| Author | Message | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 292 Registered: 5-2007 |
If the home team wins, how will we get home? | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1547 Registered: 2-2005 |
Will there be rioting or partying or both in the streets? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 616 Registered: 11-2003 |
Any bets involved? Relevant who 'we' support? If so, home team? away team? none at all? traffic chaos? or public transport relevant? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 582 Registered: 4-2007 |
Are you a spectator? are you a participant? Am I correct to assume you support the away team since you are worried about getting home? Are we talking about "home" as in state/city of residence? or "home" as in home plate? are we talking about a sport? soccer? baseball? american football? basketball? if sports: if the home team won, would the away team have to play another game? if so, the away team and the home team have to play each other again? would the away team have to play another team? If the home team won, would you or the away team miss a connection--on a bus/plane? is it a educational competition? math? engineering? if educational, if the home team wins, would the away team have to go through more rounds? or would they be completely out of the competition? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 294 Registered: 5-2007 |
Will there be rioting or partying or both in the streets? No Any bets involved? No Relevant who 'we' support? No If so, home team? away team? none at all? traffic chaos? No or public transport relevant? No (maybe a little ish) Are you a spectator? are you a participant? Spectator Am I correct to assume you support the away team since you are worried about getting home? Not really Are we talking about "home" as in state/city of residence? This one or "home" as in home plate? are we talking about a sport? soccer? baseball? american football? basketball? Baseball if sports: if the home team won, would the away team have to play another game? No if so, the away team and the home team have to play each other again? No would the away team have to play another team? No If the home team won, would you or the away team miss a connection--on a bus/plane? Yope is it a educational competition? math? engineering? No if educational, if the home team wins, would the away team have to go through more rounds? No or would they be completely out of the competition? No | ||
| Suido (Suido)
New member Username: Suido Post Number: 39 Registered: 8-2007 |
you support the home team? but there is a reason for you not minding if they lose? are either team qualifying for something? a win means the home team will play elsewhere next, rather than at home again? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 296 Registered: 5-2007 |
you support the home team? Irrelevant but there is a reason for you not minding if they lose? Not really are either team qualifying for something? No a win means the home team will play elsewhere next, rather than at home again? No | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1550 Registered: 2-2005 |
Wins: a particular single game? a series of games? a title? Is the puzzle statement made during the game that it refers to? Is extra innings relevant? If the home team wins, will the game have run too late for you to use some sort of public transportation? Will the bus have stopped for the night? the trains? the subway? Will they still be running, but with a much longer time between each one? Would it help us to figure out who the 'home team' is? or at least what city you're talking about? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 298 Registered: 5-2007 |
Wins: a particular single game? Yes a series of games? a title? Is the puzzle statement made during the game that it refers to? Yes, possibly a bit before Is extra innings relevant? No If the home team wins, will the game have run too late for you to use some sort of public transportation? No Will the bus have stopped for the night? Yesish the trains? No the subway? No Will they still be running, but with a much longer time between each one? No Would it help us to figure out who the 'home team' is? or at least what city you're talking about? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 299 Registered: 5-2007 |
Would it help us to figure out who the 'home team' is? or at least what city you're talking about? No | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 394 Registered: 6-2007 |
does this involve a bus? charter bus? another mode of transportation? non-public? is there an issue with players returning home? fans returning home? was relevant information about the transportation learned before the game? was there a change from the original travel scheduling? was there a misunderstanding? is proximity of the 2 teams relevant? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 300 Registered: 5-2007 |
does this involve a bus? Yes charter bus? Yes another mode of transportation? non-public? See previous answer is there an issue with players returning home? fans returning home? Yesish - not all fans, just our group... was relevant information about the transportation learned before the game? Yes was there a change from the original travel scheduling? Noish was there a misunderstanding? Yope - we all understood what was said but it was poorly worded... is proximity of the 2 teams relevant? No | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1558 Registered: 2-2005 |
Yes-ish the the bus will have stopped for the night, and Yes to it's a charter bus... Hmm. Is it the case not so much that the bus will have stopped, but that something that needs to be done so that the bus can take you all home will be impossible? A border crossing? a bridge? a tunnel? some part of the route home will be impassable? Will the bus driver be unable? unwilling? to drive if the home team wins? Is your difficulty in getting home related solely to the home team winning? or is it more related to something else that will happen if the home team wins? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 396 Registered: 6-2007 |
did you arrive on a bus? if yes, were you to return on the same bus? did you pay for the trip? was your trip home paid for in advance? is the capcity of the bus relevant? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 306 Registered: 5-2007 |
Yes-ish the the bus will have stopped for the night, and Yes to it's a charter bus... Hmm. Is it the case not so much that the bus will have stopped, but that something that needs to be done so that the bus can take you all home will be impossible? Sort of, but not exactly A border crossing? a bridge? a tunnel? some part of the route home will be impassable? None of those Will the bus driver be unable? No unwilling? Yesish to drive if the home team wins? Is your difficulty in getting home related solely to the home team winning? No or is it more related to something else that will happen if the home team wins? Yes NOTE: It is possible that "the thing that will happen" that will make the bus driver unwilling to drive will not happen even if the home team wins, however it is unlikely. did you arrive on a bus? Yes if yes, were you to return on the same bus? Yes did you pay for the trip? No was your trip home paid for in advance? Yes is the capcity of the bus relevant? No | ||
| Suido (Suido)
New member Username: Suido Post Number: 56 Registered: 8-2007 |
the driver will be unwilling because - driving will be dangerous? driving will be more difficult? driving will take longer? of a reason unrelated to driving? of people on the bus? of people not on the bus? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1066 Registered: 6-2001 |
... he will go out and celebrate with the rest of the home team fans, and doesn't want a drink-driving offence on his record as he's a bus driver? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 311 Registered: 5-2007 |
the driver will be unwilling because - driving will be dangerous? driving will be more difficult? driving will take longer? of a reason unrelated to driving? of people on the bus? of people not on the bus? ... he will go out and celebrate with the rest of the home team fans, and doesn't want a drink-driving offence on his record as he's a bus driver? None of the above. Hint: It has to do with a specific thing the bus driver said. | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 616 Registered: 4-2007 |
was the bus driver a fan of the "away" team? did he say, "the away team better win or i'm not driving them home!"? was whatevever he said in anger? jest? seriousness? | ||
| Christine (Christine)
New member Username: Christine Post Number: 20 Registered: 8-2007 |
Was what the bus driver said a threat? (I like Booklover's idea) The person that says the statement is a member of the away team? The group that was supposed to take the bus is the entire away team? Is the bus driver also on a team? Home has nothing to do with home plate/home base? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 314 Registered: 5-2007 |
as the bus driver a fan of the "away" team? No did he say, "the away team better win or i'm not driving them home!"? No was whatevever he said in anger? No jest? No seriousness? Yope | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 315 Registered: 5-2007 |
Was what the bus driver said a threat? (I like Booklover's idea) No The person that says the statement is a member of the away team? The person that says the statement is the bus driver. He is not a member of either team The group that was supposed to take the bus is the entire away team? No Is the bus driver also on a team? No Home has nothing to do with home plate/home base? Correct | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 504 Registered: 6-2007 |
regarding what the bus driver said.. did he say it on the way to the game? did he say it after arriving at the game? was anything about winning or losing in his statement? was "... if they win..." in his statement? something like it? was it part of telling everyone where to meet the bus after the game? relevant where you were to meet the bus after the game? when the "how will we get home?" idea occcured, were you in the presence of the driver? did someone ask the driver this question? did everyone who arrived on that bus have the same problem? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 318 Registered: 5-2007 |
did he say it on the way to the game? No did he say it after arriving at the game? Yes - he said it right after stopping, before he let us out was anything about winning or losing in his statement? No was "... if they win..." in his statement? No something like it? No was it part of telling everyone where to meet the bus after the game? Not where, but when relevant where you were to meet the bus after the game? No when the "how will we get home?" idea occcured, were you in the presence of the driver? Yes did someone ask the driver this question? No did everyone who arrived on that bus have the same problem? Yes | ||
| Suido (Suido)
New member Username: Suido Post Number: 108 Registered: 8-2007 |
is it something to do with getting to the bus on time? the bus driver declared he was leaving at a certain time after the match? and if the home team wins then the fans might hinder your chances of getting to the bus on time? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 320 Registered: 5-2007 |
is it something to do with getting to the bus on time? No the bus driver declared he was leaving at a certain time after the match? Yesish - explore and if the home team wins then the fans might hinder your chances of getting to the bus on time? No | ||
| Suido (Suido)
New member Username: Suido Post Number: 117 Registered: 8-2007 |
Did the bus driver say he was leaving at a certain time? Same time as the scheduled end of the match? Before? After? Will the home team winning require extra innings? so delaying the end of the match? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 323 Registered: 5-2007 |
Did the bus driver say he was leaving at a certain time? Yesish Same time as the scheduled end of the match? No ... baseball games aren't scheduled to end at a particular time Before? No After? Yesish Will the home team winning require extra innings? No, but if there were extra innings, it could pose a problem... so delaying the end of the match? No | ||
| Suido (Suido)
New member Username: Suido Post Number: 124 Registered: 8-2007 |
Let me get this straight... Yesish to a certain time, that is not before the match ends, but is only yesishly after the match ends. Is it a certain time interval after an event (eg 5mins after the end of the match)? Was the bus driver's comment flippant? eg I'm not leaving until I see the home team lose. Or was he completely serious? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 328 Registered: 5-2007 |
Let me get this straight... Yesish to a certain time, that is not before the match ends, but is only yesishly after the match ends. Is it a certain time interval after an event (eg 5mins after the end of the match)? Yes Was the bus driver's comment flippant? eg I'm not leaving until I see the home team lose. No Or was he completely serious? Yesish... I don't think he was actually planning on refusing to leave if the home team won... but that is the literal implication of what he said. The comment was just poorly worded. | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 639 Registered: 4-2007 |
did he state that he would be there for x amount of time after the game ended? did he say something along these lines--I'll be here for thirty minutes after your team wins? or did he start the statement by: i'll leave if... i'll leave when... did he use the term "home team" or "home" in his statement? did he use the term "away team" or "away" in his statement? sorry if I am reiterating what you just said, but basically he made a statement telling you when he would be ready to leave, and because of his poorly worded statement, it sounded like he would only leave if the away team won? by the way, was everyone on your bus rooting for the same team? | ||
| Suido (Suido)
New member Username: Suido Post Number: 145 Registered: 8-2007 |
heh heh, rooting for the same team. Sorry, root has another meaning in Australia, suffice to say that if Austin Powers was an aussie, you'd have the same problems writing rooting as Woubit had with alternative words for cormorant. Was the statement conditional? Did he use any variant of the these words? will? (inc. won't) would? because? if? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 335 Registered: 5-2007 |
did he state that he would be there for x amount of time after the game ended? He said he wold leave 30 minutes after something, but it's not exactly "when the game ended" did he say something along these lines--I'll be here for thirty minutes after your team wins? No, and see previous answer or did he start the statement by: i'll leave if... i'll leave when... See first answer did he use the term "home team" or "home" in his statement? No did he use the term "away team" or "away" in his statement? No sorry if I am reiterating what you just said, but basically he made a statement telling you when he would be ready to leave, and because of his poorly worded statement, it sounded like he would only leave if the away team won? Yes by the way, was everyone on your bus rooting for the same team? Yes Was the statement conditional? No Did he use any variant of the these words? will? (inc. won't) No would? No because? No if? No | ||
| Scytheye (Scytheye)
New member Username: Scytheye Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2007 |
Does the road pose a difficulty? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 367 Registered: 5-2007 |
Does the road pose a difficulty? No | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
New member Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 233 Registered: 9-2007 |
Were there more supporters for one of the sides? home? away? If this side with more supporters had won, would there have been fireworks or something like that could help the driver know that the game is over? Some form of celebration or cheering? Here's what im thinking he said, "I'll be here 30 mins after the fireworks start". But if the home team wins, there won't be any fireworks? (Unlikely, but worth a shot :-D) Otherwise, did he suggest in the statement, that he would be there 30 mins after something that would have most likely only occurred after the away team won? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 380 Registered: 5-2007 |
Were there more supporters for one of the sides? home? away? Irrelevant If this side with more supporters had won, would there have been fireworks or something like that could help the driver know that the game is over? No Some form of celebration or cheering? No Here's what im thinking he said, "I'll be here 30 mins after the fireworks start". But if the home team wins, there won't be any fireworks? (Unlikely, but worth a shot :-D) No Otherwise, did he suggest in the statement, that he would be there 30 mins after something that would have most likely only occurred after the away team won? Yesish Hint: A specific fact about how the game of baseball is played is relevant here. | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2148 Registered: 2-2001 |
Extra innings relevant? | ||
| Alanlin (Alanlin)
New member Username: Alanlin Post Number: 17 Registered: 6-2007 |
Or a lack of an inning? I know that if the home team is already winning when going into the bottom of the ninth, then it isn't played. So, maybe the bus driver said something like, "I'll pick you guys up after the home team bats the ninth inning"? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 381 Registered: 5-2007 |
Extra innings relevant? No Or a lack of an inning? See below I know that if the home team is already winning when going into the bottom of the ninth, then it isn't played. So, maybe the bus driver said something like, "I'll pick you guys up after the home team bats the ninth inning"? Very close... | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 613 Registered: 6-2007 |
is rain relavant? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 682 Registered: 4-2007 |
so, the game is away, since you drove a bus there....and you need to get back. I'm trying to remember back when I played softball... I am thinking that the away (visiting) team bats first. Is this correct? If they get to the ninth inning and the visitors bat and are ahead, then the home team will bat. If the visitors bat and are behind, then the game will be over... so, here is one scenario (hopefully I didn't mess it up!): you and rest on bus root for the away team. The bus driver says, I'll be here for 30 minutes after your last at bat. The away team bats first in the ninth inning. You think, well if the away team is ahead (by a lot) after their last at bat, then the home team will have to play. If they go over 30 minutes (which would be amazing), then the bus driver would be gone (according to his poorly worded statement). If the away team is behind after their at bat in the ninth, then the game would be over, because the home team would have already won. The only thing I am confused about is that the puzzle statement says, "if the home team wins, how will we get home" and it makes it sound like the home team is batting first...is it possible that you both had to take a bus to the field, so even though you had to drive to the field, you were batting second? If this is the case, take my scenario and reverse everything! Whew! My brain fried on that! | ||
| Deathateaster (Deathateaster)
New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 56 Registered: 5-2007 |
Death involved? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 385 Registered: 5-2007 |
so, the game is away, since you drove a bus there....and you need to get back. No, the "home team" refers to the team whose stadium the field was played at. We were rooting from the home team. I am thinking that the away (visiting) team bats first. Is this correct? Yes If they get to the ninth inning and the visitors bat and are ahead, then the home team will bat. If the visitors bat and are behind, then the game will be over... And this is the key fact. There's just one more subtlety... so, here is one scenario (hopefully I didn't mess it up!): This scenario is not correct The only thing I am confused about is that the puzzle statement says, "if the home team wins, how will we get home" and it makes it sound like the home team is batting first... The visiting team bats first is it possible that you both had to take a bus to the field, so even though you had to drive to the field, you were batting second? Yes, we were rooting for the home team. This was an event for college interns at Microsoft, so many of us didn't have cars, which is why they had to charter a bus, even though it was just to take us from Redmond into downtown Seattle If this is the case, take my scenario and reverse everything! | ||
| Alanlin (Alanlin)
New member Username: Alanlin Post Number: 21 Registered: 6-2007 |
Hmm, i don't see what's missing. Is it just the actual statement that's incorrectly worded? Or are we missing something else? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 388 Registered: 5-2007 |
Hmm, i don't see what's missing. Is it just the actual statement that's incorrectly worded? Or are we missing something else? You have to figure out exactly what the statement was. The reason it was poorly worded has something to do with the fact that the ninth inning isn't always played to completion, but even if the visiting team were ahead at the end of the top of the ninth (so the home team would bat in the bottom of the ninth), if the bus driver's statement were interpreted literally, the bus might still not leave... | ||
| Alanlin (Alanlin)
New member Username: Alanlin Post Number: 25 Registered: 6-2007 |
OK, let's try again. Is it relevant, then, that in the event that the home team is winning at any time during the bottom of the ninth inning, the game immediately ends? (As opposed to the scenario I presented earlier where the home team is ahead at the beginning of the bottom of the ninth) If so, is the bus driver's statement like: "I'll pick you up after the third out of the bottom of the ninth." But, if the home team wins, this third out would never occur. The actual statement is probably a lot more concise, but is this the right idea? | ||
| Gmelone (Gmelone)
New member Username: Gmelone Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2007 |
I'm leaving five minutes after the 54th out! | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 394 Registered: 5-2007 |
If so, is the bus driver's statement like: "I'll pick you up after the third out of the bottom of the ninth." But, if the home team wins, this third out would never occur. The actual statement is probably a lot more concise, but is this the right idea? Ding! Ding! Ding! This is exactly what he said. (Note that there is a small chance that the third out at the bottom of the ninth will occur even if the home team wins, as it is possible to get both a run and an out on the same play.) SPOILER | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 721 Registered: 4-2007 |
good puzzle! I was stuck on the idea that the bus had left early, so I didn't even think that the bus might be there, but because of the poorly worded statement, it couldn't leave. |
