| Author | Message | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 427 Registered: 4-2007 |
He scored. They groaned. Then a few of them began cheering | ||
| Deathateaster (Deathateaster)
New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2007 |
A foot ball match? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 429 Registered: 4-2007 |
A foot ball match? Yes | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 428 Registered: 1-2007 |
Would send e-mail in case this early guess is right but your's is hidden on your profile. Was this pele's goal during the film "Escape to Victory". I recall the germans not cheering at first but appluading by the end. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 432 Registered: 4-2007 |
Would send e-mail in case this early guess is right but your's is hidden on your profile. Don't worry...I'm expecting this to go fast, but... Was this pele's goal during the film "Escape to Victory". I recall the germans not cheering at first but appluading by the end. Nope, sorry. Never seen that film though | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 197 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was it an onsides goal? He scored against his own goalie, his team groaned, and then a few (of the rivals) started clapping because they now had a point? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 198 Registered: 4-2007 |
oops...I mean "own goal" not onsides goal--typing too fast!. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 434 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was it an onsides goal? Yes...it's an own goal anyway :-) He scored against his own goalie, his team groaned Yes, and then a few (of the rivals) started clapping because they now had a point? But not this | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 435 Registered: 4-2007 |
Oh, by the way, this is probably clear but since this is an international forum I should point it out: we're talking real football here, not American football :-) | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 199 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did the goal end up counting (for the other team)? or was the point removed? Did the refees review the play overturn the decision to reward the rival team with a point? Did his teammates cheer? Did the rival team cheer? Did his coach cheer? Did the rivals' coach cheer? Did his supporters in the stands cheer? Did the rivals' supporters in the stands cheer? Was the game rigged in any way? Did he score against his own team on purpose? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 436 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did the goal end up counting (for the other team)? Yes or was the point removed? No Did the refees review the play overturn the decision to reward the rival team with a point? No Did his teammates cheer? Did the rival team cheer? Did his coach cheer? Did the rivals' coach cheer? Did his supporters in the stands cheer? Did the rivals' supporters in the stands cheer? The "they" and "them" in the puzzle statement refers to his team's supporters. Was the game rigged in any way? No Did he score against his own team on purpose? Yes | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 200 Registered: 4-2007 |
was he paid off? was he upset at his team? team members? did he want to get kicked off the team? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 437 Registered: 4-2007 |
was he paid off? was he upset at his team? team members? did he want to get kicked off the team? No to all | ||
| Deathateaster (Deathateaster)
New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 16 Registered: 5-2007 |
Was he made to do it, therefor explaining why some cheered, having completed the challenge? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 438 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was he made to do it, therefor explaining why some cheered, having completed the challenge? No | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 541 Registered: 9-2003 |
did he do something after scoring the goal? did they cheer because they thought he had done something good? had he? or was it more of a sarcastic cheer? did they cheer because of something someone else did? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 442 Registered: 4-2007 |
did he do something after scoring the goal? No did they cheer because they thought he had done something good? Yes had he? Yes or was it more of a sarcastic cheer? No did they cheer because of something someone else did? No | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 455 Registered: 6-2001 |
Does the away goal rule apply here? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 404 Registered: 10-2004 |
Did the opposing team just do the same thing moments before, and thus he was being a good sport in "levelling" the score (or difference)? | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 140 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the game played for charity? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 444 Registered: 4-2007 |
Tsoram1970 Does the away goal rule apply here? Not sure what that is...I don't think so, but please clarify to be on the safe side Zenith Did the opposing team just do the same thing moments before, and thus he was being a good sport in "levelling" the score (or difference)? No Emeraldink Was the game played for charity? No | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 458 Registered: 6-2001 |
The away goal rule is used in some competitions, where instead of meeting once, the teams play each other twice, once at each of the home grounds. In the event of a draw after the two matches, away goals count as double. My reasoning was that he had scored a goal (for some gentlemanly, sportsman like reason) which would not stop his team from going on in the competition, and yet natural justice had been satisfied. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 448 Registered: 4-2007 |
The away goal rule is used in some competitions, where instead of meeting once, the teams play each other twice, once at each of the home grounds. In the event of a draw after the two matches, away goals count as double. My reasoning was that he had scored a goal (for some gentlemanly, sportsman like reason) which would not stop his team from going on in the competition, and yet natural justice had been satisfied. Ah, I see...but that's not it | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 461 Registered: 6-2001 |
was natural justice served? is the match a one off or part of a competition? a friendly? League? group stage? elimination rounds? Oh OH! if we are at the group stage... does this own goal mean a potentially easy route through the elimination stage... eg England score an own goal so that they meet Spain and not Brazil in the next round? is a record involved? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 451 Registered: 4-2007 |
was natural justice served? If you mean did his scoring the goal somehow make the match fairer, then no is the match a one off or part of a competition? a friendly? League? group stage? elimination rounds? It was in a cup competition, and the game was to decide who progressed to the next round Oh OH! if we are at the group stage... does this own goal mean a potentially easy route through the elimination stage... eg England score an own goal so that they meet Spain and not Brazil in the next round? No, but excellent tactical thinking! is a record involved? No | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 463 Registered: 6-2001 |
just to clarify the game is a knock out one.. the team that loses is out of the cup? Is the score at the time of the goal relevant? if so please consider a list of all possible scores posted | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 452 Registered: 4-2007 |
just to clarify the game is a knock out one.. the team that loses is out of the cup? Yes though there's a little more to it than that Is the score at the time of the goal relevant? if so please consider a list of all possible scores posted It could be any, so long as the own-goal-scorer's team was up by one goal (it was actually 2-1) | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 464 Registered: 6-2001 |
Hmm... more to it...So more happens to the losing team than being nocked out of the competition? more happens to the winning team than progressing to the next round? Is justice served in another way than making the game fairer? ie previous meetings relevant? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 454 Registered: 4-2007 |
Hmm... more to it...So more happens to the losing team than being nocked out of the competition? more happens to the winning team than progressing to the next round? Neither, but there's a little more to deciding who goes through than simply who wins. Perhaps that should have been a yope or yesish. Is justice served in another way than making the game fairer? ie previous meetings relevant? No to both | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 466 Registered: 6-2001 |
Ok. let's examine this... call the teams Chelsea and Man U... Chelsea the team that scores an own goal. Chelsea could lose and still go through? could draw and still go through? must win? Same for Man U... results of any other matches relvant? does scoring an own goal guarantee that Chelsea progress? that Man U progress | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 902 Registered: 3-2006 |
Just to clarify: is this a straight knockout format tournament? Or does it include groups or such, like the world cup? Are we at the quarter-finals? Semi-finals? Pre-quarter-final stage? Would the own-goal scoring team play the same team in the next round if they won this match 2-0? Is the tournament linked in some way to another tournament, like the Cup Winner's Cup or such? Is this a one-leg match? Are aggregates relevant? Is goal difference relevant? Would the losing team in this match be angry or feel that gamesmanship had been used? Does the side in question actually WANT to go through to the next round? If, after the own goal, the other team scored, making it 2-2, would that ruin the plan of the own-goal scorer? Was the own goal scored in the dying minutes of the game? If you were an official, would you consider changing the rules of the tournament in the light of this own goal? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 455 Registered: 4-2007 |
Tsoram Ok. let's examine this... call the teams Chelsea and Man U... Chelsea the team that scores an own goal. That's fine Chelsea could lose and still go through? could draw and still go through? must win? No...its more that they could win yet still not go through Same for Man U... They could lose and still go through, I think results of any other matches relvant? Indirectly, yes does scoring an own goal guarantee that Chelsea progress? that Man U progress It doesn't guarantee anything, but makes it more likely that Chelsea progress Woodworm Just to clarify: is this a straight knockout format tournament? Or does it include groups or such, like the world cup? Are we at the quarter-finals? Semi-finals? Pre-quarter-final stage? To be honest I’m not sure-basically one of the teams playing in this match will go through, the other will not. Both teams want to go through. Would the own-goal scoring team play the same team in the next round if they won this match 2-0? No, but who they will be playing if they get through is not relevant Is the tournament linked in some way to another tournament, like the Cup Winner's Cup or such? No Is this a one-leg match? The teams will only play each other once…is that what this means? Are aggregates relevant? No Is goal difference relevant? Yes Would the losing team in this match be angry or feel that gamesmanship had been used? They might well feel annoyed, yes Does the side in question actually WANT to go through to the next round? They both do If, after the own goal, the other team scored, making it 2-2, would that ruin the plan of the own-goal scorer? After the own goal the score was 2-2 (remember that before the own goal, the own-goal-scorer was winning 2-1). If the other team then scored, making it 3-2 to them, this would ruin the own-goal-scorer’s plan Was the own goal scored in the dying minutes of the game? Yes If you were an official, would you consider changing the rules of the tournament in the light of this own goal? Possibly, though the rules seem pretty stupid to me anyway | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 471 Registered: 6-2001 |
Just so I have it right... A draw (2-2) makes it more likely that Chelsea progress? A victory (2-1 or 3-2) makes it less likely, but still possible? How many other matches are involved? (consider list of numbers posted) | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 456 Registered: 4-2007 |
Just so I have it right... A draw (2-2) makes it more likely that Chelsea progress? Correct A victory (2-1 or 3-2) makes it less likely, but still possible? if one of these were the score, then Chelsea would definitely not go through. However, there are other winning scores which would mean Chelsea definitely went through (so one of these scores would be more desirable for Chelsea than the draw) How many other matches are involved? (consider list of numbers posted)Could be any number, but goal difference is relevant, so previous matches are what made the goal difference what it is | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 473 Registered: 6-2001 |
So Chelsea need to have one more goal scored against them to progress? and the player ensured this by scoring it? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 457 Registered: 4-2007 |
So Chelsea need to have one more goal scored against them to progress? and the player ensured this by scoring it? In this situation, yes, but had the scores been different then the own-goal-scorer (who I will now call Timothy, if that's all right) might not have scored the own goal | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 475 Registered: 6-2001 |
OK would chelsea qualify if : 1-0? 1-1? 2-1? 3-2? 3-3? 4-2? 4-3? 4-4? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 458 Registered: 4-2007 |
OK would chelsea qualify if : I am assuming you mean the scores at the end of the game here, and that the score listed first is the one that Chelsea finished with. If you mean something else, I will repost the answers 1-0? No 1-1? Possibly...it depends on something else 2-1? No 3-2? No 3-3? Possibly (see above) 4-2? Yes 4-3? No 4-4? Possibly (see above) | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 478 Registered: 6-2001 |
So is it the case that if chelsea win by just one goal then they go out? If they draw they go into a playoff for the last spot in the next round? If they win by more than one goal they qualify automatically? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 460 Registered: 4-2007 |
So is it the case that if chelsea win by just one goal then they go out? Yes If they draw they go into a playoff for the last spot in the next round? Not a playoff If they win by more than one goal they qualify automatically? Yes, they had to win by at least two goals in oder to qualify | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 480 Registered: 6-2001 |
so if they draw something else happens? or is their qualification a result of something else that has happened? is happening at the same time? another match? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 481 Registered: 6-2001 |
if they draw might they still qualify for the same competition? or would they be netered into another competition? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 462 Registered: 4-2007 |
so if they draw something else happens? yes or is their qualification a result of something else that has happened? nois happening at the same time? another match? no to both | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 907 Registered: 3-2006 |
Oh I think I might have this: if they draw, the game goes to extra time, and Chelsea get a chance to win by two clear goals, which they need to qualify on goal difference. Is that it? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 463 Registered: 4-2007 |
Oh I think I might have this: if they draw, the game goes to extra time, and Chelsea get a chance to win by two clear goals, which they need to qualify on goal difference. Is that it? Very close but not extra time...there is a partcular rule in place here which I don't think is a usual one | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 908 Registered: 3-2006 |
A replay? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 464 Registered: 4-2007 |
A replay? No | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 910 Registered: 3-2006 |
A penalty shoot-out? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 466 Registered: 4-2007 |
A penalty shoot-out? Yes! The only detail left now is the rule which was the reason Chelsea were so desperate to get to a penalty shoot-out | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 912 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was it that the penalty shoot-out would have allowed them to win by two clear goals, if each penalty counts as a goal (which I believe it does)? So let's say that Chelsea need to win by two clear goals: 2-1 sees them go out, but 2-2 allows them a slim chance if they can save two (or more) penalties and end up winning, say, 7-5, 6-4 or better? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 468 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was it that the penalty shoot-out would have allowed them to win by two clear goals, if each penalty counts as a goal (which I believe it does)? So let's say that Chelsea need to win by two clear goals: 2-1 sees them go out, but 2-2 allows them a slim chance if they can save two (or more) penalties and end up winning, say, 7-5, 6-4 or better? This is very very close-they did need to win by two clear goals, but they didn't get a goal per penalty | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 914 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the outcome of the shootout deemed to count as two (or more) goals, whoever won and by whatever margin? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 470 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the outcome of the shootout deemed to count as two (or more) goals, whoever won and by whatever margin? Yep and I think that's enough for a... ********************SPOILER********************** Two teams (Chelsea and Man U as we named them but actually Barbados and Grenada) were playing in a cup competition. Barbados needed to win by two goals (or more) in oder to progress to the next round. With 5 minutes to go, Barbados were winning 2-1 (and therefore headed out of the competition as they needed to win by two goals). Realising that they were unlikely to score against the well-defended Grenada in 5 minutes, they turned round and scored an own goal to bring the game to penalties (because of the rule stating that if a game went to penalties, the winner would be awarded a 2-0 victory regardless of the score before penalties, Barbados figured they had at least a chance to win if it went to penalties). Grenada realised this and attempted to score an own goal themsleves, but Barbados began defending Grenada's goal. For the last few minutes of the game, the spectators then got to watch Barbados defending both goals, while Grenada tried to score at either end, and goalkeepers tried to throw the ball into their own net. Granada failed to score an own goal so the game went to penalties which Barbados won, thus giving them a 2-0 victory and allowing them to qualify for the next round. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 471 Registered: 4-2007 |
(Oh, and in case it wasn't clear, the crowd would have groaned as he scored the own goal, until the cleverer ones realised the plan and began cheering) | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 916 Registered: 3-2006 |
Hahaha, I never even thought of that part: that the other side would then start trying to score an own goal themselves. I wish I'd seen the game. How on earth would you stop a goalie throwing the ball into his own net? Priceless. | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 483 Registered: 6-2001 |
Absolutely priceless.... any videos of the game???? Good quiz! | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 492 Registered: 4-2007 |
I don't know...I wasn't there or anything, I found the story on snopes.com and thought it deserved a puzzle! |
