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Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
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Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 7:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A rich man dies, because she had not been on time.

Sorry guys, I just spotted a flaw in the original puzzle statement so have amended. All previous answers stand.

Woodworm
I am quite embarrassed to have recognised an ABBA quote in your title. As am I to have used one :-) Is the song relevant? Only in the sense that the winner does indeed take it all Any other lyric from the song relevant (eg dice)? Or is the title relevant in a different way? But no other relevance

Logician
Re: title - Does the rich man freeze to death?
No
she = human? Yes adult? child? Yes

To turn your statement around, is it correct to say that because 'she' was not on time, the man died? Yes Was she early? No late? yes

Is it relevant that the man is rich? Yes Does it matter who "she" is? Yes Or only that she could have saved his life?

Is it relevant where they are? No

Crazypalpig
Did you get this from my puzzle by any chance?
I posted this before I saw it so similarities, if any, are purely coincidental :-)
Did the man(You expected us to hame the people in your last puzzle, so let's call this guy"RICHard" :-))Yes Richard is fine, though sadly the name holds no clue this time! dress properly for their climate? irrel

Foulglory
Is the means of death relevant? As in, what symptoms he physically died from? No

Rage29
did he commit suicide? No and had she been there she wouldve have prevented the suicide? So no to this

Foulglory
Could 'she' have given him something to prevent his death? No
Would 'she' have rescued him by taking him away? No

Had he come to that place specifically meet her? No, FA
Are any crimes involved? Yes
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Did they ever meet? Were they supposed to? Did he die in the same place she was late arriving at? Or in a different place? Close by? Far away? Different country?
If she had been on time, would he have lived? Would she have directly saved his life? Do we need to know generally how he died (murder, accident, natural causes, illness?)
Did he commit the crime? Did she? Was it committed against either of them? If so, him? her? Did the crime cause his death? Or cause her to be late?
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If she had been there on time, would she have died instead? Something like a bullet coming out of a gun, that would have hit her - but because she wasn't in the path of the bullet, he got shot?
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You responded that she was a child--was she a baby? Was she late as in she was born later that expected?

If not a baby, is her age relevant?
0-6?
7-12?
13-18?

Was she an heiress to his fortune?
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Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 11:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Enjay
Did they ever meet? Yes Were they supposed to? When? Did he die in the same place she was late arriving at? No Or in a different place? Close by? Far away? Different country? Irrel
If she had been on time, would he have lived? Yes Would she have directly saved his life? No Do we need to know generally how he died Yes (murder this one , accident, natural causes, illness?)
Did he commit the crime? No Did she? No Was it committed against either of them? Yes If so, him? Him her? Did the crime cause his death? Yes Or cause her to be late? No. His murder is the only crime involved.

Logician
If she had been there on time, would she have died instead? No Something like a bullet coming out of a gun, that would have hit her - but because she wasn't in the path of the bullet, he got shot? Nice idea but no! :-)

Booklover
You responded that she was a child--was she a baby? No Was she late as in she was born later that expected? YES, good one!

If not a baby, is her age relevant? Not hugely
0-6?
7-12? but we'll say this
13-18?

Was she an heiress to his fortune? Yope
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So Richard was murdered 7-12 years after a baby girl was born late. Correct? Is it important that the child is a girl, or did you just choose that to avoid confusion?
Was the girl his daughter? Or any relation? If not, is he connected to the girl's parents in any way?
Is it relevant how late she was? A few days? Weeks? Over a month?
Is there anything relevant about the mother of the girl? Did she die in childbirth?
Did the man know his murderer? Was the murderer connected to the girl?
Is the time relevant?
Is there anything like if the girl had been a bit older, she would have inherited his fortune, but as she was born late she didn't? Or she was born just after a new law came into force? Anything like this or am I going in totally the wrong direction here?
Was the motive for his murder:
Financial gain?
Jealousy?
Anger?
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Enjay
So Richard was murdered 7-12 years after a baby girl was born late. Correct? Absolutely Is it important that the child is a girl, or did you just choose that to avoid confusion? This - just saving people the bother of asking the "he = he?" question
Was the girl his daughter? Yes Or any relation? If not, is he connected to the girl's parents in any way?
Is it relevant how late she was? Yesish A few days? Yes, about 10 Weeks? Over a month?
Is there anything relevant about the mother of the girl? Yes Did she die in childbirth? No
Did the man know his murderer? Yes Was the murderer connected to the girl? Yes
Is the time relevant? of day? No
Is there anything like if the girl had been a bit older, she would have inherited his fortune, but as she was born late she didn't? Not this Or she was born just after a new law came into force? Anything like this or am I going in totally the wrong direction here? Nothing like this i'm afraid
Was the motive for his murder:
Financial gain? Oh yes
Jealousy? No
Anger? No
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Was the girl's mother Richard's wife? lover?

Had Richard changed/updated his will? before the girl was born? after girl was born--how many years after?

When did Richard get his fortune? Before the girl was born? after--how long after?

Is it important how Richard got his fortune?

Was the murderer the girl's mother? a relative of Richard's? a relative of the girl's mother? a friend of Richard's?

Since the girl is born late, does it change who gets Richard's fortune?

Did Richard know that his daughter was going to be a girl? Is this important?
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Booklover
Was the girl's mother Richard's wife? Yes lover?

Had Richard changed/updated his will? No before the girl was born? after girl was born--how many years after?

When did Richard get his fortune? shortly before his death Before the girl was born? after--how long after? We'll say she's 7, so 7 years

Is it important how Richard got his fortune? Yes

Was the murderer the girl's mother? Yes a relative of Richard's? a relative of the girl's mother? a friend of Richard's?

Since the girl is born late, does it change who gets Richard's fortune? No

Did Richard know that his daughter was going to be a girl? No Is this important? No
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So...Richard's wife waited till he had inherited the fortune and the killed him? Did she get the fortune then? If the baby had been a little early/not late, then would the mother have died during childbirth, hence saving him?
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Did Richard get his fortune by:
Investment?
Inheritance?
Selling something?
Gambling?
Doing anything illegal?
Is the girl's age connected to this puzzle at all (ie she is about 10 days younger than she should have been)?
Is the relevance of the girl's being late because of the mother (eg she was pregnant for an extra 10 days, so couldn't do something)?
Is any of the stuff that pregnant women are advised not to do relevant here? Drinking alcohol? Taking drugs? Flying in planes?
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Oh, and is the era/year this happens in relevant? Could it happen today?
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Foulglory
So...Richard's wife waited till he had inherited the fortune and the killed him? Yes, tiny FA Did she get the fortune then? Yes If the baby had been a little early/not late, then would the mother have died during childbirth, hence saving him? No

Enjay
Did Richard get his fortune by:
Investment?
Inheritance?
Selling something?
Gambling? This one
Doing anything illegal?
Is the girl's age connected to this puzzle at all (ie she is about 10 days younger than she should have been)? Not her actual age, per se
Is the relevance of the girl's being late because of the mother (eg she was pregnant for an extra 10 days, so couldn't do something)? No
Is any of the stuff that pregnant women are advised not to do relevant here? no Drinking alcohol? Taking drugs? Flying in planes?

Oh, and is the era/year this happens in relevant? Could it happen today? Yes. But it couldn't happen 20 years ago (in the UK at least)
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Was that FA to Foulglory's point because he didn't actually inherit the money?
Was he betting on something to do with his daughter? Like was he betting that she would be born late, so he won the money? Anything like this?
Did a law come into place 20 years ago that meant this couldn't happen? If so, connected to gambling? Inheritance? Something to do with giving birth? Abortion laws?
Is it anything to do with a new invention within the last 20 years? Or a change in social attitudes?
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Enjay
Was that FA to Foulglory's point because he didn't actually inherit the money? Yes and another tiny thing
Was he betting on something to do with his daughter? Yesish Like was he betting that she would be born late, so he won the money? Anything like this? Not this
Did a law come into place 20 years ago that meant this couldn't happen? If so, connected to gambling? Not a law, just the introduction of something Inheritance? Something to do with giving birth? Abortion laws? none of these
Is it anything to do with a new invention within the last 20 years? Not an invention Or a change in social attitudes? No
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If his daughter had been born on time, would he have lost the bet? Is the reason that he would not have died if she had been on time because he wouldn't have been rich, so there would be no motive to kill him?
Was his bet at a casino? At a bookkeepers? Or was it more infomal? Did he bet with a friend? With the girl's mother?
Did he bet on whether something would happen? When it would happen? Something to do with the actual birth of the baby? Or a characteristic of the girl?
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Enjay
If his daughter had been born on time, would he have lost the bet? Yes, though 'bet' may be a bit misleading Is the reason that he would not have died if she had been on time because he wouldn't have been rich, so there would be no motive to kill him? Exactly
Was his bet at a casino? No At a bookkeepers? No Or was it more infomal? Define informal? Did he bet with a friend? With the girl's mother? No to these
Did he bet on whether something would happen? Yes When it would happen? No Something to do with the actual birth of the baby? this is involved Or a characteristic of the girl? involved
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Is the girl's birthday of any importance? If so, did Richard was murdered)? Did she have a birthday after he was murdered? How soon after?

Did Richard have the bet with the girl?
With another relative?

Was Richard's wife's motive for the murder simply that he had become rich?

Did Richard tell his wife that he had won this money? If not, did she hear about the money from someone else? His daughter?

You stated that Richard didn't actually inherit the money--is this because he "won the money" from his gambling?

I won't be of much help with the gambling laws--I don't really gamble, and I don't know about UK gambling laws!

Actually, I just thought of something--you mentioned that it was not a "law" but of the introduction of something else--was this introduction maybe a waiting period of some sort--like you had to wait 10 days to get money from a bet? Anything like this?
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Booklover
Is the girl's birthday of any importance? Yes If so, did Richard was murdered)? Not sure what you mean Did she have a birthday after he was murdered? How soon after? Irrel

Did Richard have the bet with the girl? No
With another relative? No, it was not with another person

Was Richard's wife's motive for the murder simply that he had become rich? Yes

Did Richard tell his wife that he had won this money? Yes If not, did she hear about the money from someone else? His daughter?

You stated that Richard didn't actually inherit the money--is this because he "won the money" from his gambling? Yes

I won't be of much help with the gambling laws--I don't really gamble, and I don't know about UK gambling laws! Me neither and I'm British! :-) you don't really need to. This form of 'gambling' takes place in many countries of the world

Actually, I just thought of something--you mentioned that it was not a "law" but of the introduction of something else--was this introduction maybe a waiting period of some sort--like you had to wait 10 days to get money from a bet? Anything like this? No
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Sorry about my typo in the first question; I must have typed with my eyes crossed! Regarding the birthday, I meant to ask if Richard was murdered before his daughter had her birthday.
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Did Richard actually make a bet? Or was he gambling in the sense that he took a risk which paid off? Anything to do with a game? The stock market?
If the girl had been born just one day late would he still have got his fortune? If she had been born early? If she had been a boy? Is there anything unusual about the daughter? Or about the way she was born (other than being 10 days late)? Is she perfectly healthy? Does she have any disability or medical condition?
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Booklover
Sorry about my typo in the first question; I must have typed with my eyes crossed! Regarding the birthday, I meant to ask if Richard was murdered before his daughter had her birthday. No worries! but irrelevant

Enjay
Did Richard actually make a bet? Yes, of sorts Or was he gambling in the sense that he took a risk which paid off? Not this Anything to do with a game? It could be called a game The stock market? No
If the girl had been born just one day late would he still have got his fortune? A much lesser fortune If she had been born early? ditto If she had been a boy? Yes Is there anything unusual about the daughter? No Or about the way she was born (other than being 10 days late)? No Is she perfectly healthy? Yes Does she have any disability or medical condition? No
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Is it relevant when in the year his daughter has her birthday? Like as, it should have been in one year, in December, but she was actually born the next year, in January?
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Is it relevant when in the year his daughter has her birthday? Yes Like as, it should have been in one year, in December, but she was actually born the next year, in January? this would work, but equally, if she'd been due in February and born in March, etc.
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Not sure if we have covered this: is he married to the girl's mother? If not, was he married to her when the girl was born?
Did he make the bet shortly before the girl was born? Or a while before? If so, before the woman got pregnant? eg, he bet that his firstborn child would be born in March?
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Enjay
Not sure if we have covered this: is he married to the girl's mother? Yes If not, was he married to her when the girl was born?
Did he make the bet shortly before the girl was born? Or a while before? If so, before the woman got pregnant? no to all, it was shortly before he got rich and was murdered eg, he bet that his firstborn child would be born in March? No. Remember, 'bet' could be misleading; while it is definitely 'gambling', it's not generally referred to as a bet
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If he had not won the fortune, would he have had to pay? When he gambled, did he know his daughter had been born early? Is the thing he gambled on at all connected to her being early?
Anything like of a group of gamblers, the first one to become a father won? Any kind of lottery? Raffle? A game of chance?
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Enjay
If he had not won the fortune, would he have had to pay? Only the fee required when doing it When he gambled, did he know his daughter had been born early? She was late :-) but irrel Is the thing he gambled on at all connected to her being early? Yope
Anything like of a group of gamblers, the first one to become a father won? Any kind of lottery? THIS!!!!! almost there now I reckon... Raffle? A game of chance?
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OO!!! He used her birthdate as his numbers?? And they came up??
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Enjay
OO!!! He used her birthdate as his numbers?? And they came up?? Bullseye!! Well done, here comes the...

*****SPOILER*****
Lucky (not!) Richard wins the lottery jackpot, with wining numbers including the month and date of his beloved daughter's birthday - who'd been born several days after her due date. Richard's wife has been planning to leave him. She now decides rather than wait for her cut in the divorce, that she'll have the whole lot, thank you very much, so bumps him off.

Had to amend my original puzzle statement of 'A rich man would have survived ...' as obviously, if she'd been on time, he'd have used different numbers and not struck it rich. I promise to exercise more care in future!

Thanks for playing :-)
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Now that's what you call bad luck!
A very clever puzzle! And good fun to solve! I hope it's not a true story though... :-)
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Thanks!! And no, just from my warped imagination. That's both of my puzzles you've solved so far (third one up now!) so I hope you realise the next one you host, I'll be on it like a hawk! ;-)

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