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Kana's combination of honesty & laziness saved her over $1000. How come??
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The money she saved - did she...

...pay less for a physical good? or service? car? house? some sort of ticket? related to health? transportation? entertainment? home improvement? car-related?

...avoid having to buy a physical good? or service? car? house? some sort of ticket? related to health? transportation? entertainment? home improvement? car-related?

...avoid becoming the victim of a crime? robbery? burglary? larceny? fraud/scam? embezzlement? identity theft?

...avoid a court case? where she would be the plaintiff? defendant? have to pay legal fees? or damages?

...earn more money? from wages? interest? investment income? gifts?

The thing she did that demonstrated her honesty...

...telling someone something?
...not telling someone something?
,,,doing something someone asked her to do?
...refusing to do something someone asked her to do?
...giving someone back something that was theirs?

Was the action she took (or didn't take) that demonstrated her honesty and the one that demonstrated her laziness the same action, or different actions?
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kana = her?
human? adult? female?
was the amount a lump sum? or cumulative?
any jobs relevant?
any other persons relevant?
any crimes relevant?
location relevant?
any significant objects relevant?
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The money she saved - did she...

...pay less for a physical good?yesish or service? no car? no house? no some sort of ticket? no related to health? notransportation? yesentertainment? no home improvement? no car-related? no

...avoid having to buy a physical good? no or service? no car? no house? no some sort of ticket? no related to health? no transportation? no entertainment? no home improvement? nocar-related? no

...avoid becoming the victim of a crime? robbery? burglary? larceny? fraud/scam? embezzlement? identity theft? no to all

...avoid a court case? where she would be the plaintiff? defendant? have to pay legal fees? or damages? no to all

...earn more money? from wages? interest? investment income? gifts? no to all

The thing she did that demonstrated her honesty...

...telling someone something? yes
...not telling someone something? no
,,,doing something someone asked her to do? yesish
...refusing to do something someone asked her to do? no
...giving someone back something that was theirs?
no
Was the action she took (or didn't take) that demonstrated her honesty and the one that demonstrated her laziness the same action, or different actions? borderline
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kana = her? yes
human? yes adult? yes female? yes
was the amount a lump sum? yes or cumulative?
any jobs relevant? yes
any other persons relevant? yes
any crimes relevant? noish
location relevant?
yesany significant objects relevant? yes
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Her laziness manifested in her not doing something? Doing something differently? Avoiding physical activity? Avoiding something tedious?
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Her laziness manifested in her not doing something? yes Doing something differently? noish Avoiding physical activity? no Avoiding something tedious? yes
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Type of transportation:

...Car?
...Bike?
...Train?
...Plane?
...Taxi?
...Scooter?
...Segway?
...Moped?
...Truck?

The tranportation was for:
...Herself?
...Someone else? More than one other person?
...Both herself and someone else? Both herself and more than one other person?
...An inanimate object? Like shipping something? A package? More than one package?

She paid less because she...

...had to transport fewer people? fewer packages? to a different location? that was closer?
...learned about a cheaper option? a special deal?
...got someone else to help her take advantage of a special deal? volume discounts relevant? loyalty programs?
...got the person/company providing the service to make an error in the price?
...could get reimbursed for all of it? part of it?
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Type of transportation:

...Car? possibly
...Bike? unlikely
...Train? possibly
...Plane? possibly
...Taxi? possibly
...Scooter? unlikely
...Segway? huh?
...Moped? unlikely
...Truck? possibly

The tranportation was for:
...Herself? yes
...Someone else?possibly More than one other person? ditto
...Both herself and someone else? ditto Both herself and more than one other person? ditto
...An inanimate object? yes Like shipping something? yesish A package? yes More than one package? probably

She paid less because she...

...had to transport fewer people? no fewer packages? no to a different location? no that was closer? no
...learned ab yopeout a cheaper option? yopea special deal?
...got someone else to help her take advantage of a special deal? yope volume discounts relevant? noish loyalty programs? no
...got the person/company providing the service to make an error in the price? no
...could get reimbursed for all of it? no part of it? no
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Did she save money on...

...fuel?
...hiring a driver?
...purchasing a vehicle?
...renting a vehicle?
...paying someone to ship something?
...taxes?
...tariffs?
...license fees?

Were the goods being shipped illicit goods? Drugs? Weapons?

Were the goods being shipped across state lines? across country borders?
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Could she have walked? Was her decision to use transportation instead of walking the indication of her laziness?
Would not taking the transportation have resulted in an unexpected cost or fine?
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Did she save money on...

...fuel? no
...hiring a driver? no
...purchasing a vehicle? no
...renting a vehicle? no
...paying someone to ship something? no
...taxes? no
...tariffs? yes
...license fees? no

Were the goods being shipped illicit goods? no Drugs? no Weapons? no
Were the goods being shipped across state lines? see next answeracross country borders? yes
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Could she have walked? no Was her decision to use transportation instead of walking the indication of her laziness? no
Would not taking the transportation have resulted in an unexpected cost or fine? no
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did she have to declare her goods?
and only declared some of the goods, thereby not having her goods checked thoroughly due to her honesty, and having to pay tariffs for the whole lot?
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did she have to declare her goods? no
and only declared some of the goods no--she declared them all, thereby not having her goods checked thoroughly due to her honesty no, and having to pay tariffs for the whole lot no?
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Was her honesty displayed because she declared all of her items?
Was the $1000 she saved a fine she could have been charged for being caught with undeclared items?
Was her laziness because she almost took more than she actually took?
Was she planning to take something else across the border, but then decided it was too much of a hassle?
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Was her honesty displayed because she declared all of her items? yes
Was the $1000 she saved a fine she could have been charged for being caught with undeclared items? no
Was her laziness because she almost took more than she actually took? no
Was she planning to take something else across the border, but then decided it was too much of a hassle?yope or yesish
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Did she pay all the tariffs she was supposed to pay for the items?
Were any of the items confiscated?

The "something else" she was yesishly planning to take across the border:

...a physical object? another package?
...another person? more than one other person?
...something intangible? information? an idea? a published work? intellectual property laws relevant?
...something directly related to the mode of transportation he was using?
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Did she pay all the tariffs she was supposed to pay for the items? yope
Were any of the items confiscated? no

The "something else" she was yesishly planning to take across the border:

...a physical object? no another package? no
...another person? no more than one other person? no
...something intangible? see next answer information? yes an idea? see previous answer a published work? no intellectual property laws relevant? no
...something directly related to the mode of transportation he was using? no
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HINT:How does an honest person handle customs declarations? How does a lazy person handle customs decalarations? Think about it....
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HINT:How does an honest person handle customs declarations? If he has something to declare, and he is aware of it, he declares it How does a lazy person handle customs decalarations? He probably can't be arsed to declare anything, so he just walks through the green channel? Or does he just let the customs official check for himself if there's anything to declare? Think about it....
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Was the information she didn't bother obtaining about what needed to be declared?
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Was the information she didn't bother obtaining about what needed to be declared? yope
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Was my analysis of the hint OTRT?
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Was my analysis of the hint OTRT? yope!!
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so she declared everything honestly that she knew had to be declared? and thought that was it? and paid for those? but wasn't aware some other items had to be declared? and therefore didn't declare those?
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so she declared everything honestly that she knew had to be declared? yope and thought that was it? yope and paid for those? no but wasn't aware some other items had to be declared?yope and therefore didn't declare those? yesish
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She didn't bother packing something in the first place, that would have cost her custom duty?

Did she even know about the concept of customs?
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She didn't bother packing something in the first place, that would have cost her custom duty? no

Did she even know about the concept of customs? yes
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HINT: What she didn't know had to be delcared is an "item" in an unusual sense.
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WARNING: Completely random guess incoming!!

Was she pregnant?
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WARNING: Completely random guess incoming!!

Was she pregnant? irrel
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Is the "item" an animal?
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The thing that was an "item in an unusual sense" - was it:

...a tangible object?
...something that existed inside a computer? like files on a computer? software? or "virtual items" in an online game? (Selling of virtual items in games such as World of Warcraft is getting to be a big business these days. I don't think anyone's charging customs duties on them yet, but I'm just covering all my bases.)
...a document? a ticket? a contract? a check? currency? an electronic document?
...something that existed only in her mind? an idea? something imaginary?
...a living thing?
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Is the "item" an animal? no
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The thing that was an "item in an unusual sense" - was it:

...a tangible object?yope
...something that existed inside a computer?no like files on a computer? software? or "virtual items" in an online game? (Selling of virtual items in games such as World of Warcraft is getting to be a big business these days. I don't think anyone's charging customs duties on them yet, but I'm just covering all my bases.)
...a document? yope a ticket? no a contract? no a check? no currency? noan electronic document? no
...something that existed only in her mind? no an idea? yope something imaginary?
no...a living thing? no
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Was it a document that had an "idea" written on it? Like a piece of paper with the "idea" written down on it? And what was written on the paper was what was important?

Would she have had to pay $1000+ of customs duties on this "document" had she declared it? Was the "document" worth more than $1000? $10,000? $100,000? $1 million? Was it the deed for a house or other property? Did it entitle the bearer to a specific legal right?
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Was it a document that had an "idea" written on it?noish Like a piece of paper with the "idea" written down on it? noishAnd what was written on the paper was what was important? noish

Would she have had to pay $1000+ of customs duties on this "document" had she declared it?noish Was the "document" worth more than $1000? no $10,000? no $100,000? no $1 million? no Was it the deed for a house or other property? no Did it entitle the bearer to a specific legal right/ no
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Is she carrying a piece of paper (relevant to the puzzle) at all?

Would declaring the "document" prove that she owned something else, that she would have had to pay customs duties on?

Would declaring the "document" cause her to have to pay more customs duties on something else? Because it would have proven something about her that would cause her to be charged more?

Is any dishonest behavior by the customs officials relevant? Any dishonest behavior that would have occurred had she declared the "document"? Did they ask for a bribe? Would they have asked for a bribe?
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Something to do with advertising? copyrights? patents? deeds? wills? contracts?
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Is she carrying a piece of paper (relevant to the puzzle) at all?yes

Would declaring the "document" prove that she owned something else, that she would have had to pay customs duties on? no

Would declaring the "document" cause her to have to pay more customs duties on something else? yope Because it would have proven something about her that would cause her to be charged more? yope

Is any dishonest behavior by the customs officials relevant? no Any dishonest behavior that would have occurred had she declared the "document"? noDid they ask for a bribe? no Would they have asked for a bribe? no
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Something to do with advertising? no copyrights? no patents? no deeds? no wills? contracts? no
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I have no idea on this one, so lets try these, which of these is most relevant here?

Items you purchased and are carrying with you upon return to the United States?
Items you received as gifts, such as wedding or birthday presents?
Items you inherited?
Items you bought in duty-free shops, on the ship, or on the plane?
Repairs or alterations to any items you took abroad and then brought back, even if the repairs/alterations were performed free of charge?
Items you brought home for someone else?
Items you intend to sell or use in your business?
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I have no idea on this one, so lets try these, which of these is most relevant here?

Items you purchased and are carrying with you upon return to the United States? myes
Items you received as gifts, such as wedding or birthday presents? no
Items you inherited? no
Items you bought in duty-free shops, on the ship, or on the plane? no
Repairs or alterations to any items you took abroad and then brought back, even if the repairs/alterations were performed free of charge? no
Items you brought home for someone else? no
Items you intend to sell or use in your business? no
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HINT: Kana bought LOTS of stuff.
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Was it money that she failed to declare?
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Was it money that she failed to declare? no
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Is it relevant WHAT she brought the lots of stuff back in?
a suitcase?
larger?
smaller?
a trailer?

Just to get one unusual item out of the way... she wasn't carrying ashes or something like that?
the document is not the item, but concerns the item, yeah?
So is it a bill of sale?
other proof of ownership?
certificate of authenticity?
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Is it relevant WHAT she brought the lots of stuff back in? no
a suitcase?
larger?
smaller?
a trailer?

Just to get one unusual item out of the way... she wasn't carrying ashes or something like that? no
the document is not the item, but concerns the item, yeah?it concerns the items!!
So is it a bill of sale? no
other proof of ownership? no
certificate of authenticity? no
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Did she pay any customs duty at all? relevant?
Did she actually have with her everything on which she might have had to pay customs?
Did the document prove that she owned something? prove teh value of something?
Was it a receipt? Had she bought the items whilst abroad? Had the person she bought the items from given her the document? had she also bought the document?
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Just confirming a few facts to get some clarity...

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1. did she have to declare her goods? no
and only declared some of the goods no-- she declared them all

2. Did she pay all the tariffs she was supposed to pay for the items? yope

3. ...so she declared everything honestly that she knew had to be declared? yope

4 ...Because it would have proven something about her that would cause her to be charged more? yope




She didn't have to declare any goods. Yet she declared all her items, but you said yope to her honestly declaring everything she knew about. Correct?

Is the yope to q.2 because she didn't actually pay anything? Or is there more to it?

Is it relevant what the items are?

Is there something relevant and specific about Kana we need to find out? Is there something in the document that states this information?

If she had shown the customs official the document, she would have had to pay over a 1000$ to him? Or to someone at the airport? Or was it an indirect but consequential expense?

When you say she was lazy, did she knowingly shirk the task of declaring the paper? Or is laziness closer to "ignorant and lax in obtaining information"?

Is it relevant that airports have a green channel for passengers who don't have any items to declare?
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She didn't have to declare any goods.No. She did have to declare & she did declare everything Yet she declared all her items, but you said yope to her honestly declaring everything she knew about.She was completely honest& declared everything she knew but she omitted some informastion she knew would be relevant. I'm not contradicting myself. So think about how these 2 sdtatements would be true. Correct? see previous answer

Is the yope to q.2 because she didn't actually pay anything? yes Or is there more to it?

Is it relevant what the items are? No, but it's relevant that there were LOADS of them

Is there something relevant and specific about Kana we need to find out? no Is there something in the document that states this information?

If she had shown the customs official the document, she would have had to pay over a 1000$ to him? possibly Or to someone at the airport? no one else Or was it an indirect but consequential expense? no

When you say she was lazy, did she knowingly shirk the task of declaring the paper? no Or is laziness closer to "ignorant and lax in obtaining information"? YES!!!!!!!!!

Is it relevant that airports have a green channel for passengers who don't have any items to declare? No. She's honest so she didn't use that chanel
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So did she just not know how many of them there were? And the document said how many? should she have told the customs officer how many?
some of my questions above are repeats, but could you please answer the others?
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So did she just not know how many of them there were? yes, but that's not the main pointAnd the document said how many? no should she have told the customs officer how many? no
some of my questions above are repeats, but could you please answer the others?
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Is the purpose of the items relevant?
Is commercial versus personal use of imports relevant?

What she didn't tell - did it pertain to her?
Or the goods?
Or something else?
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Was the item only taxable if it was of a certain quantity or more?

OR is there some condition on it? which would have been fulfilled if the document was shown?

Is the money she would have had to pay in the form of customs duty? a penalty? some other surcharge?

Was she carrying these things on her person? Were they germs inside her? So she would have had to declare herself under "Quarantine Clearance"? Was the document a prescription for medication?
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Bah just realised she "Bought Lots of stuff" so that rules out germs :-(
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Is the purpose of the items relevant?
Is commercial versus personal use of imports relevant? possibly

What she didn't tell - did it pertain to her? no
Or the goods? yes
Or something else? no
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Was the item only taxable if it was of a certain quantity or more?yesish

OR is there some condition on it? no which would have been fulfilled if the document was shown? no

Is the money she would have had to pay in the form of customs duty? yes a penalty? no some other surcharge? no

Was she carrying these things on her person? no Were they germs inside her? no So she would have had to declare herself under "Quarantine Clearance"? no Was the document a prescription for medication? no
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Bah just realised she "Bought Lots of stuff" so that rules out germs :-
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HINT: THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU NORMALLY DO WHEN YOU HAVE AN ITEMIZED LIST OF ITEMS PURCHASED ABROAD TO DELARE AT CUSTOMS.
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Did she have an itemized list of items purchased abroad? Was this the yopeish "document" we were talking about earlier?

Did she read off the list to the customs official? Did she read off all the items on the list? Did she show the customs official part of the list? The whole list? Was the list in a language the customs official could understand accurately?

The yesish "was the item only taxable if it was a certain quantity or more":

- Was there only one relevant item, just in a large quantity?
- Was the limit on "quantity" not a number of items, but something like weight? or volume?
- Was the limit on the total quantity of lots of different types of items, that had something in comon? Like there was a limit on how much fruit she could bring in, and she had some apples and some bananas?
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Did she have an itemized list of items purchased abroad?yes Was this the yopeish "document" we were talking about earlier? yope!!

Did she read off the list to the customs official? no Did she read off all the items on the list? no Did she show the customs official part of the list? see next answer The whole list? yes Was the list in a language the customs official could understand accurately? yes

The yesish "was the item only taxable if it was a certain quantity or more":

- Was there only one relevant item, just in a large quantity? no
- Was the limit on "quantity" not a number of items yes, but something like weight? not weight or volume? not volume
- Was the limit on the total quantity of lots of different types of items, that had something in comon? noish Like there was a limit on how much fruit she could bring in, and she had some apples and some bananas? no
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is contraband relevant? cuban?
is the fine for declaring the wrong amount relevant?
doesn't the declarations statement say that you will be taxed for any declarations exceeding the sum of $1,000.00?
the declaration form wants you to itemize each purchase.. and list the price in USD.. which would take some math if you are converting currencies... is this her laziness?
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Did she do something to mess with the quantities like list her massive stack of DVDs as 1 (box) instead of 100 individual DVDs? Were they bootleg DVDs? Something else that you're only supposed to have 1 of? Or else they assume you're going to sell them in the states?
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is contraband relevant? no cuban? no
is the fine for declaring the wrong amount relevant? no
doesn't the declarations statement say that you will be taxed for any declarations exceeding the sum of $1,000.00? yes
the declaration form wants you to itemize each purchase.. and list the price in USD.. which would take some math if you are converting currencies... is this her laziness? part of it but not all of it
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Did she do something to mess with the quantities like list her massive stack of DVDs as 1 (box) instead of 100 individual DVDs? no Were they bootleg DVDs? no--she was completely honest & aboveboard Something else that you're only supposed to have 1 of? no Or else they assume you're going to sell them in the states? no
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If she was completely honest, does this mean that she went back and paid her customs duty later?
Or did she never find out about her mistake?
Is it relevant that you will be taxed for any declarations exceeding the sum of $1000?
Did she have goods whose value exceeded $1000? Did she know this?
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If she was completely honest, does this mean that she went back and paid her customs duty later? no
Or did she never find out about her mistake? She knew what she was doing, but it wasn't exactly a mistake. She told the customs officer she was leaving some information out. Find out what!!!!!!!
Is it relevant that you will be taxed for any declarations exceeding the sum of $1000? yes
Did she have goods whose value exceeded $1000? yes Did she know this? yes, & she told the customs official this
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She honestly showed him the list she had made, but obviously the fact that she wasn't charged means that the list did not communicate the correct quantity to the official, right?

Was she lazy in the way she wrote the list? Maybe she used a short-hand of some kind? She shortened the numbers somehow, making the official assume it was a lot less than it actually was?
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Hmm, re-read some of the previous answers just now, so sorry for the irrelevant guess...

Did she say off-handedly that she hadn't writted down a few of the items, but the official, pleased at her honesty, let her off? But in fact, those 'few' items would have cost her customs of over a 1000$?
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If she hadn't saved the money, would she have paid it in fees? taxes? cost of goods?
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Was she carrying foreign money? Bills/notes? Is that the "document" of sorts? Was she carrying more currency than she should have been allowed to take into the states? Was she not sure of the exchange rate and thus put down exactly what she had? I.e. 500 british pounds, which would more than double if converted to dollars?
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She honestly showed him the list she had made yes, but obviously the fact that she wasn't charged means that the list did not communicate the correct quantity to the official, right? yope

Was she lazy in the way she wrote the list? yes Maybe she used a short-hand of some kind? She shortened the numbers somehow, making the official assume it was a lot less than it actually was? no
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Hmm, re-read some of the previous answers just now, so sorry for the irrelevant guess...

Did she say off-handedly that she hadn't writted down a few of the items, no but the official, pleased at her honesty, let her off?yesish But in fact, those 'few' items would have cost her customs of over a 1000$? sher omitted no items she had bought
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If she hadn't saved the money, would she have paid it in fees? taxes? cost of goods? custoims duties
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Was she carrying foreign money? irrel Bills/notes? irrel Is that the "document" of sorts? noWas she carrying more currency than she should have been allowed to take into the states? no Was she not sure of the exchange rate and thus put down exactly what she had? no I.e. 500 british pounds, which would more than double if converted to dollars? no
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was the information she left out something to do with the weight of the items? quantity? material they were made from? size?
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was the information she left out something to do with the weight of the items? quantity? material they were made from? size? no to all
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HINT: The 3 crucial facts that you've established are as follows: Kana accurately listed every the price of each item she bought. She bought MANY items (the list was 5 pp., in fact) She is lazy.Now--please--SOLVE IT!!!!!!!
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I'm jumping in here, so apologies if these questions have already been answered.
Did she not bother to work out the total?
Did she write down the price of everything, but not what the item actually was? If the list had been much shorter, would her laziness not have been relevant?
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Did she write the price of an individual item but not the total based on how many she bought?
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Enjay (Enjay)
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Post Number: 671
Registered: 4-2007

Posted on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 9:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
I'm jumping in here, so apologies if these questions have already been answered.
Did she not bother to work out the total? yes!!!
Did she write down the price of everything, but not what the item actually was? no If the list had been much shorter, would her laziness not have been relevant? yes

********SPOILER*********** This is a true story about an extravagent & lazy, but honest person, who when abroad, bought so much clothing, jewelry, horsehold ornaments, & books that her scrupulously itemized list took up 5 pages & took her all afternoon to write up. She didn't have a calculator with her & she couldn't face the prospect of adding up over 50 prices so she didn't. At customs, the following discussion ensued:
Customs official: What's the total?
K: I'm sorry; I didn't add it up.
CO: Make an estimate.
K: At least $5000. Maybe over $6000.
CO: How much was the most expensive item?
K: About $430 in American money.
CO (after looking unenthusiastically at the 5-page itemized list): Oh, the hell with it.Welcome home!
And she waved Kana through!!. Thanks for sticking with it, everyone, & for solving it Enjay, & please direct your laser-minds to my new puzzle you-know-where

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