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Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 8:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I had only one major problem during my stay in South Korea this summer. Although I thought I was describing the problem in a literal, matter-of-fact way, several people who knew nothing about Korea correctly objected that it was impossible to have that particular problem. How come??
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a problem doing something?
a problem communicating something?
a problem involving other people?
was it one large problem?
or the same problem recurring often?
was the problem ever fixed while in Korea?
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does the description problem have anything to do with korean words? or customs which are difficult to translate? impossible to accurately translate? into english?

do the people to whom you are trying to describe the problem know all the relevant facts?
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a problem doing something? yesish
a problem communicating something? no
a problem involving other people? npoish
was it one large problem? yes
or the same problem recurring often? yesish
was the problem ever fixed while in Korea? yes
Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
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does the description problem have anything to do with korean words? no or customs which are difficult to translate? no impossible to accurately translate? into english? no

do the people to whom you are trying to describe the problem know all the relevant facts? yes
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LoL, you notice the ads on this page are about Korea?

In the "Matter of fact" way, did you use hyberbole, metaphor, exaggeration?
Nimue (Nimue)
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LoL, you notice the ads on this page are about Korea? not till you pointed it out!!

In the "Matter of fact" way, did you use hyberboleno, metaphor no, exaggeration apparently, but not intentionally?
Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
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was your problem something to do with ..
a physical action?
a daily need?
travel process?
accomodations?
work?
leisure?
daily routine?
dining?
speaking a language?
Korean customs?
Korean law?
other law?
electricity?
driving?
transportation?
money?
communication?
phone?
email?
television?
clothing?
shopping?
hygiene?
medical?

did you solve the problem by yourself?
did you need help to solve the problem?
help from one person?
was there a new situation from which a problem developed?
could the situation have happened at home?
Nimue (Nimue)
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was your problem something to do with ..
a physical action? yope
a daily need? yes
travel process? yesish
accomodations? no
work? yesish
leisure? yesish
daily routine? yes
dining? no
speaking a language? no
Korean customs? no
Korean law? no
other law? no
electricity? no
driving? no
transportation? no
money? no
communication? no
phone? no
email? no
television? no
clothing? no
shopping? no
hygiene? no
medical? noish

did you solve the problem by yourself? yope
did you need help to solve the problem?yope
help from one person? no
was there a new situation from which a problem developed? yes
could the situation have happened at home? noish
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Was it impossible to have this particular problem in Korea? Anywhere in the world?
Did you read something which helped you solve the problem?
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was it something to do with commuting?
did you solve the problem by buying something? paying for something? by acquiring information?

did something unexpected happen to you? expected?
did you need medical attention?
was your well-being relevant?
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Was it impossible to have this particular problem in Korea? yes Anywhere in the world? yes
Did you read something which helped you solve the problem? no
Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
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was it something to do with commuting? yes
did you solve the problem by buying something? no paying for something? no by acquiring information? no

did something unexpected happen to you? yope expected? yope
did you need medical attention? no
was your well-being relevant? yes
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Are seat belts relevant? Something to do with identification while travelling? Was the commute by Train? Bus? Tube? Taxi? other?
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Are seat belts relevant? no Something to do with identification while travelling? no Was the commute by Train? no Bus? no Tube? no Taxi? no other? yes
Suido (Suido)
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commuting on foot?
walking?
running?

or using a vehicle?
cycling?
motorised?
motorbike?
car?
if vehicle; were you the driver?
or a passenger?
Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
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was it by ferry? rickshaw? pedicab?
was your safety an issue?
health at risk?
initially, did something unexpected happen to you?
Nimue (Nimue)
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commuting on foot? no
walking no
running? no

or using a vehicle?yes
cycling? no
motorised? no
motorbike? no
car? no
if vehicle; were you the driver? no
or a passenger? yes
Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
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was it by ferry? no rickshaw? no pedicab? no
was your safety an issue? no
health at risk? no

initially, did something unexpected happen to you? no
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was it a tram? were there too many people in the vehicle? was the vehicle involved in an accident?
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did the vehicle travel on land?

it's not motorised -
it doesn't use any form of electric/fuel powered motor?
is it pulled by animals? humans?
it it pushed by animals? humans?

just saw this in your response to Sixtyeights 500th post:
transportation? no
is that correct?
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Suido (Suido)
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did the vehicle travel on land? no

it's not motorised - it is motorized
it doesn't use any form of electric/fuel powered motor? see above
is it pulled by animals? no humans? no
it it pushed by animals? no humans? no

just saw this in your response to Sixtyeights 500th post:
transportation? no
is that correct? NO THAT WAS A BLOOOOOOOPERRRRRRR
Suido (Suido)
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Nimue, tut tut, revealing two bloopers in one post:

or using a vehicle?yes
cycling? no
motorised?no

it's not motorised - it is motorized



does it travel on land? on water? in the air?
does it have wheels?
is it a truck?
is it a van?
do you sit while you are a passenger?
stand?
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Nimue, tut tut, revealing two bloopers in one post: Why, thank you for your gracious reaction

or using a vehicle?yes
cycling? no
motorised?no

it's not motorised - it is motorized it is!!


does it travel on land? noish on water? yes in the air? yes--it's an airplane!!
does it have wheels? I think so
is it a truck?no
is it a van? no
do you sit while you are a passenger? yes
stand? no
Nimue (Nimue)
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HINT: Find out the particular instance of air travel I am referring to
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Err, did nature call?
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Err, did nature call? No, I did not need to go where the Queen goes alone
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were you flying to Korea?
From Korea?
an internal flight?
to a country other than your own and Korea?
it travels on water - a seaplane?
did you get seasick on a plane when the plane landed on water?
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were you flying to Korea? yes
From Korea? no
an internal flight? no
to a country other than your own and Korea? no
it travels on water - a seaplane? irrel
did you get seasick on a plane when the plane landed on water? no
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is your visa relevant? Your reason for going to Korea?
Did you have trouble before you landed? Before you took off? Did everyone else on the plane have the same problem as you? Anyone else?
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is your visa relevant?no Your reason for going to Korea? noish
Did you have trouble before you landed? no Before you took off? no Did everyone else on the plane have the same problem as you?very unlikely Anyone else? I don't know but probably
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Was your flight route relevent: did you fly over North Korea?
Was an overly-enthusiastic imagination a relevent factor?
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Was your flight route relevent no: did you fly over North Korea? irrel
Was an overly-enthusiastic imagination a relevent factor? no
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Is it relevant what sort of airplane you were flying in? Commercial? Private? Is it relevant what the name of the airline was?

Was your problem impossible because you weren't in any country, but international airspace?
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Is it relevant what sort of airplane you were flying in? no Commercial? irrelPrivate? irrel Is it relevant what the name of the airline was? no

Was your problem impossible because you weren't in any country, but international airspace? no
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Think about a frequent problem travelers face.
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Lost Baggage?
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Lost Baggage? no
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delays?
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Jetlag? Are any time differences relevant?
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delays?see below
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Jetlag?YES!! Are any time differences relevant? YES!! SO WHAT IMPOSSIBLE CLAIM DID I MAKE???
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That you'd time-traveled? Taken a journey for a net negative amount of time?
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Something like "I left two hours before I set out"? "I feel like it's yesterday morning"? Should we find out the time difference between Korea and where you live?
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Sorry, in that previous post I meant to say "I arrived two hours before I left"
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That you'd time-traveled? no Taken a journey for a net negative amount of time? no
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Something like "I left two hours before I set out"? no "I feel like it's yesterday morning"? no Should we find out the time difference between Korea and where you live? Yes & it's 13 hours. Now solve the puzzle!!!!!
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Relevant that that is more than 12 hours? So there is a difference of more than a day? Do you arrive the day before you set off? Or the day afetr you should arrive? Did yo feel like it was 6 in the morning when it was 6 at night? Sorry...thinking about time differences always gets me confused...maybe someone with a clearer head at this time of night could help solve this one!
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This time of night?!??! It's only 14:08! (:

It's 13 hours earlier than Maine, right? So youR days and nights were reversed? You wanted to sleep during the day and be awake all night? Vice-versa?
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Relevant that that is more than 12 hours? yes So there is a difference of more than a day? no Do you arrive the day before you set off?yes Or the day afetr you should arrive? no Did yo feel like it was 6 in the morning when it was 6 at night? yes Sorry...thinking about time differences always gets me confused...maybe someone with a clearer head at this time of night could help solve this one!
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This time of night?!??! It's only 14:08! (:

It's 13 hours earlier than Maine, right? no, it's 13 hours later in Seoul than in Maine (or Rhode Island, where I live) So youR days and nights were reversed? yes You wanted to sleep during the day and be awake all night? yes Vice-versa? ditto
HINT: You're all so near & yet so far--you keep veering away from the crucial point!!
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Maybe it's 14:08 where YOU live...but here I go again, getting all confused :-)
So, just to clear this up, was the impossibility in what you said thatit sounded like you had the ability to time travel? Did the people you were talking to not know about the time difference? Was the problem tyou told them about feeling jetlagged? Feeling like days and nights werwe reversed?
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Maybe it's 14:08 where YOU live...but here I go again, getting all confused :-)
So, just to clear this up, was the impossibility in what you said thatit sounded like you had the ability to time travel? no!!!!!Did the people you were talking to not know about the time difference? they knew& they were right in criticizing me Was the problem tyou told them about feeling jetlagged? yes, but I got more specific Feeling like days and nights werwe reversed? ditto
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would your claim have been possible if you'd made the journey in the other direction?
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(by which, of course, I mean flown from Seoul to Rhode Island, rather than just flying round the world the other way :-))
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would your claim have been possible if you'd made the journey in the other direction? yes
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(by which, of course, I mean flown from Seoul to Rhode Island, rather than just flying round the world the other way :-))Yes. By the way, what are you up to these days, Bentarm? I assume you graduated univ. awhile ago??
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Is the date on which you arrived relevant? What i mean is maybe you left in June but arrived in May? Day of the week relevant?
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I have graduated... twice in fact (A BSc and an MSc), but I'm still at university, just started a PhD in London this week

Is it relevant what time of day you travelled? Overnight? through the day? (actually, I suppose these concepts are pretty meaningless....)
Is it relevant what time of day you left? Morning? evening? afternoon? night? relevant what time of day you arrived? morning? evening? afternoon? night?
Being 13 hours ahead is roughly equivalent to being 11 hours behind... if the international dateline was moved so that Seoul was in fact 11 hours behind, could you have the problem flying from RI to Seoul?

Did you arrive the same day as you left?
On the way back, you could arrive the day before you left - is this relevant?
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I have graduated... twice in fact (A BSc and an MSc), but I'm still at university, just started a PhD in London this week Congratulation!! What's your field??

Is it relevant what time of day you travelled? no Overnight? through the day? (actually, I suppose these concepts are pretty meaningless....)
Is it relevant what time of day you left?no Morning? evening? afternoon? night? relevant what time of day you arrived? no morning? evening? afternoon? night?
Being 13 hours ahead is roughly equivalent to being 11 hours behind... if the international dateline was moved so that Seoul was in fact 11 hours behind, could you have the problem flying from RI to Seoul? yes

Did you arrive the same day as you left? no
On the way back, you could arrive the day before you left - is this relevant? no
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I'm guessing something to do with mathematics, but I could be mistaken.

So your complaint was basically about the time difference and feeling like you should be asleep during the day and awake at night (at least initially), correct? And several people objected to that on logical grounds? Would it have mattered if you had gone from anywhere to anywhere else that was 13 hours ahead?
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I'm guessing something to do with mathematics yes, but I could be mistaken you aren't!!.

So your complaint was basically about the time difference yesand feeling like you should be asleep during the day and awake at night (at least initially), correct? yesish but--you need to get more specificAnd several people objected to that on logical grounds? see previous answer Would it have mattered if you had gone from anywhere to anywhere else that was 13 hours ahead?any pairs of such places would be fine
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So you weren't describing it in a "literal, matter-of-fact way"? Or were you too literal? Was there a different way of interpreting what you said when describing your problem? Your complaint, along the lines of "Because it was 13 hours ahead, the jet lag was terrible"?
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So you weren't describing it in a "literal, matter-of-fact way"?I thought I was., but what I was saying could not be literally true Or were you too literal? Was there a different way of interpreting what you said when describing your problem?yope Your complaint, along the lines of "Because it was 13 hours ahead, the jet lag was terrible"? You're ORT, but you need to find out more precisely what I said
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That's where I'm headed, just waiting on the Aha! moment, so in the meantime I plod on...

Were you somehow implying that night became day and/or vice versa? Were the objecting folks being pedantic?
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That's where I'm headed, just waiting on the Aha! moment, so in the meantime I plod on...

Were you somehow implying that night became day and/or vice versa? noWere the objecting folks being pedantic? no
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So you arrived the day after you left? Is this relevant?
Did you say anything about morning? evening? Is it relevant how long the flight took? Did you land at about the same time as you set off, but a day later?
Did you say something that implied the flight had taken no time at all?
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Oh - the title of my research grant is "Approximate Counting in Constraint Satisfaction Problems". It's an area which sort of combines combinatorics, logic and computability, if that is in any way enlightening
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So you arrived the day after you left? no Is this relevant? yope
Did you say anything about morning? no evening? no Is it relevant how long the flight took? noishDid you land at about the same time as you set off, but a day later? no
Did you say something that implied the flight had taken no time at all? no
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Oh - the title of my research grant is "Approximate Counting in Constraint Satisfaction Problems". It's an area which sort of combines combinatorics, logic and computability, if that is in any way enlightening To me?? You're kidding, right??
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If you didn't arrive the same day as you left, and you didn't arrive the day after you left, you must have arrive two days later right? relevant?
(you can't arrive in Korea the day before you left Rhode Island - in Korea now it's Tuesday morning (about 5, I think) and in Rhode Island now it's still Monday afternoon. (about 4?))
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If you didn't arrive the same day as you left, and you didn't arrive the day after you left, you must have arrive two days later right? yes relevant? yope
(you can't arrive in Korea the day before you left Rhode Island - in Korea now it's Tuesday morning (about 5, I think) and in Rhode Island now it's still Monday afternoon. (about 4?)) That's right
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So presumably you left just before midnight and arrived just after midnight...

Did you sleep on the plane? relevant?
If you left Seoul just before midnight and arrived in RI just after midnight the day after (ie, the journey had ostensibly taken about 10 minutes or so) could you have had the problem you claimed to have?
If you'd made that journey but leaving at midday and landing just after midday?
In your statement, did you mention the length of the journey? The time it had seemingly taken? Did you mention what time it was when you left? what time it was when you landed? What day it was when you left? What day it was when you landed?
I can't remember if this has been asked... was the length of the journey relevant? presumably something more than 11 hours...
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So presumably you left just before midnight and arrived just after midnight...

Did you sleep on the plane? relevant?
If you left Seoul just before midnight and arrived in RI just after midnight the day after (ie, the journey had ostensibly taken about 10 minutes or so) could you have had the problem you claimed to have?
If you'd made that journey but leaving at midday and landing just after midday?
In your statement, did you mention the length of the journey?noish The time it had seemingly taken? no Did you mention what time it was when you left? no what time it was when you landed? no What day it was when you left? no What day it was when you landed? no
I can't remember if this has been asked... was the length of the journey relevant?only the time difference is relevant presumably something more than 11 hours
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If you were "beamed up" instead of flown, would the same "impossible problem" exist?

If you had used "military time" in your problem description, would that have affected the clarity of the statement?

did your statement contain.. "I was 13 hours ahead?" "but.."? "I gained" "I lost"

anything like the statement "it was tomorrow"? a mix of tenses? mathematical inequality?
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If you were "beamed up" instead of flown, would the same "impossible problem" exist?

If you had used "military time" in your problem description, would that have affected the clarity of the statement? no

did your statement contain.. "I was 13 hours ahead?" "but.."? No, buit it dids contain '13'--HINT!!!!!!"I gained" no"I lost" no

anything like the statement "it was tomorrow"? no a mix of tenses? no mathematical inequality? no
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so you were describing your jet lag problem using the word 13 which represents the hours of time difference between your home and Korea.

did you say 13 hours? 13 hour difference?
would you have had the same problem if the difference was 12 hours?
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so you were describing your jet lag problem using the word 13 which represents the hours of time difference between your home and Korea. yes

did you say 13 hours? yes 13 hour difference? no
would you have had the same problem if the difference was 12 hours? no
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Anything to do with the number 13 being unlucky?
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Anything to do with the number 13 being unlucky? no. By the way, 13 is not unlucky in Korea. 4 is
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Was the problem only related to the sleep cycle alteration aspect of jetlag? OR some other symptoms?

would you have had the same problem if the difference was 12 hours? no

But you still maintain that it was impossible to have that problem in the first place. Correct?

Could you also answer the following questions that I have found you have missed of other users in previous posts pls:

If you were "beamed up" instead of flown, would the same "impossible problem" exist?

Did you sleep on the plane? relevant?
If you left Seoul just before midnight and arrived in RI just after midnight the day after (ie, the journey had ostensibly taken about 10 minutes or so) could you have had the problem you claimed to have?
If you'd made that journey but leaving at midday and landing just after midday?

In your statement, did you mention the length of the journey?noish

Is the -ish because you could have only had the problem if you had travelled there by plane?

Was it to do with problems you were facing in your own sleep cycle, such as sleep deprivation or tiredness during the day? Or something related to sleep? Say an alarm clock? Maybe you made a claim about your watch?

This is a stupid guess, but maybe you have a standard 12 hour watch, and you claimed it was annoying to twist the dial 13 whole cycles, when all you needed to do was twist it once.
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Was the problem only related to the sleep cycle alteration aspect of jetlag? irrel OR some other symptoms? irrel as long as it's jetlag

would you have had the same problem if the difference was 12 hours? no

But you still maintain that it was impossible to have that problem in the first place. Correct? yes. THe point is that the puzzle wouldn't work if the time difference were 12 hours}

Could you also answer the following questions that I have found you have missed of other users in previous posts pls:

If you were "beamed up" instead of flown, would the same "impossible problem" exist? yes

Did you sleep on the plane? irrel relevant? no
If you left Seoul just before midnight and arrived in RI just after midnight the day after (ie, the journey had ostensibly taken about 10 minutes or so) could you have had the problem you claimed to have? no
If you'd made that journey but leaving at midday and landing just after midday? no

In your statement, did you mention the length of the journey?noish

Is the -ish because you could have only had the problem if you had travelled there by plane? No--it's because I mentioned the time difference, which is related to the distance & hence to the lenght of the journey

Was it to do with problems you were facing in your own sleep cycle, such as sleep deprivation or tiredness during the day? irrel Or something related to sleep? ditto Say an alarm clock? no Maybe you made a claim about your watch? no

This is a stupid guess, but maybe you have a standard 12 hour watch, and you claimed it was annoying to twist the dial 13 whole cycles, when all you needed to do was twist it once. no
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Would the puzzle work if the time difference was 14 hours? 20 hours? 13 hours and 1 minute (hypothetically)? 12 hours and 59 minutes?
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Would the puzzle work if the time difference was 14 hours? yes 20 hours? no 13 hours and 1 minute (hypothetically)? yes 12 hours and 59 minutes? yes
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Is it relevant that 13 hours is over half a day? That it's only just over half a day?
That if you wait 13 hours you've gone from day to night? (in most places)
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Is it relevant that 13 hours is over half a day? yes That it's only just over half a day? yes
That if you wait 13 hours you've gone from day to night? (in most places) noish
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so can this be spoyled with a single sentence?
did the statement start with "13 hours"?
did it contain "13 hours is"?
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so can this be spoyled with a single sentence? yes
did the statement start with "13 hours"?It could be phrased that way, but that would be an awkward phrasing)
did it contain "13 hours is" ditto
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so then it would sound natural to end with "13 hours"?
in the statement did you mention something about jet lag? is it a complaint?
did you say "I had"? "I was"?
when you describe the problem, does the listener "do math"?
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haven't really been checking previous answers, so sorry if I repeat anything, but is there something about arriving before you left? i.e. if you left at 2 and arrived at 1?
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Did you mention the fact that the time difference was more than half a day?
Did you mention something about it seeming to take more than half a day to get there?
Just to clarify, it would have been possible to have this particular problem going from Seoul to RI, right? So that means it's relevant not just that you moved the clock 13 hours, but that you had to move it 13 hours forward?
Did what you say involve the concept of "losing" those 13 hours?
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so then it would sound natural to end with "13 hours"? That's possible, but there's an even more natural phrasing that uses'13 hours' but doesn't end with it
in the statement did you mention something about jet lag? yes is it a complaint? yes
did you say "I had"? no "I was"? no
when you describe the problem, does the listener "do math"? yesish
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haven't really been checking previous answers, so sorry if I repeat anything, but is there something about arriving before you left? no i.e. if you left at 2 and arrived at 1? no
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Did you mention the fact that the time difference was more than half a day?yope
Did you mention something about it seeming to take more than half a day to get there?no
Just to clarify, it would have been possible to have this particular problem going from Seoul to RI, right?no. No one could EVER have this partticular problem So that means it's relevant not just that you moved the clock 13 hours, but that you had to move it 13 hours forward?no
Did what you say involve the concept of "losing" those 13 hours? no
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So if you'd had to move the clock back 13 hours, might you still have phrased your complaint in broadly the same way? and would it have been wrong for approximately the same reason?
When it is pointed out, is it immediately obvious that this problem is impossible to have? Or might it take some working out?

Might you have accidentally said what you said replacing "13 hours" with "11 hours" (if you'd been going to somewhere with an 11 hour time difference)?
Did you somehow imply that you'd actually lost a whole day? which is impossible because it would involve going all the way around the world, which would of course result in no jet lag at all?
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Did you even have to reset your clock? Did you fly for 13 hours and not even have to reset your clock? (the time your clock moved forward balanced with the time you moved backward? Do you have an analog watch?)

Is the more natural phrase "over half a day?" Half a day? Something else? Is it relevant?
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So if you'd had to move the clock back 13 hours, might you still have phrased your complaint in broadly the same way? yes and would it have been wrong for approximately the same reason? yes
When it is pointed out, is it immediately obvious that this problem is impossible to have? yes Or might it take some working out? no

Might you have accidentally said what you said replacing "13 hours" with "11 hours" (if you'd been going to somewhere with an 11 hour time difference)? the puzzle wouldn't work if I said '11 hours'
Did you somehow imply that you'd actually lost a whole day? no which is impossible because it would involve going all the way around the world, which would of course result in no jet lag at all? no
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Did you even have to reset your clock? yes Did you fly for 13 hours and not even have to reset your clock? no(the time your clock moved forward balanced with the time you moved backward? no Do you have an analog watch?irrel

Is the more natural phrase "over half a day?" no Half a day? no Something else? yes Is it relevant? yes
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Did you say something along the lines of...

"I made time."?
"I lost time."?
"I chased the sun."?
"I spent..." ?
"...x hours on a plane..."?
"...set my watch back 13 hours..."?
"...and all I got was this lousy T-shirt."?
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Did you say something along the lines of...

"I made time."?
"I lost time."?
"I chased the sun."?
"I spent..." ?
"...x hours on a plane..."?
"...set my watch back 13 hours..."?
"...and all I got was this lousy T-shirt."? None of the above!!
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Why not finish this one? Because I'm lost! Maybe a recap would help?

Did you fly across the international dateline into yesterday? Did that make the 13 hour time difference much more significant? I.e. I got on a plane and before I knew it, it was last week?
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Did you somehow imply that 13 hours was shorter than half a day?
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Why not finish this one? Because I'm lost! Maybe a recap would help?

Did you fly across the international dateline into yesterday? no Did that make the 13 hour time difference much more significant? I.e. I got on a plane and before I knew it, it was last week? no
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Did you somehow imply that 13 hours was shorter than half a day? no
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Ok... rereading comments...

You had jetlag... did you have some sort of whirlwind tour of Korea?... did something occur that made it impossible for you to sleep for several days on end? Did you claim you had stayed awake for 4 days straight and didn't hallucinate?

Did the impossible claim involve... amount of time you were awake? Something to do with your eating cycle? Amount of time you traveled? The time you got somewhere?
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Ok... rereading comments...

You had jetlag... did you have some sort of whirlwind tour of Korea? No. I flew there, sprend 6 1/2 weeks there & flew back... did something occur that made it impossible for you to sleep for several days on end? no Did you claim you had stayed awake for 4 days straight and didn't hallucinate? no

Did the impossible claim involve... amount of time you were awake? no Something to do with your eating cycle? no Amount of time you traveled? no The time you got somewhere? no
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Did you experience no jetlag AT ALL???
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Would other people expect the jetlag to be only be 11 hours if you went around the world, the opposite way? Did you travel east-west or vice versa, or N-S?
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Did you experience no jetlag AT ALL??? Unfortunately, no (tpo put it mildly!!
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Would other people expect the jetlag to be only be 11 hours if you went around the world, the opposite way? yes Did you travel east-west or vice versawest-east, or N-S? no
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Is it relevant that you travelled west-east?
Oh - presumably you can't actually experience "13 hours worth" of jetlag, as you've actually only moved 11 hours away from whatever time you started off on, is this relevant?
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Is it relevant that you travelled west-east? see below
Oh - presumably you can't actually experience "13 hours worth" of jetlag, as you've actually only moved 11 hours away from whatever time you started off on, is this relevant? YES!!! FINALLY!!!!!!

The time difference bewteen Rhode Island & Seoul is 13 hours & I had a terrible problem with jet lag, lasting over 2 weeks. I complained continually that i was suffering from 13 hours jet lag until, of course, someone pointed out that there's no such thing as more than 12 hours jet lag. THanks for sticking with it, everyone, & for solving it, Bentarm, but why on earth did it take so much longer than many of my puzzles I considered much harder? Anyone, there's a new one awaiting you--guess where.
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***********SPOILER ***********
SEE PREVIOUS POSTING
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Finally! I too have no idea why that took so long... I guess we were all looking for something more complicated when the answer was right there in just about every post!

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