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There is a well-known book whose title sounds like a South American adventure story. In fact, it is something else altogether.

Inspired by Crazypalpig's recent puzzle, but this is totally different. Perhaps too easy: as ever, early thpoilers please email.
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YAY Ummm... Indiana Jones?
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YAY Ummm... Indiana Jones? He doesn't feature in this one, I'm afraid
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Does it have the name of a South American country in its title?
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Does it have the name of a South American country in its title? It most certainly does. I did wonder whether this was Googleproof, but I googled the title, and the relevant reference didn't come up for several hundred pages.
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Or a Capital city, like parimaribo? Countreys: Falkland islands? Brasil? Peru? Bolivia? Paraguay? uraguay? argentina? Chile? Suriname? Ecuador? venezuella? the two guineas? Colombo?
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Bolivia? this one
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Does it have the name of a South American country in its title? It most certainly does. I did wonder whether this was Googleproof, but I googled the title, and the relevant reference didn't come up for several hundred pages.

Not the CIA - The World Factbook -- Boliva then?
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Not the CIA - The World Factbook -- Boliva then? Indeed not
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Relevant Bolivia sounds like believe ya? Like bolivia now?(believe ya now?)
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Relevant Bolivia sounds like believe ya? Like bolivia now?(believe ya now?) That's ingenious. Not relevant though.
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How many words in the title? [insert list of numbers]
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How many words in the title? 3
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are one of the words a verb? Any adjectives, adverbs?
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are one of the words a verb? no Any adjectives no, adverbs? yope
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Simon Bolivar remotely relevant?
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Simon Bolivar remotely relevant? no
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Is the book a novel? Factual book?
Does the word Bolivia in the title refer to the country, or does it mean something else here? Is the country of Bolivia featured in the book?
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Is the book a novel? no Factual book? yes
Does the word Bolivia in the title refer to the country yes, or does it mean something else here? I think just the country, but it's been a while since I read the book Is the country of Bolivia featured in the book? yes it is
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Is the book about Bolivia? Like a guide to Bolivia, or about its culture/history?
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Is the book about Bolivia? no Like a guide to Bolivia, or about its culture/history? no-ish
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You said it had an adverb as a yope... is the word not? how many other nouns? one?
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I doubt its this, Ripley's believe it or not?(I still can't get the fact that Bolivia sounds way too much like believe. )
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You said it had an adverb as a yope... true, if confusing is the word not? No. "Not" is a funny adverb, but an adverb nonetheless. Clever line of thought, though. how many other nouns? one? another yope, I'm afraid

I doubt its this, Ripley's believe it or not?(I still can't get the fact that Bolivia sounds way too much like believe. ) LOL. No, nothing whatever to do with "believe ya"
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Ok, thanks. Funny adverbs... Can't think of any. Ending with LY? Is there an article?(a, an, the?) Is there a conjunction?
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Ending with LY? no Is there an article?(a, an, the?) no Is there a conjunction? no
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Wow, you're online right now with me?

In that case... So, we have (Kinda) established the three words. One is a weirdo adverb, and the other is some noun that gets a yope. Is it because the noun is a pronoun?
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In that case... So, we have (Kinda) established the three words. Hmmm .... maybe a FA

One is a weirdo adverb Well, the answer to "is it an adverb?" is decidedly yes and no. It isn't a weird word. and the other is some noun that gets a yope. Beware FA again Is it because the noun is a pronoun? nope: no pronouns involved
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Is the mystery adverb at the beginning? middle? end? And the noun? and the word Bolivia?
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Are the yopish adverb and noun words with different definitions, so that they could be either those parts of speech, or another?

Any other languages relevant?
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Is the mystery adverb at the beginning? this one middle? end? And the noun? the yopish noun is the first word and the word Bolivia? Bolivia is the third word

Are the yopish adverb and noun words with different definitions, so that they could be either those parts of speech yes, but beware FA, probably cleared up above, or another?

Any other languages relevant? no
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Wait, so you're saying that the noun and the adverb are the same words!? OOH, does the ending of the title say,"Of bolivia?"
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Wait, so you're saying that the noun and the adverb are the same words!? Yes: the same word, which can be read in two ways OOH, does the ending of the title say,"Of bolivia?" no
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Hey Woodworm, I've been trying to think up an intelligent question for this puzzle but I can't. May I just say that through the day today I've had reason to smile happily every time I came to think of the word Googleproof.
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So, homophones/homonyms relevant?
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So, homophones no/homonyms yesrelevant? The first word has two relevant meanings, but the spelling and pronunciation are the same
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For you info, homophones and homonyms are the same. Oh, I know what this word is... to, too, two?
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Yes, sometimes the words are used interchangeably. For the purposes of my reply, and not wanting to mislead, I went to my trusty, coffee-stained Chambers Dictionary (1983 edition):

Homophone: a word which is pronounced the same as another but is different in spelling and meaning.

Homonym: a word having the same sound and perhaps the same spelling as another, but a different meaning and origin.

It's the second of these which applies here.


Oh, I know what this word is... to, too, two? nope, the ambiguous word is not this
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Is the title of the book supposed to iclude the wpord in its sense as a noun, but if you were to take it as an adverb it would make it sound like a South American adventure story? Or the toher way round?
Is the word "fast"?
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Is the title of the book supposed to iclude the wpord in its sense as a noun, but if you were to take it as an adverb it would make it sound like a South American adventure story? YES, exactly this. Good question.

Is the word "fast" no?
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Just to clear up the whole homophone/homonym confusion: is this word spelt the same as both an adverb and a noun?
Is it a proper noun? An abstract noun? Or something tangible?
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Just to clear up the whole homophone/homonym confusion: is this word spelt the same as both an adverb and a noun? Yes! That's it. [Phew. I was getting quite befuddled by the whole homophone thingy]

Is it a proper noun? In this particular context, it's a proper noun An abstract noun? Or something tangible?
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A place name? A person's name? Man or woman's name? A brand name? A month of the year? A title?
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A place name? A person's name? This: a man's name Man or woman's name? A brand name? A month of the year? A title?
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Frank? Randy? Bobby? Max?

I cant think of any other names that could ever be adverbs!
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Frank? Randy? Bobby? Max? none of those
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Is it a first name? A surname?

Is it a common name? or more unusual?
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Is it a first name? A surname? this

Is it a common name? or more unusual? In English-speaking countries, it's unusual. I've just checked my phone book, and found only one person with this name. As an adverb, however, it's very very common indeed.
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ok then, lets see. A very very common adverb that doesn't end in ly...

very? I have a hard time believing you'd give such a hint!

almost? always? even? far? fast? less? more? never? often? quite? rather? seldom? soon? well?
ahead? again? also? ever? back? early? forward? late? little? here? now? hence? never? high? low? then? near? thus?

in what countries would this surname be common? South American? Bolivia????
European? Asian? African?
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very? I have a hard time believing you'd give such a hint! Hehe! Am I that mean?

almost? always? even? far? fast? less? more? never? often? quite? rather? seldom? soon? well?
ahead? again? also? ever? back? YAY! early? forward? late? little? here? now? hence? never? high? low? then? near? thus?

in what countries would this surname be common? South American? Bolivia???? no
European? this one Asian? African?
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No, you're not mean, it just seems a bit early in the life of the puzzle to stick part of the answer out there like that!!! I certainty wouldn't if I were you! And you wouldn't either it seems!

Ok, so the title is Back _________ Bolivia....

is th middle word from? to? in?
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I tried a google search, and is the story John Renaud's?(or something like that)
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No, you're not mean, it just seems a bit early in the life of the puzzle to stick part of the answer out there like that!!! I certainty wouldn't if I were you! And you wouldn't either it seems! Aha! I misunderstood. No, it's not "very". Oh I do wish we could have our smiles back!

Ok, so the title is Back _________ Bolivia....

is th middle word from? to? this one in?

I tried a google search, and is the story John Renaud's?(or something like that) no: it might be fun to finish this one off without google, especially as you're all closing in
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So you said its a non-fiction book?

Is it a biography? textbook? travel book? essay? atlas?

Wait a second... Eureka moment! I think not to all of those, but....
Is it an encyclopedia?
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So you said its a non-fiction book?

Is it a biography? textbook? travel book? essay? atlas?

Wait a second... Eureka moment! I think not to all of those, but....
Is it an encyclopedia? Allez Archimedes! Care to spoil?
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Well, I don't know what encyclopedia, but a volume (vol. 2? 3?) of some encyclopedia, it seems, begins with an entry about someone named Back, and concludes with one about Bolivia. Thus the title of the volume would read: Back to Bolivia. I'll leave the details to you!

Great puzzle!
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Perfect! And so to the:

**** SPOILER ****

Volume 2 of the New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians (1980) is titled BACK TO BOLIVIA.

For what it's worth, here is the full list of volumes:

1. A to Bacilly
2. Back to Bolivia
3. Bollioud-Mermet to Castro
4. Castrucci to Courante
5. Couraud to Edlund
6. Edmund to Fryklund
7. Fuchs to Gyuzeleu
8. H to Hypoichema
9. Iacobus to Kerman
10. Kern to Lindelheim
11. Lineman to Meantone
12. Meares to Mutis
13. Muwashshah to Ory
14. Osaka to Player Piano
15. Playford to Riedt
16. Riegel to Schisterfleck
17. Schutz to Spinto
18. Spiridion to Tin Whistle
19. Tiomkin to Virdung
20. Virelai to Zywny, Appendix

This was a bit of an in-joke amongst music students. There were a few jokes in that particular edition: not least an entry for a completely fictitious Danish composer called Dag Esrum-Hellerup. Apparently his name was a conflation of two Danish railway stations. The general editor, Stanley Sadie, was not an happy bunny.

As for Mr Back: there are actually three musicians of that name. Konrad Back (1749-1810), the organist and composer (apparently); not to be confused with violinist Oskar Back (1879-1963), or Sven-Erik Back (b.1919).

The New Grove has now been published in a new edition. Apparently, Barry Manilow almost made it to the spine of the book, but the thought was too awful to contemplate, so they changed the pagination.


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