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Woubit (Woubit)
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Something had to give
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did something give?
regarding physical weight?
is a cow involved?
1 person?
several people?
was there an overload of something?
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Hello! Long time no read.

Is the title relevant?

"Something": a situation? a physical object? a non-tangible thing? a position?

"Had to give":
needed to yield physically? yield emotionally? yield intellectually? yield morally?

was going to yield? (same variations, please?)

needed to provide?

Was it inevitable that something give? desirable? undesirable?
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did something give? yes
regarding physical weight? no
is a cow involved? no
1 person?
several people? this one
was there an overload of something? no

Is the title relevant? obscurely

"Something": a situation? a physical object? a non-tangible thing? this is closest a position?

"Had to give":
needed to yield physically? yield emotionally? yield intellectually? yield morally? none of those

was going to yield? (same variations, please?) same answer

needed to provide? no

Was it inevitable that something give? yes desirable? undesirable? neither
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2 people involved? 3? 4? 5?

any crimes? vehicles? does something take place outside? are colours relevant? job relevant? jobs? any hobbies relevant?
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Ah yes, I wrote The Purple Cow,
I'm sorry now I wrote it;
But I can tell you, anyhow,
I'll kill you if you quote it!


Was a deadlock between two parties involved? And was inevitable that it could not continue indefinately?

Or does 'give' refer to literally giving something?

Wild Guesses: Are any of the following relevent?
Chocolate
Nuclear Fusion
Economics
Mobile Phone networks
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2 people involved? 3? 4? 5? all of these, and a great many more

any crimes? yope, but the LTPF List of Crimes will not avail you here vehicles? yes does something take place outside? yes are colours relevant? yes, obscurely job relevant? yes, for svv of "job" jobs? any hobbies relevant? no

Ah yes, I wrote The Purple Cow,
I'm sorry now I wrote it;
But I can tell you, anyhow,
I'll kill you if you quote it! bonus marks for weightless poetry, but wrong colour


Was a deadlock between two parties involved? yes, for svv of "parties" And was inevitable that it could not continue indefinately? it had to be resolved one way or another

Or does 'give' refer to literally giving something? no

Wild Guesses: Are any of the following relevent?
Chocolate
Nuclear Fusion
Economics
Mobile Phone networks none of the above, but an interesting set of guesses
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red? orange? yellow? green? blue? indigo? violet?
was there a change after something gave?

can we group the involved people?
world? nation? race? religion? belief? political affiliation?

did a group of peopple disagree with another group of people?
was there a resolution?
before the resolution, was there war? opression? a form of battle?

current events significant?
written history sig.?
fiction? literature? mythology?
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red? orange? yellow? this one green? blue? indigo? violet?
was there a change after something gave? no

can we group the involved people? yes
world? nation? race? religion? belief? political affiliation? none of the above

did a group of peopple disagree with another group of people? yesish
was there a resolution? yes
before the resolution, was there war? opression? a form of battle? none of these

current events significant? yes
written history sig.? yes, for svv of "history"
fiction? literature? mythology? none of these
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Is this thing tangible? literally yellow, or more like "yellow press"?

Are two groups of people teams? competitors? collaborators? formal groups?

Do two groups do similar things? make similar things? different but complementary things?
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is there geographical relevance?
did it make the news?
is yellow symbolic in the puzzle?
explore time periods?
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Is this thing tangible? literally yellow, or more like "yellow press"? the thing that is yellow is certainly tangible

Are two groups of people teams? one of them consists of people who are members of several teams competitors? and those teams are engaged in a competition, though not with the other group of people collaborators? no formal groups? the second group of people may very vaguely be described as a "formal group"

Do two groups do similar things? no make similar things? no different but complementary things? no

is there geographical relevance? yes indeed
did it make the news? yes
is yellow symbolic in the puzzle? yes
explore time periods? the events of this puzzle took place exactly three days ago
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quote:

written history sig.? yes, for svv of "history"




written speculation about a historical era? prehistory? cavemen? the whole 'did Cro Magnon and Neanderthal man coexist/interbreed/fight" debate?
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Does yellow refer to New York taxis? Taxis in another American city? School buses? Submarines? Giant rubber duckies on wheels?
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anything to do with the "Latin Mass" story?
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bicycling important? tour de france, maybe? peloton as the members of the group? yellow, meaning yellow jersey? are the teams in competition the bicyclists? haven't watched it yet this year, but does it have to do with the members of the peloton chasing down the members in the lead? was the one who ended up winning the yellow jersey so far ahead that the members of the peloton gave up? couldn't catch up?
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Does yellow refer to New York taxis? Taxis in another American city? School buses? Submarines? Giant rubber duckies on wheels? to none of these, but help is at hand...


anything to do with the "Latin Mass" story? no, but a most ingenious piece of thinking

bicycling important? tour de france, maybe? exactly and precisely so - well done peloton as the members of the group? no yellow, meaning yellow jersey? indeed - that is the significance of the title are the teams in competition the bicyclists? no haven't watched it yet this year, but does it have to do with the members of the peloton chasing down the members in the lead? no was the one who ended up winning the yellow jersey so far ahead that the members of the peloton gave up? couldn't catch up? nothing like this
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have anything to do with steroids or other performance enhancing drugs?
floyd landis important?
fact floyd swears he didn't take anything but results came back positive important?
any other riders important? lance armstrong? jan ulrich? any other riders of past important? any riders important who are riding in 2007 tour de france?
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have anything to do with steroids or other performance enhancing drugs? nothing at all
floyd landis important? he may be, but not to this puzzle
fact floyd swears he didn't take anything but results came back positive important? no
any other riders important? lance armstrong? jan ulrich? any other riders of past important? any riders important who are riding in 2007 tour de france? the riders themselves - past or present- are of no importance whatsoever
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I'd e-mail you with a possible $poiler, but I can't seem to find an e-mail address, so I suppose I'll content myself with asking a couple of obfuscated questions to see whether I'm on the right track...

Would the title of the puzzle be more appropriate if another animal was substituted back for "cow"? Would you still have set this puzzle if video tape didn't exist at all?
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Would the title of the puzzle be more appropriate if another animal was substituted back for "cow"? no - the idea of the title was simply to provide a clue for the phrase "yellow jersey" Would you still have set this puzzle if video tape didn't exist at all? yes
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OK then, my idea doesn't pan out, and I will continue to mull this one over...

Are the teams in competition the journalists who were covering the Tour? the news stations who had sent people to cover it? The sponsoring entities of the various bike teams?
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Are the teams in competition the journalists who were covering the Tour? no the news stations who had sent people to cover it? no The sponsoring entities of the various bike teams? noish - but to an extent, the "sponsoring entities" may be said to form one of the groups in competition with another group altogether
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Is the competition with another event? In London? In France? Another sporting event?
A non-sporting event? Are the groups competing for publicity? Money? Does it have anything to do with traffic and all the roads in central London blocked off?
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Is the competition with another event? no In London? In France? Another sporting event?
A non-sporting event? Are the groups competing for publicity? Money? Does it have anything to do with traffic yes and all the roads in central London blocked off? no
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Were the cars and the bikes competing in some way? For the use of the roads? Had they come to a standstill?

Or did this have anything to do with how the cars got from England to France? Did they go by ferry? Is this relevant?
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I mean how the bikes got to France.
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congestion charge in London relevant?
the fact that bicycles are exempted from it?
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Were the cars and the bikes competing in some way? no - the bikes were not involved in this "competition" at all For the use of the roads? Had they come to a standstill?

Or did this have anything to do with how the cars got from England to France? no Did they go by ferry? yes Is this relevant? no

congestion charge in London relevant? no
the fact that bicycles are exempted from it? no
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Did the relevant event take place in England? In France? on Mars?
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Did the relevant event take place in England? this one In France? on Mars?
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the thing that "had to give"--were they ideas? ideals? opinions?

royal party involved at all?--were they possibly one of the groups?--the formal group?

was there an argument about having the tour start in England? was there an argument about having the tour in England at all?
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the thing that "had to give"--were they ideas? this is closest ideals? opinions?

royal party involved at all? no --were they possibly one of the groups?--the formal group?

was there an argument about having the tour start in England? no was there an argument about having the tour in England at all? no
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Attempt at partial RECAP
(Also part clarification)

Cow = Jersey & different colour = yellow. Hence: Yellow Jersey?

Yellow Jersey simply refers us to the the Tour de France 2007?

A situation connected with the TdF involves two groups - the sponsoring entities and a group of competitors (not the cyclists). ?

The relevant event took place on the 8th July in England?

It involves traffic?

The thing that had to give is non tangible?

My actual questions

The location in England - Kent? London?
Medway?
Maidstone?
Tunbridge Wells?
Ashford
Canterbury?
Hadlow?
Tonbridge?
Gillingham?
Rochester?
Gravesend?
Dartford?
Erith?
Woolwich?
Greenwich?
Deptford?
West Minster?
Chatham?
Quarry Hill?
Southborough?
Goudhurst?
Cranbrook?
Tenterden?
Bethersden?
Aldington?
Sellinge?
Farthing Common?
Stelling Minnis?

Somewhere in-between two of the above?
If so which two? :-)

The traffic - where you in it?
Were the competitors drivers?

Is the traffic, road traffic?
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Attempt at partial RECAP
(Also part clarification)

Cow = Jersey & different colour = yellow. Hence: Yellow Jersey? indeed

Yellow Jersey simply refers us to the the Tour de France 2007? exactly and precisely so

A situation connected with the TdF involves two groups - the sponsoring entities and a group of competitors (not the cyclists). ? couldn't have put it better myself

The relevant event took place on the 8th July in England? Holmes, you amaze me

It involves traffic? it does

The thing that had to give is non tangible? it is

My actual questions

The location in England - Kent? London? both of these
Medway?
Maidstone?
Tunbridge Wells?
Ashford
Canterbury?
Hadlow?
Tonbridge?
Gillingham?
Rochester?
Gravesend?
Dartford?
Erith?
Woolwich?
Greenwich?
Deptford?
West Minster?
Chatham?
Quarry Hill?
Southborough?
Goudhurst?
Cranbrook?
Tenterden?
Bethersden?
Aldington?
Sellinge?
Farthing Common?
Stelling Minnis? all of these

Somewhere in-between two of the above? and this as well
If so which two? :-)

The traffic - were you in it? no
Were the competitors drivers? one of the "competing" groups consisted of drivers

Is the traffic, road traffic? yes
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Was this a form of protest?
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We have two groups of competitors: Car Drivers and Sponsors?
Are there more?
If so:
Did other competitor groups include..
Police?
Local residents?
Politicians?
The Press?
Spectators?
Others?

Any issues emenating from the race organisation relevant?

e.g. the route / times / dates?

The thing that had to give, was it an issue prior to the race or did it only emerge at the time on 8th July?
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Was there a dispute involving Kent County Council? Was there a difference of opinion about the proposed route of the TdF? Was the QE2 Bridge involved at all? The Dartford Tunnel? A bypass? A set of cones? Some sort of detour? Another event which clashed with the Tour?
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Are all the competitors human?
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Was this a form of protest? no

We have two groups of competitors: Car Drivers and Sponsors? no, we dont. The "sponsors" are the car drivers - that is to say, they are the drivers of the cars that follow the teams in the Tour de France

Are there more? yes - these drivers are "in competition" with another group of people altogether
If so:
Did other competitor groups include..
Police? possibly
Local residents? no
Politicians? not really
The Press? no
Spectators? no
Others? no

Any issues emenating from the race organisation relevant? very much so

e.g. the route / times / dates? but none of these

The thing that had to give, was it an issue prior to the race or did it only emerge at the time on 8th July? it had been discussed prior to the race

Was there a dispute involving Kent County Council? no Was there a difference of opinion about the proposed route of the TdF? no Was the QE2 Bridge involved at all? The Dartford Tunnel? A bypass? A set of cones? Some sort of detour? Another event which clashed with the Tour? none of those, sorry

Are all the competitors human? yes
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these sponsors who drive the cars--these are the cars with the food/water/extra bikes/wheels/etc that help the bicyclists during the race, correct?

were those who were in competition with the "sponsors" on foot? motorcycle? car?

could those who were in competition with the sponsors possibly be the motorcycle drivers who take video of the race?

did it have anything to do with the fact that the sponsors cannot always be near the riders to assist them(due to traffic and whatnot)?
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these sponsors who drive the cars--these are the cars with the food/water/extra bikes/wheels/etc that help the bicyclists during the race, correct? correct

were those who were in competition with the "sponsors" on foot? motorcycle? car? none of these

could those who were in competition with the sponsors possibly be the motorcycle drivers who take video of the race? no

did it have anything to do with the fact that the sponsors cannot always be near the riders to assist them(due to traffic and whatnot)? no
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Were the others who were in competition with the support-car drivers also providing similar service s to the bike riders?

Were the others volunteering their time? being paid for their time? for their presence? would they get money because they were present? because of something they could do while they were there (free-lance photographers perhaps?)

Were the others in any type of vehicle at all?

Were they affiliated with the race officially? unofficially? with the race as a whole but not the racers? or teams? themselves?

Are we talking about the actual Tour de France? or another bike race in Kent? a race in Kent that wasn't a bike race? an event in Kent that wasn't a race?
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Were the others who were in competition with the support-car drivers also providing similar service s to the bike riders? no

Were the others volunteering their time? being paid for their time? for their presence? would they get money because they were present? none of these - they were not present because of something they could do while they were there (free-lance photographers perhaps?)

Were the others in any type of vehicle at all? no

Were they affiliated with the race officially? unofficially? with the race as a whole but not the racers? or teams? themselves? they had nothing to do with the race whatsoever

Are we talking about the actual Tour de France? yes or another bike race in Kent? a race in Kent that wasn't a bike race? an event in Kent that wasn't a race? none of these
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 8:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Again, I find myself in the familiar position of being totally lost in a woubit puzzle...

These other competitors: Were they part of the media? Politicians? The governing body for the Tour de France?
Woubit (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 12:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

These other competitors: Were they part of the media? no Politicians? Politicians were to an extent involved at some point The governing body for the Tour de France? and so was the governing body of the Tour de France
Rabrab (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 8:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the other competitors acting in their respective official capacities, or as private citizens? Was a boycott? or some other type of protest? involved?

Let me clarify something, please: is the one group of "competitors" the sponsoring entities, or the support car drivers specifically? Both? Neither of those, but something related to the sponsor's support cars? to the drivers?

The relevant event took place during the Tour de France, but in England. Was the competition related to attracting attention away from the TdF and to the event in Kent and London?
Woubit (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 11:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the other competitors acting in their respective official capacities, this is closest or as private citizens? no Was a boycott? or some other type of protest? involved? no

Let me clarify something, please: is the one group of "competitors" the sponsoring entities, or the support car drivers specifically? Both? this one - it is best to think of the "sponsoring entities" and the support car drivers as one and the same Neither of those, but something related to the sponsor's support cars? to the drivers?

The relevant event took place during the Tour de France, but in England. Was the competition related to attracting attention away from the TdF and to the event in Kent and London? no, and it would perhaps help to think of the matter as a "conflict" rather than a "competition" in the sporting sense
Peter365 (Peter365)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 11:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just back from Holidays so forgive me for jumping in

Are traffic laws relevant? anything to do with differences in French & UK road laws? Is driving on the left relevant? insurance? road tax?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 12:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This may be totally off the mark, but there was a recent "art installation" in Ashford, Kent, where an "artist" put up a collection of random road signs at a busy junction, causing at least 12 accidents. Is this relevant?

Were Kent authorities involved? Did it have to do with circumventing traffic laws in Kent? Parking laws? Did the sponsors want to go the wrong way round a one-way system? Driving along a pedestrianised road? Were streets closed off that were necessary for shopping traffic? For bus routes? For emergency vehicles?

Is Kent county as a whole relevant, or is it a specific town in Kent? Motorways relevant?

Did all of the sponsors decide to stop at the same place for a kebab, causing the lamb doner and the Efes to run out?
Rabrab (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 12:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The relevant event is the 203 km stretch between London and Canterbury that the Tour riders covered on the 8th, right?

Conflict rather than competition, you say. That gives me some ideas...

Conflict of interests?
conflict of schedules?
conflict of preferences?
legal conflict? (over trademark? the use of a phrase? or part of a phrase? similarity of logo?)

contractual conflict? did some of the support drivers expect to not be needed in England?

does this have anything to do with driving licenses (French, English, or international?)? driving regulations?
speed limits?
labor regulations?
unions?
Woubit (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 11:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just back from Holidays so forgive me for jumping in well, you seem to have jumped very much in the right direction

Are traffic laws relevant? most certainly anything to do with differences in French & UK road laws? indeed Is driving on the left relevant? exactly and precisely so - see below insurance? road tax?

This may be totally off the mark, but there was a recent "art installation" in Ashford, Kent, where an "artist" put up a collection of random road signs at a busy junction, causing at least 12 accidents. Is this relevant? no, but it is an interesting piece of information

Were Kent authorities involved? not directly Did it have to do with circumventing traffic laws in Kent? yes Parking laws? no Did the sponsors want to go the wrong way round a one-way system? perhaps, but this does not matter Driving along a pedestrianised road? ditto Were streets closed off that were necessary for shopping traffic? For bus routes? For emergency vehicles? all of these, but this also does not matter

Is Kent county as a whole relevant, or is it a specific town in Kent? neither Motorways relevant? no

Did all of the sponsors decide to stop at the same place for a kebab, causing the lamb doner and the Efes to run out? not that is recorded, but it seems to me not unlikely
The relevant event is the 203 km stretch between London and Canterbury that the Tour riders covered on the 8th, right? right

Conflict rather than competition, you say. That gives me some ideas...

Conflict of interests? not really
conflict of schedules? no
conflict of preferences? assuredly
legal conflict? yes (over trademark? the use of a phrase? or part of a phrase? similarity of logo?) but not this kind of thing

contractual conflict? no did some of the support drivers expect to not be needed in England? no

does this have anything to do with driving licenses (French, English, or international?)? driving regulations? yes, indeed - see below
speed limits? no
labor regulations? no
unions? no

Enough has been done above for me to declare a

***** SPOILER *****

The Prologue, Grand Depart and first stage of the 2007 Tour de France were staged in England this year.

The regulations for the Tour de France stipulate that motor vehicles supporting the riders (team cars, sponsors' cars, medical support vehicles and the like) must be driven on the right-hand side of the road.

English law stipulates that on the public highway, motor vehicles must be driven on the left-hand side of the road.

In fact, because the Tour de France is a total shambles (as well as being a joke sporting event in which no one knows the rules and it is determined several days before the finish which drugged cheat will win) everything is driven in the middle of the road anyway. However, in principle at least, something had to give.

Well done everyone, especially Peter.
Peter365 (Peter365)
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 12:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wow can't believe i got that. Couldn't agree more about The Tour which is a modern farce in my opinion. I long for the days of Roche, Kelly,Hinout,Merks, Del Gado et al (although i couldn't swear that they were drug free either) . As a sport lover for me it ranks up there with Formula One as advertising & big business masquerading as sport. It depresses me to see teams with names like T-Mobile flourishing in what used to be the ultimate test of sporting endeavour.

P.s the holiday i've just returned from was....well you've guessed it a Tour of France which i managed to complete without the aid of stimulants unless you count wine that is!!

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