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Never again for 3 reasons
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3 reasons? Athelete's foot relevant? Does someone say that? Are the three reason relevant? Achille's heel?
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3 reasons? yes Athelete's foot relevant? no Does someone say that? twas I Are the three reason relevant? yes Achille's heel? no
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you will never?


Never..
purchase?
sell?
think?
ignore?
want?
discard?
do?
not do?
neglect?
go?
stay?
try?
engage in?
abstain from?
pursue?
help?
hire?
read?
eat/drink?
say?
be?
allow?
exclude?
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you will never? yes me


Never..
purchase? yesish
sell?
think?
ignore?
want?
discard?
do? yesish
not do?
neglect?
go? yesish
stay?
try?
engage in?
abstain from?
pursue?
help?
hire?
read?
eat/drink?
say?
be?
allow?
exclude? no to rest

facinating list BTW
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title relevant? anything to do with sports? tennis?
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Is your experience with this year's Tour de France relevant?
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is there a relevant country where you will never again ___?
did you do this this year? more than once?
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Booklover

title relevant? a cryptic clue anything to do with sports? no tennis? no

Emeraldlink
Is your experience with this year's Tour de France relevant? no

Sixtyeight

is there a relevant country where you will never again ___? yesish
did you do this this year? yes more than once? only once this year but have done so many times in previous years
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you completed a road trip through France recently with your family, correct?
does it have to do with this?
have to do with driving/cars? at all?
with traveling a long distance via car? with wife and kids?
you will never go through a town called Saint-Michel-Chef-Chef again? :0
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quote:

is there a relevant country where you will never again ___? yesish



maybe I can focus this a bit.. is there one relevant country where you last did something which you never want to do again?
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does it involve walking?
doing something "on foot"?
specifically "with feet"?
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quote:
is there a relevant country where you will never again ___? yesish


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maybe I can focus this a bit.. is there one relevant country where you last did something which you never want to do again? not really. I would do this thing again but in a different way. The name of the actual country is not essential to solving
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does it involve walking? no
doing something "on foot"? no
specifically "with feet"? feet are irrelevant
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in the title..

does foot refer to... a part of the body? the base of something? a unit of measurement? payment?

does fault refer to .. mistake? defect? blame? source of an earthquake?

or is it strictly the foot fault of tennis?
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in the title..

does foot refer to... a part of the body? the base of something? a unit of measurement? payment? none of these

does fault refer to .. mistake? defect? blame? source of an earthquake? the title is somewhat cryptic

or is it strictly the foot fault of tennis? hint: if you foot fault in tennis what could that be called
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Did you overstep the mark in some way?
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Did you overstep the mark in some way? no . I guess you need to think what you are trying to do when you foot fault
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Return a serve? Step over the line? Lose a point? Jump?
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Return a serve? no but stick with the serve notion Step over the line? Lose a point? Jump? no to rest
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A foot fault in the game of tennis occurs only when the server fails to have both feet behind the baseline at the moment of serving. It does not cost the point unless it occurs on the second service, creating a "double fault".

Low-percentage shot: is Wales relevant?
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A foot fault in the game of tennis occurs only when the server fails to have both feet behind the baseline at the moment of serving. It does not cost the point unless it occurs on the second service, creating a "double fault".

Low-percentage shot: is Wales relevant? thanks for the definition. I'm surprised it's not called more often. Wales not relevant (wondering what triggered that question)

I should say that working out the puzzle title will only kickstart the actual solving of the puzzle. Rather like your excellent "Cow of a different colour" title
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Wales not relevant (wondering what triggered that question)

The story goes that Henry V, King of England born in Monmouth in Wales, was sent a gift of tennis balls by the Dauphin of France. This was an insult, designed to indicate that the King should spend his time playing games because he was not fit for the serious business of government.

On receiving the gift, Henry at once announced "Ich Dien" ("I serve"), which has since been the personal motto of the Princes of Wales.

This story is not true. But I like it anyway.
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quote:

I would do this thing again but in a different way.



mind if I explore what you would do in hopes of finding out what you won't do?
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Did you serve on a committee, or such? Did you serve food? Or provide some other sort of service?
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I would do this thing again but in a different way.


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mind if I explore what you would do in hopes of finding out what you won't do? knock yourself out
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Did you serve on a committee, or such? Did you serve food? Or provide some other sort of service? no but service is relevant
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Service in the armed forces or militia? as foot soldier? in a foot patrol?
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Service in the armed forces or militia? as foot soldier? in a foot patrol? no not that kind of service
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If I am correct, you did domething, but you would never do it in that way again for 3 reasons.
Is the thing that you did do a service?
or did you do something and one aspect of it was a service that you don't want to do?
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does your clue about service point to you receiving service? doing service?
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If I am correct, you did domething, but you would never do it in that way again for 3 reasons. that's correctish i guess it's the one reason but three different examples
Is the thing that you did do a service? no
or did you do something and one aspect of it was a service that you don't want to do? no
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does your clue about service point to you receiving service? doing service? Receiving. Thank god someone asked that
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Relevant that a foot fault is a foul, and that it results in a fouled serve? Did you receive foul service somewhere? Fowl service?
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did you dispense payment for a relevant service?
regarding to the thing that you would do again, is it receiving service?
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Relevant that a foot fault is a foul, and that it results in a fouled serve? Did you receive foul service somewhere? Fowl service? close enough . The clue was meant to mean BAD SERVICE, so yes i received poor service somewhere
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did you dispense payment for a relevant service? yes
regarding to the thing that you would do again, is it receiving service? yes but with a different provider
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The bad service:
Did they not provide what you expected?
Not provide what they promised?
Provide what you expected/were promised but with a bad attitude?

The service:
repairs? (if so, to a building? a vehicle? clothing? another type of item?

food? if so, at a restaurant? a grocery store? someplace else?

advice/counseling? if so, regarding law? money? relationships? mental health? education? a job? love?
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The bad service:
Did they not provide what you expected? yesish
Not provide what they promised? yes
Provide what you expected/were promised but with a bad attitude? yesish

The service:
repairs? (if so, to a building? a vehicle? clothing? another type of item? no to these

food? if so, at a restaurant? a grocery store? someplace else? no

advice/counseling? if so, regarding law? money? relationships? mental health? education? a job? love? no although there are some would say i need all of the above :0)
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Did service include something tangible? consumable?

Was it a one-time deal? monthly plan? annual plan? continuous subscription?
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Did service include something tangible? noconsumable? no

Was it a one-time deal? this monthly plan? annual plan? continuous subscription?
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Just realised i missed Booklovers post of 1st August and some of the questions are quite relevant. Many apologies



Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 12:41 pm:

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you completed a road trip through France recently with your family, correct? that's correct
does it have to do with this? no
have to do with driving/cars? at all? yes
with traveling a long distance via car? quite long with wife and kids? yes
you will never go through a town called Saint-Michel-Chef-Chef again? :0 lol . I certainly will will :-)
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Rental car?
Didn't have the car you had reserved, and tried to give you a much smaller? much bigger? one?

Didn't want to give you the mileage package they'd promised?

Didn't want to give you an advertised rate?

trip routing information?
Bad directions? no directions? inaccurate directions?
inaccurate travel time estimates?
poorly-chosen route? much longer than it needed to be? all highway when you wanted to use smaller roads? all smaller roads when you wanted to use highways?
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Rental car? no
Didn't have the car you had reserved, and tried to give you a much smaller? much bigger? one? No

Didn't want to give you the mileage package they'd promised? no

Didn't want to give you an advertised rate? no

trip routing information? no
Bad directions? no directions? inaccurate directions? not these either
inaccurate travel time estimates? yesish
poorly-chosen route? much longer than it needed to be? all highway when you wanted to use smaller roads? all smaller roads when you wanted to use highways? No to rest
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does "foot fault" have to do with the gas/acceleration pedal? were you driving too fast? were you stopped by police?

did the car work like you wanted it to work? anything broken? did anything break down on your trip?
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does "foot fault" have to do with the gas/acceleration pedal? were you driving too fast? were you stopped by police? no to these. Foot fault was just a clue with the answer "bad service" so you can forget about feet from now on

did the car work like you wanted it to work? anything broken? did anything break down on your trip? nothing wrong with the car. The car was my own and is relevant to the puzzle but the service provider was not supplying me with a car or parts or anything like that.

HINT : Another form of travel is relevant!!
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Did you also use the other form of transportation while on the car trip? or was it two different trips? Did you have to choose between driving your own car and using this other form of transport?
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other relevant form of transportation:
ferry? hovercraft? bike? airplane? boat? train?
chunnel relevant?
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Did you also use the other form of transportation while on the car trip? yes or was it two different trips? no Did you have to choose between driving your own car and using this other form of transport? no
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other relevant form of transportation:
ferry? this one hovercraft? bike? airplane? boat? train?
chunnel relevant? no
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Did you have a choice between two ferry companies? or two different ferries offered by the same company (a high-speed vs. a slower one, perhaps?)? Or two different places to cross the same body of water?
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so, you recieved poor service from a ferry company and will not go back to them for three reasons?
are there three bad points here?
did the ferry have trouble sticking to schedule?
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Did you have a choice between two ferry companies? yes or two different ferries offered by the same company (a high-speed vs. a slower one, perhaps?)? noish Or two different places to cross the same body of water yesish
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so, you recieved poor service from a ferry company and will not go back to them for three reasons? that's right
are there three bad points here? yes
did the ferry have trouble sticking to schedule? yes
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condition of the ferry itself? smaller, dirtier? older? smellier? than promised? Promised amenities (snack bar? bar? rooms? seating?) not present?

The quality of the ride? too rough? too slow?

The quality of the facilities on the shore? cleanliness? find-ability? scary loiterers around?
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condition of the ferry itself? smaller, dirtier? older? smellier? than promised? Promised amenities (snack bar? bar? rooms? seating?) not present? no to these

The quality of the ride? too rough? too slow? no

The quality of the facilities on the shore? cleanliness? find-ability? scary loiterers around? no

samll bit of clarification: I initially had a choice of two ferry companies and choose one who let me down very badly with 3 instances of appalling service. So in hindsight i wished i'd gone to the other company. Your task is to establish the 3 mistakes they made one of which is to do with a delay in departure and the other 2 arise as a direct result
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these are all questions regarding the "bad ferry"...

did you have a reservation with the bad ferry? if so, did they forget your reservation?

did you get on the ferry immediately, or did you have to wait a while for the ferry?


did they leave earlier than stated? later than stated?

did they forget to put your car on? was there any room for your car on the ferry?

was there any place to sit in the ferry? or were you and your family relegated to sitting in your car the entire time?

was this a long ride? if so, did they have no provisions (food/drink) for family?

did they have no restrooms for family to use during the trip?
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Also all related to the bad ferry:

Did the ferry take longer than it should have to make the crossing?

did its late arrival cause you to miss some other connection?
If so, did that missed connection cascade into another missed connection or missed reservation?
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these are all questions regarding the "bad ferry"... \b[yes}

did you have a reservation with the bad ferry? yes if so, did they forget your reservation? no

did you get on the ferry immediately, or did you have to wait a while for the ferry? had to wait


did they leave earlier than stated? later than stated? later

did they forget to put your car on? no was there any room for your car on the ferry? yes

was there any place to sit in the ferry? yes or were you and your family relegated to sitting in your car the entire time? no

was this a long ride? no about 3 hoursif so, did they have no provisions (food/drink) for family? not this

did they have no restrooms for family to use during the trip? yes
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Also all related to the bad ferry:

Did the ferry take longer than it should have to make the crossing? noish

did its late arrival cause you to miss some other connection? no
If so, did that missed connection cascade into another missed connection or missed reservation? no
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was one of the "reasons you will never again choose this ferry line" the fact that the ferry was later than it should have been and you had to wait longer?

did the fact that the bad ferry was later cause other things to happen? if so,--did your children get out of control/ angry/ upset/ hungry? did you or your wife get upset?

how long did you have to wait for the ferry? under one hour? one hour? two hours? more?

did you know the ferry was going to be late? or did you sit there not knowing when it was going to arrive?

was there anyone (in charge) who was able to tell you that the ferry was going to be late? or were the people in charge clueless?

was there a place at the ferry's starting point (where it picked you up) where you could wait comfortably? did you have to wait in (or near) your car? could you take a walk/ shop, or (if you didn't know when the ferry was going to arrive) feel like you needed to stay close to it's pickup point?
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was one of the "reasons you will never again choose this ferry line" the fact that the ferry was later than it should have been and you had to wait longer? noish. I can tolerate lateness but....

did the fact that the bad ferry was later cause other things to happen? yesish if so,--did your children get out of control/ angry/ upset/ hungry? did you or your wife get upset? we all got pretty upset

how long did you have to wait for the ferry? under one hour? one hour? two hours? more? 7 hours

did you know the ferry was going to be late? only when i got to the port or did you sit there not knowing when it was going to arrive? no

was there anyone (in charge) who was able to tell you that the ferry was going to be late? they told me on my arrival that the ferry was going to be late or were the people in charge clueless? yes they were quite clueless as they failed to mention two other significant facts

was there a place at the ferry's starting point (where it picked you up) where you could wait comfortably? not really : a small passenger lounge did you have to wait in (or near) your car? no could you take a walk/ shop, or (if you didn't know when the ferry was going to arrive) feel like you needed to stay close to it's pickup point? no i could take a walk as i knew the ferry was going to be in at a certain time

some very pertinent questions there
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You knew when the ferry was to arrive, but you found out once you had arrived.
How long between actually arriving and finding out the ferry's ETA?
Was there an enourmous queue for the ferry?
If so, did your car become blocked in by other traffic?
Therefore, couldn't have left to try the other ferry service?
Did you have to wait for the ferry to make multiple trips?

The other significant facts: did they pertain to being on the ferry, or still whilst waiting for it?

Is the size of your vehicle relavent? I remember seeing a large campervan, which was quite long, get onto a vehicle ferry. It was a tight fit, but there were few problems until the vehicle disembarked. The ferry was quite buoyant, and was thus riding high in the water. Consequently, the gangramp extended down at a large angle (30°-40°). When the vehicle went down it, the undercarriage scraped along the edge(corner/join/discontinuity/etc). It was lucky it didn't lose it's transmission or exhaust - as it was, it lost the little stair thingy that juts out below the entrance.

Was the time of day relavent? Did the ferry operate 24 hours, or was the fact it was seven hours late due to it not actually running, and was moored to the opposite bank? (or even your own bank, which would've been just as annoying...)

Did you wait in your car? If not, did you leave your car 'waiting in line'?

Would some of the information they forgot to mention make waiting for the ferry unnecessary?
Easier/more Comfortable? Quicker?

Are tides relavent? between say 10.00pm - 4.00am the waterline is lower and a causeway/embankment is accessable?

Did you have to cross the (what I assume is a) river again? on the return journey? relavent?
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You knew when the ferry was to arrive, but you found out once you had arrived. i found out the revised sailing time
How long between actually arriving and finding out the ferry's ETA? I was told on arrival at the ticket booth
Was there an enourmous queue for the ferry?
If so, did your car become blocked in by other traffic? no
Therefore, couldn't have left to try the other ferry service? that is very close to one of the 3 service failures but not quite
Did you have to wait for the ferry to make multiple trips? no

The other significant facts: did they pertain to being on the ferry, or still whilst waiting for it? while waiting for it

Is the size of your vehicle relavent? no I remember seeing a large campervan, which was quite long, get onto a vehicle ferry. It was a tight fit, but there were few problems until the vehicle disembarked. The ferry was quite buoyant, and was thus riding high in the water. Consequently, the gangramp extended down at a large angle (30-40). When the vehicle went down it, the undercarriage scraped along the edge(corner/join/discontinuity/etc). It was lucky it didn't lose it's transmission or exhaust - as it was, it lost the little stair thingy that juts out below the entrance. interesting but doubt my Mazda would cause this trouble

Was the time of day relavent? other than the delay not really Did the ferry operate 24 hours no, or was the fact it was seven hours late due to it not actually running, and was moored to the opposite bank? yes(or even your own bank, which would've been just as annoying...)

Did you wait in your car? no If not, did you leave your car 'waiting in line'? yes

Would some of the information they forgot to mention make waiting for the ferry unnecessary? YES good question
Easier/more Comfortable? this too Quicker? unnecessary rather than quicker

Are tides relavent? between say 10.00pm - 4.00am the waterline is lower and a causeway/embankment is accessable? irrelevant

Did you have to cross the (what I assume is a) river again? not a riveron the return journey? relavent? this was the return journey and this is very relevant

wow that was a long post but great questions
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Did they neglect to mention that there was another ferry service you could have used?
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Sorry...

Did the other ferry service leave from another location or town? (I'm thinking of a situation where two ferry companies have different port locations on one side of the bay/river/harbor/strait but both land near each other on the other side. So on the first trip, you could have not been in the right place/known about the other option, and on the return trip, you would have assumed that it wouldn't serve your purpose...)
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Did they neglect to mention that there was another ferry service you could have used? exellent. That's one of the 3 mistakes they made. They neglected to tell me that there was a different ferry company sailing in 1 hour from a port only 5 miles up the road. When i found out it was full
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Sorry...

Did the other ferry service leave from another location or town? (I'm thinking of a situation where two ferry companies have different port locations on one side of the bay/river/harbor/strait but both land near each other on the other side. So on the first trip, you could have not been in the right place/known about the other option, and on the return trip, you would have assumed that it wouldn't serve your purpose...)I think the previous post answers this. You're getting there. The other 2 mistakes are to do with the late departure itself and my car
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Was your car damaged during the trip?
dinged? dented? scratched? because it was parked too close to another one?
battery died because the lights were left on?
ran out of gas because it was left idling?

Left unlocked, and something was stolen from it?

Did they lose? break? damage your keys?

Did you load the car yourself? did they load it?

Was the car exposed to the weather? if so, were the windows left down and it rained?
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Was your car damaged during the trip? no
dinged? dented? scratched? because it was parked too close to another one? so no
battery died because the lights were left on? no
ran out of gas because it was left idling? not this either

Left unlocked, and something was stolen from it? no

Did they lose? break? damage your keys? no

Did you load the car yourself? yes did they load it?

Was the car exposed to the weather? if so, were the windows left down and it rained? not this either. My car is relevany prior to sailing
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quote:

they told me on my arrival that the ferry was going to be late



did they tell you how late?
after parking in the lot were you aware of the actual arrival time of the ferry?
after parking in the lot were you aware that you would wait 7 hrs to board of the ferry?
did you try to get a refund of your fare money? refund of some other payment?
did the ferry company have some kind of annoying policy that they would not budge on?
do the other 2 points to be revealed have to do with information that the ferry company could have given you before you paid?
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they told me on my arrival that the ferry was going to be late


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did they tell you how late? yes
after parking in the lot were you aware of the actual arrival time of the ferry? yes
after parking in the lot were you aware that you would wait 7 hrs to board of the ferry? yes
did you try to get a refund of your fare money? no refund of some other payment? no
did the ferry company have some kind of annoying policy that they would not budge on? yes
do the other 2 points to be revealed have to do with information that the ferry company could have given you before you paid? not before i paid . I had paid for the journey weeks in advance. OTRT though
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An annoying policy... were you not allowed to leave the dock area once you'd entered, so that you had to spend that 7 hours sitting in the car? or in their waiting room?

Were you -allowed- to leave, but you couldn't take your car out of the waiting area, so that you were still effectively stuck there? (The ferries I've used tend to have the docks located well away from any place that it would be pleasant to spend a number of hours. Some of them have downright isolated, and others have been in scary-bad areas.)
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regarding the policy: did they have a "24 hour cancellation policy" or something like this--where if you wanted to cancel, you would have had to do it 24 hours in advance?
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An annoying policy... were you not allowed to leave the dock area once you'd entered, so that you had to spend that 7 hours sitting in the car? or in their waiting room? bingo that's point number 2. The failed to mention that once i'd parked my car in the passenger area we were not able to leave the port area for security reasons. Therefore we had to spend 7 hours in a passenger lounge approximately the size of my living room where the only entertainment was a coffee machine

Were you -allowed- to leave, but you couldn't take your car out of the waiting area, so that you were still effectively stuck there? (The ferries I've used tend to have the docks located well away from any place that it would be pleasant to spend a number of hours. Some of them have downright isolated, and others have been in scary-bad areas.) see above
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regarding the policy: did they have a "24 hour cancellation policy" or something like this--where if you wanted to cancel, you would have had to do it 24 hours in advance? not this. The last example of poor service relates to the actual late departure of the ferry. I can tolerate lateness but.....
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Ok, then: They didn'[t tell you about another company that could get you where you were going, and the didn't tell you that you were going to be spending the whole time you were waiting for the ferry in a tiny waiting room with nothing to do.

Did they also charge you more for the privilege of being treated this way that the other ferry would have? add some sort of a surcharge to your ticket price?

Were they even later than they said they were going to be? (e.g., they said "7 hours delay" and it was 10?)

"I can tolerate lateness, but..."
not rudeness?
not price gouging?
not being lied to?
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Ok, then: They didn'[t tell you about another company that could get you where you were going, and the didn't tell you that you were going to be spending the whole time you were waiting for the ferry in a tiny waiting room with nothing to do.that's right

Did they also charge you more for the privilege of being treated this way that the other ferry would have? irrelevantadd some sort of a surcharge to your ticket price? no

Were they even later than they said they were going to be? (e.g., they said "7 hours delay" and it was 10?) no it was 7 hours almost to the minute

"I can tolerate lateness, but..."
not rudeness? no (although i hate rudeness of course but not relevant to this situation
not price gouging? emm not sure what that means but price not relevant
not being lied to? no
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Something strikes me funny about how you answered my last post - so here's a bit of a wild guess. Enjoy!

You validated the suggestion that the ferry was still moored to the other bank and not actually running, however you mentioned that your time of arrival was in fact not relevent. If this is the case, I am assuming that it was not moored on the other side for timetabling reasons, otherwise your time of arrival WOULD be relevent, right? Therefore, is the ferry moored and consequently not running because it is being cleaned/repaired/otherwise retrofitted in some way? And this process was to take another four hours, plus another three to get to your shore? If so, did they fail to mention this?
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Building on Zenith's question -- was the delay ostensibly for maintenance, but whatever it was was still not operating properly? cleaned? when you got on?
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You validated the suggestion that the ferry was still moored to the other bank and not actually running, however you mentioned that your time of arrival was in fact not relevent. If this is the case, I am assuming that it was not moored on the other side for timetabling reasons, otherwise your time of arrival WOULD be relevent, right? right Therefore, is the ferry moored and consequently not running because it is being cleaned/repaired/otherwise retrofitted in some way? repaired And this process was to take another four hours, plus another three to get to your shore? yes againIf so, did they fail to mention this? well they told me when i got there but.....
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Building on Zenith's question -- was the delay ostensibly for maintenance yestever it was was still not operating properly? cleaned? when you got on? but no to these
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Wait a second, you said that it was relevant that this was the return trip... was the delay caused by regularly scheduled maintenance, and they'd known about it when you made the first trip, and could have warned you then that the return would be delayed?
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Wait a second, you said that it was relevant that this was the return trip... was the delay caused by regularly scheduled maintenance, and they'd known about it when you made the first trip, and could have warned you then that the return would be delayed? absolutely right except they did warn me........
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They told you the wrong times?
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They told you the wrong times? no. Maybe should rephrase my earlier remark. They thought they had warned me of the delay. Your job is to ascertain how they did this
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Oh. I see. They didn't send communication to your home address did they? Which of course would have been completely useless on the return journey, as you wouldn't have been at home, by definition? I'll postulate that you booked this journey for a certain time on a certain day, and included your postal address when asked. They could've contacted you by mobile phone or email, but instead they mailed you, or left a message on your Landline number?
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Oh. I see. They didn't send communication to your home address did they? Which of course would have been completely useless on the return journey, as you wouldn't have been at home, by definition? I'll postulate that you booked this journey for a certain time on a certain day, and included your postal address when asked. They could've contacted you by mobile phone or email, but instead they mailed you, or left a message on your Landline number? And that's a wrap

**************SPOILER*************

Travelling to Scotland to visit my brother recently i had probably the worst service experience of my life.
On arriving at Stranrear port for the return sailing to Belfast i was informed at the ticket booth that the ship was delayed for 7 hours due to scheduled maintenance work. I naturally enquired why they had not informed me of this and their response was that they had rang my home phone (in Dublin) and left a message informing me of the delay. What really bugged me was that i had printed out the booking form and my mobile phone was on it. They declined to comment on why they had chosen my home phone to ring knowing i wouldn't be there.
Anyway depressed at facing 7 hours in Stranraer which is not the most exciting place on earth i followed their instructions and parked my car in the embarkation queue and proceeded with my wife and 3 daughters to the little passenger lounge for a coffee. There was an information desk there and i noticed several people queing at it and then rushing off . I enquired at the desk to be told that another ferry company had a boat departing from Cairnryan which is 5 miles up the road in an hour. Delighted to hear this i asked to be booked on that sailing. Sorry said the guy we booked the last ticket 2 minutes ago. Again comment was declined as to why i wasn't told of the alternate sailing at the ticket booth.
My blood was boiling at this stage so I decided a nice drive along the coast and maybe lunch at Troon or some similar place would salvage the situation. Not so according to Irish Ferries who politely informed me that as my car had entered the ferry boarding area it was forbidden to remove it from the port area.

I'll leave my reaction to this announcement to your own fertile imaginations.

They did allow us the priviledge of strolling around Stranraer in the rain for a few hours followed by a return visit to the living room sized passenger lounge.

We got into Belfast at 00.30 am and then had to drive the 100 or so miles to our house in Dublin . We got in at about 3.00 which meant i had 3 hours sleep before getting up for work.

All in all a FERRY bad experience and yes i do HARBOUR a grudge.

Well done to Rabrab and Zenith for cracking the case and to the rest for sticking with it


p.s i got a EUR20 voucher off my next sailing by way of apology. Don't think i'll be using it

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