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Logician (Logician)
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Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 1:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If it hadn't been for the psychology lessons, Andrew would not have died.
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Andrew = adult human male?

Did he teach psychology lessons? Attend them?

Did he die of an accident? Murder? Suicide? Illness?

Any other people relevant? Location? Era? Would this puzzle work with 'Andrea' instead of Andrew?
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Andrew = adult human male? yes

Did he teach psychology lessons? no Attend them? yes

Did he die of an accident? no Murder? yes Suicide? no Illness? no

Any other people relevant? yes Location? no Era? not really Would this puzzle work with 'Andrea' instead of Andrew? absolutely, so long as 'Andrea' is human :-)
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Is his death caused by something he learns about psychology? Someone he meets in the class? Is his teacher relevant? Anyone other than the murderer relevant?

Murderer = adult? male? female? Is it someone he knows? Is it relevant how he is murdered? Is the murderer's motive financial? Emotional? Practical? For some other sort of gain on the murderer's part?
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Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 11:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant that the course he took was Psychology?

Any psychological theories relevant?

Did anyone else get murdered?
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Is his death caused by something he learns about psychology? indirectly, yes Someone he meets in the class? no Is his teacher relevant? no Anyone other than the murderer relevant? yes

Murderer = adult? male? female? irrelevant - let's say adult male Is it someone he knows? irr Is it relevant how he is murdered? not really Is the murderer's motive financial? Emotional? Practical? none of these really fit, but "practical" would be closest For some other sort of gain on the murderer's part? yes

Is it relevant that the course he took was Psychology? yes

Any psychological theories relevant? not theories, no

Did anyone else get murdered? yes
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Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 6:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did what he learned, lead him to go somewhere he wouldn't have otherwise? Do something? Say something? Meet someone?

The other victims: 1? 2? More? Were they all murdered together?

Location/era relevant?

This practical-ish motive: was Andrew preventing the killer from achieving something? Would his staying alive have hindered the killer? Was Andrew in his way? Was he a witness to the others' murders?

Any psychological theorists relevant?
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Did what he learned, lead him to go somewhere he wouldn't have otherwise? only in the context of the next answer Do something? yes Say something? no Meet someone? no

The other victims: 1? yes 2? More? so both no... Were they all murdered together? ... and N/A.

(But if you mean, was Andrew and the other victim murdered together - irrelevant).


Location/era relevant? no

This practical-ish motive: was Andrew preventing the killer from achieving something? technically, yes, but would probably be misleading - so no Would his staying alive have hindered the killer? yes, in the context of the next answers Was Andrew in his way? no Was he a witness to the others' murders? yes

Any psychological theorists relevant? No. Maybe it was misleading when I said it wasn't a theory. Personally, I see "psychological theories" as something like Freud's psychodynamic theory, or behaviorism, which try and explain people's actions. Whereas the relevant piece of information here, could be better described as a fact discovered through experimentation.
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Does he discover a fact about himself? Is it in fact correct? (I have heard about psychology students mistakenly misdiagnosing themselves with X Y and Z because they spend so much time studying them!) Does he find out/believe he has a psychological disorder or illness of some kind?

Andrew then does something that leads him to witness a murder, correct? And that's the killer's only motive for his own murder?
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Does he discover a fact about himself? no-ish Is it in fact correct? yes (I have heard about psychology students mistakenly misdiagnosing themselves with X Y and Z because they spend so much time studying them!) I wouldn't be surprised! At college right now, I'm studying Freud's theory of psychosexual development - very easy to get paranoid doing that :-) Does he find out/believe he has a psychological disorder or illness of some kind? no

Andrew then does something that leads him to witness a murder, correct? yes And that's the killer's only motive for his own murder? correct
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Are there other people relevant? Is the other victim relevant? Is the fact he learns, about someone he knows? in his family? something that could be hereditary?
Is any kind of psychological disorder relevant?
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Are there other people relevant? other than Andrew, the murderer and the first murder victim? No. Is the other victim relevant? only in her 2D role as "the murderer's first victim" Is the fact he learns, about someone he knows? in his family? something that could be hereditary? FA...

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Does he discover a fact about himself no-ish - the answer should be no

Is any kind of psychological disorder relevant? no
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Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 10:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, he learns something about psychology... does it interest him? scare him? remind him of something? put him off psychology altogether? does he try to find more about it outside class?
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Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 11:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, he learns something about psychology... does it interest him? yes scare him? this especially remind him of something? no put him off psychology altogether? no does he try to find more about it outside class? no
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Does Andrew accidentally witness the murder? Does he stumble upon the murderer and the victim? Is he in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Long shot: Part of Andrew's "experimentation" wouldn't possibly be to see how he reacts when he witnesses something greusome, would it? In other words, was he interested in seeing a murder?

You stated that where he witnesses the murder is irrelevant, correct?
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Maybe he wanted to see the reaction of a murderer when he is caught during the act?
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Does Andrew accidentally witness the murder? yes Does he stumble upon the murderer and the victim? yes, for svv of "stumble" Is he in the wrong place at the wrong time? yes

Long shot: Part of Andrew's "experimentation" wouldn't possibly be to see how he reacts when he witnesses something greusome, would it? good guess, but no - there's an FA here too In other words, was he interested in seeing a murder? still an FA

You stated that where he witnesses the murder is irrelevant, correct? correct

Maybe he wanted to see the reaction of a murderer when he is caught during the act? same FA

Looking back over these set of questions, the FA has just been discovered: Andrew did not intend, or expect, to witness a murder.
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Does Andrew try do apply his newly acquired psychological skills to calm down murderer or to convince him to give himself up instead of running away from danger?
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Does Andrew try do apply his newly acquired psychological skills to calm down murderer or to convince him to give himself up instead of running away from danger? no
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So (according to strongplacebo's question) Something that Andrew learned in his psychology class led him to do something that he wouldn't have otherwise. Did he try to stop the murder in any way?

Was the murderer aware (at the time of the first murder), that Andrew had witnessed it? did the murderer find out later? days later? much later?

How soon after the first murder was Andrew himself murdered? immediately? days later? much later?
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Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 11:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anything to do with "would you press this button if it killed someone" where the button normally isn't connected up?
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was the thing he learned in class that led him to do something he wouldn't have otherwise done anything to do with murder? or something to do with going to a new place? trying to meet new people?
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So (according to strongplacebo's question) Something that Andrew learned in his psychology class led him to do something that he wouldn't have otherwise. correct Did he try to stop the murder in any way? no

Was the murderer aware (at the time of the first murder), that Andrew had witnessed it? yes did the murderer find out later? days later? much later? so none of these

How soon after the first murder was Andrew himself murdered? irrelevant - could be instant or planned immediately? days later? much later?

Anything to do with "would you press this button if it killed someone" where the button normally isn't connected up? no

was the thing he learned in class that led him to do something he wouldn't have otherwise done anything to do with murder? not necessarily or something to do with going to a new place? no trying to meet new people? no
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Did the killer know all along Andrew was witnessing the first murder? Did Andrew bring attention to himself for some reason? Did Andrew know he could see him? Are we looking for what Andrew did at the scene of the first murder, or why he came to witness it?
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Did the killer know all along Andrew was witnessing the first murder? not until after the murder itself, no Did Andrew bring attention to himself for some reason? irr Did Andrew know he could see him? yes Are we looking for what Andrew did at the scene of the first murder, or why he came to witness it? YES
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You say this information Andrew learned, scared him somewhat... was it keeping him from sleeping? I'm thinking, did the 1st murder take place at night? And he saw it at a time when he would otherwise have been asleep?
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You say this information Andrew learned, scared him somewhat... was it keeping him from sleeping? perhaps, but irrelevant I'm thinking, did the 1st murder take place at night? And he saw it at a time when he would otherwise have been asleep? v. good lateral thinking - but on this occasion, no
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did the murder take place somewhere Andrew would normally go? somewhere near his home? class? somewhere along the way? did he know the murderer? or victim?
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did the murder take place somewhere Andrew would normally go? yes somewhere near his home? yes class? no somewhere along the way? irrel did he know the murderer? or victim? irrel - though I guess if Andrew knew the murderer, there'd be more of a reason for the murderer to silence him.
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Was the thing that Andrew wouldn't have done if he hadn't learned the thing, going to the place where the murder was committed? Would he other wise have gone there, but at a different time? Or not gone there at all? Or is it something that he did while witnessing the murder? Is it something that made the murderer realise he was there?
Did Andrew do the thing he wouldn't normally do to test this new thing he had found out? To try and prove it wrong? To find out more about it? Or just because he was scared by it? Is it relevant exactly what it was, or just enough that it scared him?
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is the exact place the murder happened relevant? in Andrews street? around the corner from him? did he hear a noise and go to investigate? or was it just happening right there in front of him on the street?
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Was the thing that Andrew wouldn't have done if he hadn't learned the thing, going to the place where the murder was committed? yes, for svv of "place" Would he other wise have gone there, but at a different time? irr Or not gone there at all? unlikely Or is it something that he did while witnessing the murder? apart from watching? no Is it something that made the murderer realise he was there? no
Did Andrew do the thing he wouldn't normally do to test this new thing he had found out? no To try and prove it wrong? yesish To find out more about it? no Or just because he was scared by it? yesish Is it relevant exactly what it was, YES or just enough that it scared him? no, the exact thing is relevant

is the exact place the murder happened relevant? yes in Andrews street? YES around the corner from him? no did he hear a noise and go to investigate? YES!! or was it just happening right there in front of him on the street? no
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so if he normally heard a noise he wouldn't have gone out to check? but in his class he had heard that most people don't try to help out if they hear something which might be dangerous going on? so for once he decided to be a good samaritan? and ended up killed for it?
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Sorry for taking so long to reply - I could've sworn I'd answered this...

so if he normally heard a noise he wouldn't have gone out to check? but in his class he had heard that most people don't try to help out if they hear something which might be dangerous going on? so for once he decided to be a good samaritan? and ended up killed for it? EXACTLY! The psychological term for it is "bystander apathy", and that constitutes a *** SPOILER *** !

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