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Tobasi (Tobasi)
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Some of you might have heard of this nice practical puzzle before, I don't know who made it up. I saw it on british TV and the solution is certainly not google proof (so please don't spoyl). If you haven't heard of this one try it out at home and I will answer your questions.

You need an empty transparent wine bottle. Push the cork of the bottle inside so that it is trapped. Using only objects you can find in a kitchen, how can you get out the cork again (without breaking cork or bottle)?
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I haven't heard this one, so I'll give it a try:
here are a few kitchen items:
paperclip?
corkscrew?
steak knife? other type of knife?

way to use item:
paperclip--straighten out/hook into the cork?
corkscrew--twist into cork and pull out?
steak knife--slide into cork and twist while pulling out?
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I assume that the cork has to come out in one piece? Is anything sharp inserted into the cork? Does it have to be a natural cork for this to work (as opposed to those modern non-oxidising corks)?
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Hello Booklover:
here are a few kitchen items:
paperclip?
corkscrew?
steak knife? other type of knife?
none of these items, I'm afraid

way to use item:
paperclip--straighten out/hook into the cork? I think that the paperclip wouldn't be strong enough to outweigh the friction.
corkscrew--twist into cork and pull out? The helix of a corkscrew is in general not longer than neck of a bottle and even so you would have to immobilise the cork.
steak knife--slide into cork and twist while pulling out? The same as for the paperclip I guess.

Hello Woodworm:
I assume that the cork has to come out in one piece? correct
Is anything sharp inserted into the cork? no
Does it have to be a natural cork for this to work (as opposed to those modern non-oxidising corks)? Both of them would work.
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would the item be a:

kitchen tool--like one you would find in a drawer?
item from refrigerator?
item from freezer?
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would the item be a:

kitchen tool--like one you would find in a drawer? possibly
item from refrigerator? no
item from freezer? no
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Water is used at all ?
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Water is used at all ? no water is used
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Is the bottle heated?
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Is the bottle heated? no
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so, if nothing sharp went into the cork, did something dull go into the cork?

does something actually penetrate the cork? if so, do you push the item through the cork or just into the cork?

is there a twisting motion used to get the cork out? pulling motion?

how many items do you use to get the cork out?
1? 2? 3 or more?

hmmmm...doesn't have anything to do with magnets, does it? like putting something metallic on the cork and pulling it out with a strong magnet?

am I correct in my assumption that you have to hold the bottle with one hand while using the tool?
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Does the process involve shrinking the cork in some way?
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so, if nothing sharp went into the cork, did something dull go into the cork? no

does something actually penetrate the cork? no
if so, do you push the item through the cork or just into the cork? n/a

is there a twisting motion used to get the cork out? no
pulling motion? yes

how many items do you use to get the cork out?
1? this 2? 3 or more?

hmmmm...doesn't have anything to do with magnets, does it? no
like putting something metallic on the cork and pulling it out with a strong magnet? so no

am I correct in my assumption that you have to hold the bottle with one hand while using the tool? yes

Does the process involve shrinking the cork in some way? Pushing the cork in it has to shrink in a way to get it through the neck. The same holds for the way you get it out again. But the shrinking is more a consequence there is no active or permanent shrinking involved.
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is a liquid put into the bottle? a gas?
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is a liquid put into the bottle? no a gas? no
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So, using regular kitchen items... Is something like a sling put into it and then pulled out? A regular winebottle, only one hole?
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Would you lie the bottle on its side in order that the cork can lie end upward (no use trying to pull it through sideways) and add superglue to something narrow enough to get through the neck but wide enough to pull the cork back through once the glue is firm?
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So, using regular kitchen items... Is something like a sling put into it and then pulled out? noish, but on the right track
A regular winebottle, only one hole? yes

Would you lie the bottle on its side in order that the cork can lie end upward (no use trying to pull it through sideways) and add superglue to something narrow enough to get through the neck but wide enough to pull the cork back through once the glue is firm? This might work but there is a simpler solution without glue.
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Is anything sticky involved? Is anything attached to the cork in any way?
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Is anything sticky involved? no
Is anything attached to the cork in any way? no, not in an active way
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Is enought force applied to pull the cork out against the friction? Or is it done in a different way, eg by somehow enlarging the neck of the bottle?
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Is enought force applied to pull the cork out against the friction? yes
Or is it done in a different way, eg by somehow enlarging the neck of the bottle? no
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Is the pressure within the bottle used to force the cork out?

i.e: An acid/base reaction used to produce carbon dioxide gas within the bottle?

For example, if I were to try doing that, I'd pour vinegar into the bottle, followed by some sodium bicarbonate and then quickly turn the bottle upside down. It'd make a mess, but it'd get the cork out!
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Is the pressure within the bottle used to force the cork out? no

i.e: An acid/base reaction used to produce carbon dioxide gas within the bottle?

For example, if I were to try doing that, I'd pour vinegar into the bottle, followed by some sodium bicarbonate and then quickly turn the bottle upside down. It'd make a mess, but it'd get the cork out!
I wonder if this could work. You would have to clamp the cork somehow in the neck because otherwise it would float on the mixture (the bottle being upside down).
Anyway there is a way to get it out without making a mess. The process is a little bit tricky but the tool is something that all of you use every day (even if you are not in the cork in the bottle situation).
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is the tool an item of cutlery? something used in cooking? is it larger than a spoon?
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is the tool an item of cutlery? no
something used in cooking? no
is it larger than a spoon? yes
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umm can't really think of anything larger than a spoon not used for cooking that I use every day... maybe a tin opener? some sort of china? bowl? plate? not sure how any of those could help get a cork out tho
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umm can't really think of anything larger than a spoon not used for cooking that I use every day... maybe a tin opener? no
some sort of china? no bowl? no plate? no
not sure how any of those could help get a cork out tho you don't find this item exclusively in the kitchen
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I know one way, but I'm not sure if it's the one you're thinking of.....mine involves an item found mostly in supermarkets.
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I know one way, but I'm not sure if it's the one you're thinking of.....mine involves an item found mostly in supermarkets. I think that this is the item I am looking for.
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Is the item made of plastic? Wood? Metal? Is it a carrier bag?
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Is the item made of plastic? yes Wood? Metal? Is it a carrier bag? yes
So how do you have to use it?
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Do you put the bag into the bottle, tip it upside down, then take the bag with the cork out?
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Do you put the bag into the bottle, tip it upside down, then take the bag with the cork out?
Yes, more or less. If nobody wants to add anything or to try out at home I will spoyl.
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Foulglory: Kinda need help wiht additions. Is it relevant how you get the bag in so the cork is not underneath it?
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Foulglory: Kinda need help wiht additions.OK

By the way, I think that you can also put the bag in, get the cork side by side with the bag and inflate the bag. Then, pull it out. It will come out with the bag.
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------------SPOILER------------

There is also a nice film on youtube.

Thank you for playing. This may be useful to you one day, say to send a message in a bottle from a lonely island.
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Good puzzle. For some reason, I kept thinking the cork was in the bottle but lodged in the neck. Thanks for the video--I do much better with visuals! I'll have to try this!
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This deals with taking it out, so how would this help with sending a message?
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Well...you're stuck on a desert island with nothing but a bottle (and a carrier bag), but unfortunately someone has pushed the cork into it! What do you do? :-)
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Some paper and a pencil would be useful too. Otherwise all the magic would be in vain...

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