2nd? 3rd? | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2007 |
Could you clarify these points, please: Are the first two children her biological ones? yesish These two are hers and her husband's, she gave birth to both of them, yet they are only "marginally" her biological children according to the answer above. Is it because there is something that makes them not entirely hers, or because they were perceived as not belonging to her? Was she still in a relationship with the father when the children were born? not in a relationship with the father of the first three Is this a typo or a clue? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 119 Registered: 3-2007 |
Were any of the children illegitimate? 1st? irr 2nd? irr 3rd? irr Could you clarify these points, please: Are the first two children her biological ones? yesish because the classic definition is not entirely fulfilled These two are hers and her husband's, she gave birth to both of them, yet they are only "marginally" her biological children according to the answer above. Is it because there is something that makes them not entirely hers yes, or because they were perceived as not belonging to her? because there was something that made that made the children not entirely hers the children were not perceived as hers Was she still in a relationship with the father when the children were born? for the first two not in a relationship with the father of the first three Is this a typo or a clue? I guess this make it a bit ambiguous, she was in a relationship with the father for the first two, then were seperated when the third was born | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 150 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was there something like the children had brown eyes, but both parents had blue eyes which should be genetically impossible? Or the bloodtypes didn't match? Did they do a DNA test to see if she was the mother? Or if the father was really their father? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 120 Registered: 3-2007 |
Was there something like the children had brown eyes, but both parents had blue eyes which should be genetically impossible? no Or the bloodtypes didn't match? no Did they do a DNA test to see if she was the mother? yes Or if the father was really their father? yes | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 165 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did something prompt them to do the test? Did one of the parents insist? Did the results show that they were the legal parents, so she got her kids back? Or did it somehow give a false reading? Was there anything unusual about the genes of the mother? The father? The children? Was the crime she was accused of claiming benefits for children who weren't hers? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 121 Registered: 3-2007 |
Did something prompt them to do the test? irr Did one of the parents insist? no Did the results show that they were the legal parents no to one, so she got her kids back? no she lost her kids first then gained them back Or did it somehow give a false reading? no Was there anything unusual about the genes of the mother? yes The father? no The children? yes Was the crime she was accused of claiming benefits for children who weren't hers? that was the crime she was accused of | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 175 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did the test show that she was not the mother, but the father was their biological father? Or vice versa? Does the mother have a hereditary condition that she passed onto their children? An illness? Something very rare like albinoism? Or something like an extra finger on one hand? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 123 Registered: 3-2007 |
Did the test show that she was not the mother, but the father was their biological father? yes Or vice versa? Does the mother have a hereditary condition that she passed onto their children? An illness? Something very rare like albinoism? Or something like an extra finger on one hand? no | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 124 Registered: 3-2007 |
There is still a twist to this tale | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 77 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is the unusual thing about mother's and children's genes the fact that they do not match, or is there something else? Was there a similar discrepancy between mother's genes and that of the third child? Something had prompted authorities to question maternity and perform the tests. Do children look very different from their mother? father? Does it matter what the difference is? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 125 Registered: 3-2007 |
Is the unusual thing about mother's and children's genes the fact that they do not match, or is there something else? the genes don't match which resulted in.....? Was there a similar discrepancy between mother's genes and that of the third child? yes Something had prompted authorities to question maternity and perform the tests irr but the authorities did the test then followed through with a series of actions and during the pregnacy of the thrid. Do children look very different from their mother? father? More than likely more similar to the father Does it matter what the difference is? no | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 90 Registered: 4-2007 |
RECAP: A woman gets separated from her husband and applies for social welfare support for her two children ( and herself, probably ). Authorities suspect that children are not related to her and DNA testing "proves" it, so kids are taken away. She then gives birth to her third child, who is also shown by the DNA tests to be "not hers". This fact helps the woman get her first two children back ( and get support for them, too ). All children have been conceived naturally, and are her husband's ( according to DNA testing ), so there is no possibility that a donor's eggs were used. And yet somehow the DNA test does not match her with her offspring. Does it matter how much DNA testing was performed? For example, it is often sufficient to check parents' blood types to show that a child could not be their common offspring. Did this case lead to a discovery of a new allele? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 126 Registered: 3-2007 |
RECAP: A woman gets separated from her husband and applies for social welfare support for her two children ( and herself, probably ). Authorities suspect that children are not related to her and DNA testing "proves" it, so kids are taken away. She then gives birth to her third child, who is also shown by the DNA tests to be "not hers". This fact helps the woman get her first two children back ( and get support for them, too ). All children have been conceived naturally, and are her husband's ( according to DNA testing ), so there is no possibility that a donor's eggs were used. And yet somehow the DNA test does not match her with her offspring. All true so far Does it matter how much DNA testing was performed? For example, it is often sufficient to check parents' blood types to show that a child could not be their common offspring. Yesish Did this case lead to a discovery of a new allele? No | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 224 Registered: 4-2007 |
The thing that was unusual about the mother's genes: does she have some genetic disorder which her children did not have? Or did her children have a disorder she didn't have? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 127 Registered: 3-2007 |
The thing that was unusual about the mother's genes: does she have some genetic disorder which her children did not have? Yes Or did her children have a disorder she didn't have? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 232 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the reason they thought she was not the real mother because her children didn't have the disorder? Did this lead to any kind of scientific discovery eg they discovered that what they thought was a recessive gene was actually dominant? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 128 Registered: 3-2007 |
Was the reason they thought she was not the real mother because her children didn't have the disorder? No Did this lead to any kind of scientific discovery No but the 'condition' sent a few shock waves into the legal system eg they discovered that what they thought was a recessive gene was actually dominant? no | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 98 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is this 'condition' linked with the sex chromosomes? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 129 Registered: 3-2007 |
Is this 'condition' linked with the sex chromosomes? only fractionally | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 398 Registered: 10-2004 |
chimera? | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 130 Registered: 3-2007 |
chimera? Right on the nose.Spot on Zenith. | ||
| Goldenspiral (Goldenspiral)
New member Username: Goldenspiral Post Number: 131 Registered: 3-2007 |
*****SPOILER***** Lydia Fairchild was pregnant with her third child, when she and the father of her children, Jamie Townsend, separated. When Fairchild applied for welfare support in 2002, she was requested to provide DNA evidence that Townsend was the father of her children. While the results showed Townsend was certainly the father of the children, the DNA tests indicated that she was not their mother. This resulted in Fairchild being taken to court for fraud for claiming benefit for other people's children or taking part in a surrogacy scam. Hospital records of her prior births were disregarded. Prosecutors called for her two children to be taken into care. As time came for her to give birth to her third child, the judge ordered a witness be present at the birth. This witness was to ensure that blood samples were immediately taken from both the child and Fairchild. Two weeks later, DNA tests indicated that she was not the mother of that child either. A breakthrough came when a lawyer for the prosecution found an article in the New England Journal of Medicine about a similar case that had happened in Boston, and realised that Fairchild's case might also be caused by chimerism. In 1998, 52-year old Boston teacher Karen Keegan was in need of a kidney transplant. When her three adult sons were tested for suitability as donors, it was discovered that two of them did not match her DNA to the extent that her biological children should. Later testing showed that Keegan was a chimera, a combination of two separate sets of cell lines with two separate sets of chromosomes, when a second set of DNA was found in other tissues[3]. This DNA presumably came from a different embryo than the one that gave rise to the rest of her tissues. Fairchild's prosecutors suggested this possibility to her lawyers, who arranged further testing. As in Keegan's case, DNA samples from extended members of the family were taken. The DNA for Fairchild's children matched that of her mother to the extent expected of a grandmother. They also found that while the DNA in Fairchild's skin and hair did not match her children, the DNA from a cervical smear test was different and did match. Fairchild was carrying two different sets of DNA, the defining characteristic of a chimera. Above paragraph was taken from Wikipedia | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1142 Registered: 10-2001 |
Fascinating! |
